Gardner to Tampa?
 

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[b]TAMPA - [/b]The Bucs are pretty excited about this year's draft, and with 11 picks - including four in the top 100 - they should be.


The 11 picks are the most the Bucs have had since 1993, but no one should be surprised if they try to parlay at least one of those picks into something other than an untried prospect.

With picks in each of the first five rounds and two each in the sixth and seventh, the Bucs appear to have the arsenal and flexibility to make a trade for a proven NFL commodity.

All they need is a willing partner, and one already might have surfaced in the Washington Redskins.

The Redskins have made it clear in recent weeks they are looking to part with receiver Rod Gardner. They reportedly are seeking a middle-round pick in return, and the Bucs have plenty of those.

The Bucs also have a need for a player of Gardner's talents. Though he has been inconsistent in terms of production, Gardner has good hands and the speed to stretch defenses.

He might not be an ideal fit in Coach Jon Gruden's system, because he tends to run sloppy short and intermediate routes, but he would be an upgrade over Tim Brown and Charles Lee.

The Bucs' lone concern in making such a trade might be salary. Gardner is slated to make $1.45 million next season, but that probably will prove to be less than they would have to pay for Raiders projected free agent Jerry Porter. Besides, it's beginning to look as though Porter won't hit the market. The Raiders already have made him an offer, and Porter is talking as if he doesn't want to leave Oakland.

Whoever wrote that says Gardner has good hands!!*%$#&$

[QUOTE=celts32]Whoever wrote that says Gardner has good hands!!*%$#&$[/QUOTE]

Sssssssshhhhhhhhushh! Let em believe that and we might just be able to get a good deal for him!

hopefully they dont investigate that too much.

I'm going to agree with this guy. Gardner has made some dynamite catches so I don't think his hands are necessarily an issue.

The problem is that he seems to lose focus on the easy throws. Why that is I don't know, but as many of us said many times here-throw it to Gardner and he drops it, throw it over his head and to his left with two defenders on him and he'll grab it one-handed.

I'd like to see a 3rd rounder for him. Otherwise, I'd say keep him.

All you have to do with Gardner is throw it to a spot where he shouldn't catch it, then he will make a circus catch. But if you throw it right on the numbers he will get confused and it will bobble out of his hands.

[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]I'd like to see a 3rd rounder for him. Otherwise, I'd say keep him.[/QUOTE]

I'll buy that. If we keep him for one more season, and then just let him walk for free, it wont bother me. For some reason, I have a feeling he's going to have a good year next season, just because its a contract year. If we can get a 3rd or maybe even a low 4th, I'd say take it. Otherwise, just let him fart around as our 3rd wideout at move on.

A third would be the least that I would want for him, preferably a second. Hes cheap for one more year, and its a contract year. He could be a great third receiver, and if we could get someone else to be teh number two. Last thing I want is for us to get rid of him for nothing then have him blow up and put up huge numbers, he is capable of it, hes a good mold for a receiver

Yeah, if the Skins can score at least a third rounder, then ditch Gardner....

I'd take a 3rd rounder for RG in a heartbeat

I say we cut bait with this guy no matter what the pick, Gardner is everything we are trying to get away from under Gibb's, LOSER! I don't care who replaces him but we have to head in a different direction, I don't see Tampa going after him they already have a similar reciever in Clayton and he has smarts, and can catch, everything gardner is not.

[QUOTE=aehs77]hopefully they dont investigate that too much.[/QUOTE]

Maybe they will use the same investigative team as the one we used to decide on Brunnel.:D

For those who are now (because we have an alleged suitor) trying to say they "won't take anything less than [i]X[/i]" for Rod Gardner, please use this site's search function to remind yourselves how wildly inconsistent he has been in uniform. Then search for some of his "off-the-field" issues (lost cars, wild social life) has affected him and his teammates (Sean Taylor's DUI arrest came after leaving Gardner's party). Look at the difference in attitude between he and Coles (who rushed back from an offseason procedure because he wanted to practice catching balls thrown by a left-hander). Think about how much value he will have next year if we decide to let him leave (none), and think about the odds of him living up to the position he was drafted - 17th overall. We should consider ourselves lucky if a team will give us a third rounder for him, because if this team traded our third rounder for a WR who caught 50 balls last year and had double digit drops, whose numbers have declined for the last three years, and whose off the field life includes denying to the police and media that he lost his car (even though the police found it in a bad neighborhood), you would not only be out to kill Vinnie Cerrato and Dan Snyder, but be actively searching for Alzheimer meds for Coach Gibbs.

Rod isn't THAT bad. He had maybe 5 more drops than Coles this year. He missed some easy ones, but who made the spectacular catches? Gardner. They just need a WR coach to work with him on his concentration. I don't seem to remember him dropping this many balls last year with a different WR coach. He has they physical gifts to be a great receiver, concentration can be hard for anyone. A lot of receivers take a while to get into their groove, he's still relatively young and wouldn't be suprised if he went on the have a big career. Not sure if it'll be in Washington or not.

You're right Daseal, he isn't all that bad, but he isn't all that great either.

What it comes down to is it's hard to see him in our long range plans here, so we might as well try to get something for him while we can. He's been pretty average the last two years, I think it's time to give someone else a shot at the #2 spot and move on from 50/50.

I think Gardner would probably fair better in more of a pass-happy offense...such as the one in Indy. Possibly the more you throw to him, the better he is....and he had such a great season in his rookie season.

I think he has potiential, but I agree Matty, I think we need to move away from 50/50 and have that percentage up to being more consistant. As run oriented as this offense is, when we do pass, the receivers are going to have to realize that when they get the opportunity..better make good with it.

[QUOTE=skinsguy]I think Gardner would probably fair better in more of a pass-happy offense...such as the one in Indy. Possibly the more you throw to him, the better he is....and he had such a great season in his rookie season.

I think he has potiential, but I agree Matty, I think we need to move away from 50/50 and have that percentage up to being more consistant. As run oriented as this offense is, when we do pass, the receivers are going to have to realize that when they get the opportunity..better make good with it.[/QUOTE]
He was in a pass happy offense under Spurrier, and in his second year in the system, he had 59 catches. This had a lot to do with becoming the #2 receiver in the offense (thanks to the addition of Coles), but he would have been able to justify more balls being thrown his way if he held onto them.

I'm not trying to say that Rod isn't talented, or that he doesn't have a lot to give a team. In fact, he could be the perfect receiver for this offense... if he had James Thrash's focus and work ethic. He doesn't. The question isn't "Is he any good?", but rather "Is he in your long term plans for the Redskins?" My contention is that he shouldn't be, and whatever value we can get for him now - with his slot going to someone with a future in the franchise - is better than not getting anything for him after next year, and his playing time curtailing the development of a younger player.

Rod isn't known for running great routes, until he masters that he's not going to be much better than what we've already seen, regardless of the style of offense he plays in. There's a reason he disappears for long stretches of time.

A WR that drops the easy passes is just not dependable. I would rather have a consistent guy who moves the chains than a guy who is good for one acrobatic great play every few weeks and nothing inbetween. If the Redskins get a 3rd rounder from Tampa they should wear a ski mask during the transaction. I will take any pick Tampa feels like parting with. It's time to move on from Rod Gardner...

I completely agree... I mean we need someone who can make the catch when the ball hits them in the hands. Not to say Gardener doesn't have skills, he just doesn't have the type of skills the Redskins need. If you would compare the two, making a great catch isn't anywhere NEAR as game-changing as getting a first down. He dropped a LOT of first down passes this year.

If I was in the Skins front office and somebody called to offer a 3rd rounder for RG, before they could even finish the sentence I would say DEAL!

They could then package the 3rd rounders to move up to the 2nd, or stay put and use those selections.

I have a draft question. Does anyone who really follows the draft stuff think that David Pollack could be a 2nd round draft pick?

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I have a draft question. Does anyone who really follows the draft stuff think that David Pollack could be a 2nd round draft pick?[/QUOTE]

Not from what I've heard. Teams are always looking for the next beast on the d-line. It's easily the second most coveted playmaking position next to quarterback. I'd be surprised if 32 teams passed on him in the first round.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]If I was in the Skins front office and somebody called to offer a 3rd rounder for RG, before they could even finish the sentence I would say DEAL!

They could then package the 3rd rounders to move up to the 2nd, or stay put and use those selections.[/QUOTE]


:laughing2 Gardner will burn you everytime the second you count on him your done, that's why I say do what ever we have to do to get rid of him, as you said Matty I would take a 3rd and run like the wind on that one, but I would get rid of him for a bag of ball's if I had to.

*of topic*, but dosent deserve its own thread.

I'm snowed in basically today, so I decided to watch the Redskins/Bucs game from this year. I forgot, but what happened to Kennyatta Jones. The announcers are raving about him during the game,and he plays pretty well, what happend there? I forgot.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]*of topic*, but dosent deserve its own thread.

I'm snowed in basically today, so I decided to watch the Redskins/Bucs game from this year. I forgot, but what happened to Kennyatta Jones. The announcers are raving about him during the game,and he plays pretty well, what happend there? I forgot.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=3437&highlight=kenyatta[/url]

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Thanks Smootsmack.... hey, does that second quote in your signature mean "TD Washington Redskins" in espanol?

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Thanks Smootsmack.... hey, does that second quote in your signature mean "TD Washington Redskins" in espanol?[/QUOTE]

nah, it means "Long Live the Warpath"

Check out Trev Walter's latest column, he addresses the Gardner situation

[url="http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?threadid=4531"]The Going Rate for a Bad Gardner[/url]

The Ravens got TO originally for a second rounder... Gardner isn't half the receiver TO is, so in this market I'd say he's a fourth rounder.

I Voted Third But Thats Wishful Thinking

Ivnetop - The 49ers knew he had a clause in his contract so they were trying to get something before he walked. Don't buy that whole TO thing, he was a FA, everyone knew it, but Baltimore figured it was worth a try. Don't judge the TO fiasco with going rate of receivers. TO in an open market would draw 1-2 first rounders and then some.

If the Redskins can get more than a 4th rounder for Gardner I will be very pleasently surprised. I just don't see it.

he's a good player and would excell with right team.