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[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8243c161/article/he-took-his-heart-to-sf-now-rogers-fires-away-at-redskins]NFL.com news: He took his heart to S.F., now Rogers fires away at Redskins[/url]

I don't think he really says much. Just complaining about not getting his contract. His comments about worrying about looking over his shoulder to see who else will start I think is just bitterness. I don't remember him, springs, or hall ever not starting, so I don't see this being 100% accurate. He's probably just exploiting our qb situation now.

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Why is Aaron Rodgers talking about our team?

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Carlos is a punk bitch and that's why I've never liked him, he has always trashed the redskins, the team that gave him the chance at the NFL.. Of course he can talk shit hid team is 8-1 and we r 3-6

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Don't give a shit about Carlos. The guy could have gotten contacts here, but chose his eye sight was fine. He also chose to sit out when he was cleared to play because he didn't want to risk being hurt. He is just mad he didn't get the payday he was expecting. Had he gotten those contacts and concentrated on playing football instead of being in the DC nightlife, then I imagine Snyder and crew would have opened their pockets up big time for him.

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Jeez Los seemed pretty cool in his comments about Snyder's disaster of a franchise. When you consider we let two fantastic secondary players go in the last several years who are now better than ANYONE we have at those respective positions, Los and Ryan Clark, I think it's easy to agree w/ Los' comments.

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While the culture here might not have been the greatest thing for players here, 'Los has no place to talk.

Hey 'Los, if you had caught the damn ball while you were here, we would have paid you. Nobody gives out a second contract based on "potential improvement". They give them out based on past performance, even Albert Haynesworth had two great years we stupidly signed him. You didn' even do [I]that[/I]. You were the same 'ol "pretty good" cover guy who couldn't make a big play when there were PRIME opportunities to do so.

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Gotta agree with Carlos...this place was run into the ground by a couple sh*theads who obviously didnt know sh*t about football ake Danny Boy and Vinny. They made poor personel moves and coaching moves which contributed to an environment of choas. Alotta players here didnt deserve the paychecks they got. Shoulda never let him go, know he's a damn probowler and we are stuck with D Hall and Wilson, both inferior. We deserve the hate sometimes.

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Los was way too inconsistent here, and he has to share in some of that blame. I have no problems with players pointing out flaws with their old teams, but it would be nice if they also acknowledged some of their own when doing so too.

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He was a Redskin.
He didn't do squat as a Redskin.
He should not talk about the Redskins.
Now hes a freak town 49er, he can kiss my ass.

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What we should be pissed about:

1) that he now can actually catch the ball (that last int he got last week was even a difficult catch)

2) not that he says the Skins signed too many FAs, but that he chose to leave a year after the new regime came in & changed things. You can't claim Allen & Shanny are overpaying for FAs & not looking to sign their own. I recall Smootsmack saying several times he thought they were either close to or working on a deal w/Los.

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[quote=Ruhskins;860477]Why is Aaron Rodgers talking about our team?[/quote]

He's that good. Time to lead the Packers to a 9-0 record and analyze our team. Dude's a stud

As for Carlos Rogers his comments are comical. Every team makes decisions to keep some players and get rid of others.

Or maybe Carlos forgot that he's only in San Francisco because the Niners decided to let Nate Clements go

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[quote=Chico23231;860489]Gotta agree with Carlos...this place was run into the ground by a couple sh*theads who obviously didnt know sh*t about football ake Danny Boy and Vinny. They made poor personel moves and coaching moves which contributed to an environment of choas. Alotta players here didnt deserve the paychecks they got. Shoulda never let him go, know he's a damn probowler and we are stuck with D Hall and Wilson, both inferior. We deserve the hate sometimes.[/quote]

If he were so jealous of the other guys getting paid, why was that kick in the 'nads NOT enough to motivate him to do whatever it takes to improve his hands and coverage so that he surpassed those guys? Why did he not bust out with a couple AH-like years in which he looked like a Revis on steroids?

And him afraid of being sat down? Coaches wouldn't sit him for Buchanon or Barnes at all unless he was doing something very, very wrong.

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All Rogers had to do was to hold on to those picks, esp those that hit him in the hands. I think it was two years ago when he could have won a game against the Colts by himself if he holds on to the damn ball.

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[quote=SmootSmack;860493]He's that good. Time to lead the Packers to a 9-0 record and analyze our team. Dude's a stud

As for Carlos Rogers his comments are comical. Every team makes decisions to keep some players and get rid of others.

[B]Or maybe Carlos forgot that he's only in San Francisco because the Niners decided to let Nate Clements go[/B][/quote]

And he's there on a one year deal no less... shouldn't he be pissed at them for not showing him the love coming through the door?

Should be interesting to see come new contract time what the 49ers think his value is vs. what he thinks.

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[quote=Ruhskins;860477]Why is Aaron Rodgers talking about our team?[/quote]

I thought the same thing. I was like, what the hell would Aaron Rodgers know about the Redskins?

Also, on a side note, I really wish CR had gotten his eyes checked here. I liked him except for the fact that he couldn't catch, and it annoys the hell out of me that as soon as he leaves Washington, he gets his eyes checked and is now playing at a great level. What, you couldn't swallow your f'n pride and get your eyes checked here? Screw him.

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[quote=mooby;860500]I thought the same thing. I was like, what the hell would Aaron Rodgers know about the Redskins?

Also, on a side note, I really wish CR had gotten his eyes checked here. I liked him except for the fact that he couldn't catch, and it annoys the hell out of me that as soon as he leaves Washington, he gets his eyes checked and is now playing at a great level. What, you couldn't swallow your f'n pride and get your eyes checked here? Screw him.[/quote]

Even Devin Thomas got his eyes checked while here. Sad.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;860494]If he were so jealous of the other guys getting paid, why was that kick in the 'nads NOT enough to motivate him to do whatever it takes to improve his hands and coverage so that he surpassed those guys? Why did he not bust out with a couple AH-like years in which he looked like a Revis on steroids?

And him afraid of being sat down? Coaches wouldn't sit him for Buchanon or Barnes at all unless he was doing something very, very wrong.[/quote]

With your logic and some others ive read on the thread one question:

Explain D Hall's contract done by our FO please?

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Los was solid. I dont get why there is sudden hate for the man.

alot of us thought he was the better CB over hall or that they atleast complimented each other.

The skins FO didnt make re-signing him a priority.

prior to 2009 Los was entering the last year of his contract, he wanted us to resign him. Instead we choose to ignore him, let him play with no guarantee or future security (if he got a career ending injury he was done) and overpay hall for 8 games of production with us.

Then 2010 was that odd non-collective bargaining agreement season where he should have been a FA but he wasnt eligible b/c of the rule. We choose to again not resign him and make him play with no guarantee or future security. At that point it was obvious to everyone he felt slighted by the skins who didnt make him a remote priority. so he played cautiously in 2010, not wanting to risk injury for a skins franchise who didnt value him and overvalued d hall.

the skins FO yet again failed to recognize and keep their own developed talent and instead choose to overpay for outside flashy "talent" . .

Carlos Rogers had ever right imo to say eff the skins entering the 2010 season. I think shanny and allen would have wanted to keep los over hall but thanks to vinny, we were hog tied to hall and all that coin tied up in the CB position . . for one below average player . .who had been outright released by the raiders . .

the skins messed up yet again. when are they going to properly value their own young talent and not overvalue overhyped FAs? i really hope the current regimes decision on los was b/c of vinnys contract to hall.

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[quote=Chico23231;860508]With your logic and some others ive read on the thread one question:

Explain D Hall's contract done by our FO please?[/quote]

D Hall's contract was ****ing stupid. Same reasons. His past performance was not enough to justify it. But Vinny is like Jerruh: letting someone walk to another team is a crime, even if he's not that good. He probably didn't even bother to bring up DHall's awful half of a season in Oakland in the negotiations.

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[url=http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2010/10/carlos_rogers_got_his_eyes_che.html]D.C. Sports Bog - Carlos Rogers got his eyes checked?[/url]


[quote]"I made a comment a few weeks ago about you might need to get your eyes checked, and people think I was joking," Mitchell told Rogers during Comcast SportsNet's post-game show. "I said that because there was a guy when I played football in college, he never caught the ball, but when he got his eyes checked he begin to catch everything....Do you ever think about something like that?"

[U]"Oh, I have," Rogers said. "There's no problem with those.[/U]"[/quote]


Like I said, he claimed his eye sight was fine.

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[quote=Chico23231;860489]Gotta agree with Carlos...this place was run into the ground by a couple sh*theads who obviously didnt know sh*t about football ake Danny Boy and Vinny. They made poor personel moves and coaching moves which contributed to an environment of choas. Alotta players here didnt deserve the paychecks they got. Shoulda never let him go, know he's a damn probowler and we are stuck with D Hall and Wilson, both inferior. We deserve the hate sometimes.[/quote]

I second that!! He's bitter because Hall was given a huge contract instead of him, that was the writing on the wall that he wasn't going to be kept. I don't care that he dropped balls, at least he could cover and tackle. You can create turn overs and get burned all day or have someone who can prevent catches. Now he can do both while we are stuck with a couple of average guys.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;860478]Carlos is a punk bitch and that's why I've never liked him, he has always trashed the redskins, the team that gave him the chance at the NFL.. Of course he can talk shit hid team is 8-1 and we r 3-6[/quote]

Wouldn't you trash your employer if you were a good performer for them, and they bought in someone from the outside to do your same job, and paid him more than you? Even though that person was perhaps not as good? You'd pretty pretty pissed too. Right? Think how Carlos felt when he watched Hall try and tackle Jake Delhomme. lol.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;860511]D Hall's contract was ****ing stupid. Same reasons. His past performance was not enough to justify it. But Vinny is like Jerruh: letting someone walk to another team is a crime, even if he's not that good. He probably didn't even bother to bring up DHall's awful half of a season in Oakland in the negotiations.[/quote]

Well MS and Haslett have kept him for two seasons so they should share the blame as well if this is such a big issue.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;860487]While the culture here might not have been the greatest thing for players here, 'Los has no place to talk.

Hey 'Los, if you had caught the damn ball while you were here, we would have paid you. Nobody gives out a second contract based on "potential improvement". They give them out based on past performance, even Albert Haynesworth had two great years we stupidly signed him. You didn' even do [I]that[/I]. You were the same 'ol "pretty good" cover guy who couldn't make a big play when there were PRIME opportunities to do so.[/quote]

What would you rather have your corner do. Catch Int's? Or cover and tackle? Sorry but a corners first job is to cover. Right?

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;860523]I second that!! He's bitter because Hall was given a huge contract instead of him, that was the writing on the wall that he wasn't going to be kept. I don't care that he dropped balls, [B]at least he could cover and tackle.[/B] You can create turn overs and get burned all day or have someone who can prevent catches. Now he can do both while we are stuck with a couple of average guys.[/quote]

Thank you. That's what a corner is suppose to do first.

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[quote=Ruhskins;860525]Well MS and Haslett have kept him for two seasons so they should share the blame as well if this is such a big issue.[/quote]

They couldn't justify giving him a big contract like Hall's, most teams have a star CB who makes the big money. Hall is your star CB. LOL.

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[quote=skinsfan69;860524]Wouldn't you trash your employer if you were a good performer for them, and they bought in someone from the outside to do your same job, and paid him more than you? Even though that person was perhaps not as good? You'd pretty pretty pissed too. Right? Think how Carlos felt when he watched Hall try and tackle Jake Delhomme. lol.[/quote]

I think a good player works their ass off to improve their game and then moves on from the organization. He didn't need to sulk around and leave the way he left the team. Also, it is my understanding that Rogers wanted a lot of money, when his production didn't warrant it. Rogers wanted to get playmaker money and not solid player money. Maybe if he would have performed the way he is performing with the 49ers, he'd be the unquestionable #1 corner with a good contract. But he didn't, so boo-f*cking-hoo.

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[quote=Ruhskins;860529]I think a good player works their ass off to improve their game and then moves on from the organization. He didn't need to sulk around and leave the way he left the team. Also, it is my understanding that Rogers wanted a lot of money, when his production didn't warrant it. Rogers wanted to get playmaker money and not solid player money. Maybe if he would have performed the way he is performing with the 49ers, he'd be the unquestionable #1 corner with a good contract. But he didn't, so boo-f*cking-hoo.[/quote]

When he saw what Hall got I would say he wanted the same, especially since he's a better CB than Hall.

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[quote=skinsfan69;860526]What would you rather have your corner do. Catch Int's? Or cover and tackle? Sorry but a corners first job is to cover. Right?[/quote]

Carlos wanted to get paid like he did both, and he didn't.

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[quote=Ruhskins;860534]Carlos wanted to get paid like he did both, and he didn't.[/quote]

Hall did.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;860533]When he saw what Hall got I would say he wanted the same, especially since he's a better CB than Hall.[/quote]

Which would have been easy for him to do if he had held on to pass thrown at his hands, since he already had the other skills. But according to our FO/coaching staff, he didn't and they let him walk after he didn't take our offer (I believe we gave him an offer).

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I thought letting him go was a mistake even though he couldn't catch a cold. My guess is that the 49ers had him work with their WR's coach which is something I don't think we ever did

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;860535]Hall did.[/quote]

Carlos could have gotten paid close to Nnamdi money if he caught INTs. I know you despise Hall and he can't do nothing right in your eyes, but this discussion doesn't need to be about Hall (because Rogers was technically replaced by Wilson). Carlos left this team with an attitude and bad-mouthed the team on his way out.

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[quote=skinsfan69;860526]What would you rather have your corner do. Catch Int's? Or cover and tackle? Sorry but a corners first job is to cover. Right?[/quote]
Wait, I say Hall's contract was ****ing stupid and you think I'm defending Hall? The hell?

10 million dollar corners shut players down and make big plays. They are the COMPLETE package.

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I think that Los has good reasons to feel negative about his time in DC. He played pretty well as a cover corner (though not as a playmaker) and deserved to be treated better than he was over the years.

That said, he did not seem to recognize that there is a new sheriff in town and that he would be treated better under Shanallen. Instead he chose to whine, jump ship, and not make as much as he wanted. That is all his fault.

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[quote=Ruhskins;860539] Carlos left this team with an attitude and bad-mouthed the team on his way out.[/quote]

I guess my point is, rogers attitude toward this team was warranted and atleast understandable. Players want to re-new their contract when they are entering their final season of a deal so they have future security in case they get a major injury in their final season.

2009 and 2010 the skins left carlos hanging with no future security.

Id wouldnt have nice things to say either. I also was miffed at carlos for his comments mid-2010 season when he said "he didnt want to risk playing hurt and get injured for this team and put bad tape out there" . .. but i understand where he was coming from. After 2009 and then not re-signing him before 2010, the skins didnt have his back at all so should he?

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OMG!! im shocked that ex players go to another team and rip the Redskins organization. I mean how could anyone dare trash the stability and success that this organization has shown over the last 20 years. Our team is a model of consistency and well oiled machine! Screw Carlos!

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;860542]Wait, I say Hall's contract was ****ing stupid and you think I'm defending Hall? The hell?

10 million dollar corners shut players down and make big plays. They are the COMPLETE package.[/quote]

I'm just sayin' ..you're calling out Carlos for not catching int's. Yeah he didn't catch the ball, he's not a top corner, but I'd take him over any of these bums we currently have.

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[quote=Ruhskins;860539]Carlos could have gotten paid close to Nnamdi money if he caught INTs. I know you despise Hall and he can't do nothing right in your eyes, but this discussion doesn't need to be about Hall (because Rogers was technically replaced by Wilson). Carlos left this team with an attitude and bad-mouthed the team on his way out.[/quote]Hall is mostly irrelevant to this discussion. It's just that his case totally dismisses the idea that Carlos "didn't do enough" here to get paid. He did, and did not get paid.

The bitterness is getting really old already, so I think it's fair to rip him for that. It's not like Jason Campbell rips the Redskins every chance he gets. But the reason that Carlos Rogers had to leave in order to get paid is not a symptom of his skill set or inconsistencies. It's a problem with the Redskins, bottom line.

Just treat him like we did Ryan Clark after he left. The decision to move on was defensible, but backfired.

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F Rogers.. He is finally having a good season and all of the sudden he's the next Deion? Everyone knows our organization has seen better days but this bum getting any press for saying so is ridiculous. Class act and team player are words never associated with Rogers at all. He was benched and he quit on his team so his opinion means slightly less to me than that of a drunken asleep hobo.