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Well we've talked a lot about the future of London Fletcher and LaRon Landry Even Fred Davis but what about some of our other free agents?

Tim Hightower: If he shows he's healthy do you keep him or do you accept that we gave up a 5th (and Holliday) for a couple of weeks of Tim Hightower and let him go and ride the ROY-ster train?

Adam Carriker: Are you ready to hand over his spot to Jenkins and find someone else to provide depth?

Kedrick Golston: Um...I'm not really sure what to say here

Rocky McIntosh: Ditto

Will Montgomery: You can likely get him back for cheap. But do you say screw it and maybe try to draft a young C and move on without Montgomery? Or maybe you sign Grubbs and move Kory L. to C?

Tyler Polumbus: Has he shown you enough to offer him a contract to come back and compete for a T position

Donte Stallworth: Since returning after getting cut he's been a very clutch receiver, but should he stay?

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Isnt it a bit early to talk about Jenkins because of his injury.
Yea, he looked great but will he come back to the same level.
And will he come back on time?

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I don't think you bring back Rocky or Montgomery. Rock isn't a fit for the 3-4 and Montgomery is just a step up from Rabach. Along w/ QB they need to draft a physical center that doesn't get pushed around. The rest of the guys I'd bring back for depth.

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Some tough decisions here:

Hightower - I'd like to see him back in the mix as a backup. Helu is clearly the starter now.

Carriker - I think you bring him back. Jenkins will be coming off an injury and has little experience.

Golston - gone.

McIntosh - gone.

Monty - bring him back for depth, but look to improve this position if possible.

Polumbus - bring him back.

Stallworth - I think at the least he's worth bringing to camp.

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I wouldn't bring back Hightower on anything more than a non-guaranteed one year deal, which is realistically all he is going to get off of ACL surgery. I would draft someone who is expected to be a feature back at the position someday, perhaps someone raw who needs work on pass game skills. Then I would put Hightower and Royster in competition for a single roster spot to split carries with Helu in 2012. And I would release the one that is less able, be that the recovering Hightower, or Royster.

Adam Carriker isn't going to have a spot in the starting lineup next year, and I'm not sure he even constitutes quality depth at this point. We'd be better off drafting the depth. Thing is, you can't draft at every position and Carriker is likely as good as other veteran alternatives in his price tier.

Golston is in the same boat as Carriker, but add in a season ending injury.

There is no purpose of having Rocky McIntosh back on this team, unless it is practical to have a "suck for Barkley/Griffin/Landry Jones/Tyrann Mathieu in 2013" campaign, in which case I don't think it's even worth the time to put in analysis.

Will Montgomery should be back next year, but only as the starting Center. The idea that he could slide over to either guard position while Erik Cook could be the new center was foolish. It would not hurt if we are going to pick just one lineman to draft the next center.

Tyler Polumbus isn't much of a player, but he has been part of a resurgence on the offensive line known as "no Jammal Brown." Polumbus probably shouldn't be brought back, but with the obvious inability of this team to critically examine its own roster, I would expect him to be in competition for starting RT next year. His ability to play three positions is nice, even if he's not particularly adept at any of them.

Stallworth has been much better in the second half of this season. I would stop short of saying he has actually been good or clutch. He should not be back.

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Tim Hightower: One year, incentive laden deal. If he's not happy with that, part ways. Hell, part ways and draft another late round rb.

Adam Carriker: If he'll sign a reasonable contract, I say keep him. He's at least a good back up and decent spot starter.

Kedrick Golston: I like Golston, but we should part ways and look for a younger back up.

Rocky McIntosh: He's not a good fit in the 3-4, let's draft someone to replace him.

Will Montgomery: I like Montgomery. I definitely think we should look to upgrade center via the draft, but Montgomery has been steady and may improve. He'd be an excellent guy to keep around for depth due to his ability to play several positions.

Tyler Polumbus: He's a guy you bring back for camp on a one year deal. See how he does and then think about re-signing on a longer term deal if he plays well. Low risk signing. He's played pretty well all things considered, but not well enough to pencil in as a starter. #depth

Donte Stallworth: Sign him to a one year deal and let him fight it out in camp. If he earns the job, fine if not, let him go.

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Hightower, Polumbus, and Carriker - one year deals. Let them earn their places (or not) in camp.

Golston, MacIntosh, and Stallworth - let 'em walk.

Montgomery - look to upgrade the position but he is too valuable to just let walk. In the worst case he provides good depth.

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I would bring back Hightower, Carriker, Polumbus, Montgomery.

I would not bring back Stallworth, because there are guys like DeSean, Eddie Royal, and Colston who would fill in for his spot better than him.

Golston is a mere-backup and can't play in this defense.

Rocky isn't as fast nor aggressive as Perry Riley who is a small spark to the Defense.

Side note; I'd bring back Hightower on a one year low salary deal.

London you have to bring back

LaRon you bring back IF he gets surgery.

Fred you bring back but put into his deal that if he is caught with weed his salary isn't guaranteed.

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[quote=Lotus;868952]Hightower, Polumbus, and Carriker - one year deals. Let them earn their places (or not) in camp.

Golston, MacIntosh, and Stallworth - let 'em walk.

Montgomery - look to upgrade the position but he is too valuable to just let walk. In the worst case he provides good depth.[/quote]

Agree with this. Add a couple things, none of these players will be particularly hot items in the offseason, with maybe the exception of Carriker getting some interest, so all will be inexpensive options.

I would be very careful with Hightower and Kory L coming off of major injuries.

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So you're saying let Stallworth go? Bring one of the receivers you mentioned in to be a 1 or 2 and slide everyone down? Or bring one of those guys in to be a 3-5 WR?

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Hightower - Bring him back as insurance, but obviously, Helu is our guy and Royster is starting to step it up as well.

Carriker - Definitely bring him back. I think Jenkins will eventually land the starting job, but I wouldn't be in a rush to bring him back with that injury.

Golston - gone.

McIntosh - Probably gone, but we do need to start thinking about drafting some good young linebackers in the next few years.

Monty - He's been solid, not awesome, but solid. There's definitely an upgrade out there, but you bring him back most definitely.

Polumbus - He should be back.

Stallworth - Ever since the Redskins had to bring Stallworth back, he's really proven himself to be a valuable asset. I would definitely bring him back to at least push the younger guys next season.

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[quote=SmootSmack;868956]So you're saying let Stallworth go? Bring one of the receivers you mentioned in to be a 1 or 2 and slide everyone down? Or bring one of those guys in to be a 3-5 WR?[/quote]

If you look at the free agent crop of WR, their are guys with number 1 status or better potential for a 1 than anyone on currently on the team. You go out this year to get a number 1 WR. Austin and Banks are done after this year. Hankerson, Moss, Gaffney, Solid free agent, Paul/or possible late round draft pick, are the 5 i see here next year. No room for Stallworth.

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[quote=SmootSmack;868956]So you're saying let Stallworth go? Bring one of the receivers you mentioned in to be a 1 or 2 and slide everyone down? Or bring one of those guys in to be a 3-5 WR?[/quote]

The way I see it, we need playmakers at WR. I would not be surprised or dismayed if we went 1-2 in the draft on a QB and WR. Thus the others get slid down, folks like Hankey step up, and thus Stallworth becomes dead wood.

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[quote=Chico23231;868960]If you look at the free agent crop of WR, their are guys with number 1 status or better potential for a 1 than anyone on currently on the team. You go out this year to get a number 1 WR. Austin and Banks are done after this year. Hankerson, Moss, Gaffney, Solid free agent, Paul/or possible late round draft pick, are the 5 i see here next year. No room for Stallworth.[/quote]

I couldn't have been more wrong about Austin. I certainly thought he'd be more of a factor this year. I suspect he and Armstrong may not be long for here. Banks I have no idea.

But put all those aside and you have Hankerson, Moss, Gaffney, and Paul let's say as your top 4.

Oh and there's also Anderson, but never mind him for now. And Aldrick Robinson

Ok so now you're saying there's no room for Stallworth because we could get a solid free agent or late round pick. Are we talking about just getting rid of Stallworth just to get rid of him then?

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[quote=Lotus;868962]The way I see it, we need playmakers at WR. I would not be surprised or dismayed if we went 1-2 in the draft on a QB and WR. Thus the others get slid down, folks like Hankey step up, and thus Stallworth becomes dead wood.[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised to see us bring in a big time WR either. Just not sure if that pushes Stallworth out

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^ wow forgot about Armstrong, I guess that says it all about him.

Solid, play making free agent at WR is why you get rid of Stallworth.

I had Paul listed as: "Paul/late draft pic" meaning Paul could be replaced if we get someone in this years draft who could take Paul's spot. Unlikely, but possible. But I think Paul sticks next year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;868956]So you're saying let Stallworth go? Bring one of the receivers you mentioned in to be a 1 or 2 and slide everyone down? Or bring one of those guys in to be a 3-5 WR?[/quote]Honestly, I don't know if I can make a reasonable argument for bringing Stallworth or even Moss back. You head into next year with Jabar Gaffney as the clear go-to receiver and Leonard Hankerson as the clear number two. I mean, those two are pretty much unchallenged at this point.

Then you have your depth guys in Armstrong, Banks, and someone who we'll pick in the 2012 draft, with Aldrick Robinson challenging for one of those spots.

What's left? The slot guy. So I would think the Redskins want that to be Niles Paul. It's possible, maybe even likely, that the Redskins would keep Santana Moss in 2012 and release Paul, but that still doesn't leave an obvious spot for Stallworth, unless there's no draft or acquisition at the position.

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[quote=Chico23231;868967]^ wow forgot about Armstrong, I guess that says it all about him.

Solid, play making free agent at WR is why you get rid of Stallworth.

I had Paul listed as: "Paul/late draft pic" meaning Paul could be replaced if we get someone in this years draft who could take Paul's spot. Unlikely, but possible. But I think Paul sticks next year.[/quote]I think it's either Paul or Moss as the no. 3 next year. Moss is clearly and obviously better right now, but it will be interesting to see how much they think of Niles Paul.

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[quote=GTripp0012;868974]I think it's either Paul or Moss as the no. 3 next year. Moss is clearly and obviously better right now, but it will be interesting to see how much they think of Niles Paul.[/quote]

Would you be comfortable with Hankerson, Moss, Gaffney as your top 3 next year?

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[quote=SmootSmack;868977]Would you be comfortable with Hankerson, Moss, Gaffney as your top 3 next year?[/quote]Very.

I would just wish that if they believe in these young guys (like Paul), they'd move a vet out of the way to have him play. Paul hasn't exactly ran with the opportunity just yet, but if he shows up in practice as much as the coaches say, then he should be a big part of next year's plans.

If not, then I'd be fine with Gaffney/Hankerson/Moss while we draft and develop Gaffney's replacement.

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[quote=GTripp0012;868978]Very.

I would just wish that if they believe in these young guys (like Paul), they'd move a vet out of the way to have him play. Paul hasn't exactly ran with the opportunity just yet, but if he shows up in practice as much as the coaches say, then he should be a big part of next year's plans.

If not, then I'd be fine with Gaffney/Hankerson/Moss while we draft and develop Gaffney's replacement.[/quote]

So if you're comfortable with that as your top 3 then what's the harm in having Stallworth in there as part of your next 3?

Anyhow, I didn't mean to make this only about Stallworth

I let Golston and Rocky walk

I hold on to Carriker

Ditto for Montgomery

Really not sure about Hightower. Wish there sign and trades like in the NBA

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vet min! seriously though, no one on that list is going to be making any kind of money, so, sure, if they're cheap, why not.

we need the keep the OL guys simply because we didn't have enough to start this season and ended up fishing in the post deadline FA pool... which is never good.

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This offense needs more playmakers. I think our WRs are solid but unspectacular. Maybe Hankerson or Paul can be that type of guy eventually, but I feel like we need to make a move to bring in a guy that really scares a D.

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[quote=SmootSmack;868982]So if you're comfortable with that as your top 3 then what's the harm in having Stallworth in there as part of your next 3?

Anyhow, I didn't mean to make this only about Stallworth

I let Golston and Rocky walk

I hold on to Carriker

Ditto for Montgomery

Really not sure about Hightower. Wish there sign and trades like in the NBA[/quote]Well, I don't think much of Stallworth as a player and I'm not sure what he adds. Then if we're presuming a top three round draft pick spent on a WR, we're really just talking about one spot remaining in the receiver rotation. And why that would go to Stallworth doesn't make a lot of sense to me. He can't possibly be the best candidate for the job.

Now if you make a tough decision like releasing Moss so that you can tender a contract to Stallworth, that's at least saying to me that you think Stallworth has more left in the tank than Moss does and should battle for the no. 3 WR position. I would at least try to defend that line of reasoning. But if Stallworth doesn't have more left in the tank then Moss, then why even bother to bring him to camp?

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Like the guy I told you about Matty?

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[quote=SmootSmack;868927]
Tim Hightower:
Adam Carriker:
Kedrick Golston:
Rocky McIntosh:
Will Montgomery:
Tyler Polumbus:
Donte Stallworth: [/quote]

Hightower - i think he is our best option as our starting runningback with helu being mixed in heavily and royster (or some late round draft pick/ufa guys) battling for 3rd string and pratice squad.

With his injury I think we could sign him to a modest 3 yr 4.5 mil total contract.

Carriker - One of the quickest and best ways to improve depth is to upgrade starters and I think this might be the case here. If we can add a better end and slide carriker to a backup/fill in role I think we improve in two areas. On the flip side, upgrading carriker isnt at the top of my list of must do's this season either.

Another modest 3 yr 4 mil contract should do.

Golston/mcintosh - let them walk. I think rocky wants more than he is actually worth in our 3-4, he'll have better days back in a 4-3 where he can extend his career for a few more seasons. getting 1 or 2 potential starter MLBs is a high priority this offseason imo. wouldnt mind seeing a decent contract offered to the best avail mlb FA and a 3rd or 4th rounder used on a rookie. Also i havent given up on lorenzo alexander being given a chance to backup if riley or FA replaces rocky.

Montgomery - Should def resign. He is a decent guard in our ZBS and has proven to be a serviceable backup center. If we can upgrade at center and move montgomery to backup im all for it.

Also he would be on the cheap imo. 2.5 mil 3-4 yr deal. Quality depth and spot starter is what this team needs more of.

Polumbus - I dont have much hope for him as a starter and not even really as a contributer in 2012 but id offer him a workout contract and let him be a warm body in august. if he makes it, great. unless we get saddled with injuries i dont see his name being on the 53 for any game next season.

Stallworth - couldnt really care either way. his production and what he brings is easily findable and replaceable, the stallworths of the nfl are a dime a dozen imo.

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[quote=SmootSmack;868987]Like the guy I told you about Matty?[/quote]

assuming we can still land a starting QB, sure

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[quote=SmootSmack;868977]Would you be comfortable with Hankerson, Moss, Gaffney as your top 3 next year?[/quote]

I wouldnt. I dont think Shanny or Kyle would be either. Moss and Gaffney deliever with the same production and certainly have value in this system. Hankerson still needs to develop and show what he has coming off a bad injury(we are about to learn alot about Hankerson on how he responds). Stallworth would fit with Moss and Gaffney from a production standpoint, but has not delievered on the field consistently enough to do so.

Shanny wants playmakers on offense and WR will be at the top of the list in the offseason.

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i dont think there is any chance the ravens let ben grubbs walk. He is considered their best O lineman and their O line was dysfunctional when he was out for a few games earlier this season.

Rice and Grubbs are huge priorities for the ravens.

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[quote=Mattyk;868985]This offense needs more playmakers. I think our WRs are solid but unspectacular. Maybe Hankerson or Paul can be that type of guy eventually, but I feel like we need to make a move to bring in a guy that really scares a D.[/quote]

To me it all comes down to who's getting them the ball. It's proven that teams can win with average wr's if you have a stud QB. These guys that we currently have are not playmakers but they're getting open. For the most part they've been open all year long. I bring back this group, let them compete and see how it shakes out. And Jabar Gaffney has just been rock solid, boy was I wrong about him. But I hope they don't go out and overpay for someone like Dwayne Bowe or Marcus Colston. Improve the line and draft a legit QB and we can win with this group of wr's.

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[quote=SmootSmack;868927]Well we've talked a lot about the future of London Fletcher and LaRon Landry Even Fred Davis but what about some of our other free agents?

Tim Hightower: If he shows he's healthy do you keep him or do you accept that we gave up a 5th (and Holliday) for a couple of weeks of Tim Hightower and let him go and ride the ROY-ster train?

Adam Carriker: Are you ready to hand over his spot to Jenkins and find someone else to provide depth?

Kedrick Golston: Um...I'm not really sure what to say here

Rocky McIntosh: Ditto

Will Montgomery: You can likely get him back for cheap. But do you say screw it and maybe try to draft a young C and move on without Montgomery? Or maybe you sign Grubbs and move Kory L. to C?

Tyler Polumbus: Has he shown you enough to offer him a contract to come back and compete for a T position

Donte Stallworth: Since returning after getting cut he's been a very clutch receiver, but should he stay?[/quote]


Obviously, everything that follows here is based on the idea that reasonable contracts can be negotiated for players I would want to keep. No one on this list is worth saddling the franchise with a huge multi-year deal with $30M guaranteed for example...


Hightower - - if he is healthy, keep him.

Carriker - - keep him until Jenkins shows that he can play against NFL starters in games that count in the standings.

Golston/McInstosh - - meh! neither is going to be a cornerstone of the defense; neither will embarrass the team if they have to play for a few series a game or be a starter for a week while someone gets over a minor injury.

Montgomery - - adequate and nothing more. team can do better and worse by making a change here. hope he is willing to work cheap...

Polumbus - - keep him. I think he might start next season.

Stallworth - - bring him to camp and let him compete for a spot next season the way the team did last season. If he beats out other WRs, good on him; if not, [I]vaya con Dios[/I].

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Tim Hightower: Sign him to a 1 to 2 year contract

Adam Carriker: Sign to 1 year contract, if he doesn't like it say goodbye

Kedrick Golston: Same as Carriker, I like Golston's motor and character

Rocky McIntosh: Time to say goodbye

Will Montgomery: Sign him to 2 year contract

Tyler Polumbus: Bring the kid back for depth

Donte Stallworth: Thanks for the memories, Redskins need to get younger at WR.

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I say get a true number 1 in free agency and go with the FA gaffney moss hankerson and let stallworth fight With the young guys for the 5th spot

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Hilarious that some are saying Adam Carriker might be a back-up. Based on what? Jenkins' potential? That's silly. Carriker has been more than solid, definitely a starter in this league. He's a keeper. I wonder if he tacked on a few more sacks and landed in the Pro-Bowl, how folks would feel?

I'm honestly on the fence about Hightower. Only because he started out so well and loves being a Redskin. We need more guys like that around here. And it's not like he's old. You're generally one injury away from signing a Rashard Choice, so I say bring Tim back.

Rocky, Sellers, Goltston, Monty - Gone baby gone.

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[quote=12thMan;869058]Hilarious that some are saying Adam Carriker might be a back-up. Based on what? Jenkins' potential? That's silly. Carriker has been more than solid, definitely a starter in this league. He's a keeper. I wonder if he tacked on a few more sacks and landed in the Pro-Bowl, how folks would feel? [/quote]I would feel like I was watching a different player.

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[quote=skinsfan69;869038]To me it all comes down to who's getting them the ball. It's proven that teams can win with average wr's if you have a stud QB. These guys that we currently have are not playmakers but they're getting open. For the most part they've been open all year long. I bring back this group, let them compete and see how it shakes out. And Jabar Gaffney has just been rock solid, boy was I wrong about him. [B]But I hope they don't go out and overpay for someone like Dwayne Bowe or Marcus Colston.[/B] Improve the line and draft a legit QB and we can win with this group of wr's.[/quote]Yeah, that would be a pretty poor decision.

We should add through the draft, although there's no reason to spend a first round pick at the receiver position.

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[quote=12thMan;869058]Hilarious that some are saying Adam Carriker might be a back-up. Based on what? Jenkins' potential? That's silly. Carriker has been more than solid, definitely a starter in this league. He's a keeper. I wonder if he tacked on a few more sacks and landed in the Pro-Bowl, how folks would feel?

I'm honestly on the fence about Hightower. Only because he started out so well and loves being a Redskin. We need more guys like that around here. And it's not like he's old. You're generally one injury away from signing a Rashard Choice, so I say bring Tim back.

Rocky, Sellers, Goltston, Monty - Gone baby gone.[/quote]

I agree with everything you say here except for Monty. Carriker has definitely been more than solid, and is definitely not a weak link. With Jenkins back, his pt will be reduced, but since when is having quality depth a bad thing? Carriker definitely comes back next year, upgrade or not. Who cares who gets the start as long as all our defensive linemen stay fresh?

As for Hightower, again I agree. I love his attitude, but the on field results haven't been that impressive. I bring him back on a one year deal as a backup to Helu, and I'd let him battle with Royster for the backup job.

Rocky - yeah, gone.

Golston - Sad to say but he's just a body at this point. We might as well trade him in for a body that's better suited to play his position.

Montgomery - upgrade or not, bring him back. He's not a top notch center by any means, but we could definitely do worse. Even if we upgrade I'd still like him for depth.

Sellers - save us the trouble and just retire.

Polumbus - bring him back for depth.

Willie Smith - bring him back for depth too, and possibly let him battle for the RT spot.

Stallworth - bring him back only if Redskins do not seek an upgrade.

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[quote=GTripp0012;869068]Yeah, that would be a pretty poor decision.

We should add through the draft, although there's no reason to spend a first round pick at the receiver position.[/quote]

I don't think we should spend any picks on wr's.

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If Hankerson is healthy next spring then I agree we should not spend picks on any more WRs.
Free agency may be another thing though.

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[quote=Mattyk;868985]This offense needs more playmakers. I think our WRs are solid but unspectacular. Maybe Hankerson or Paul can be that type of guy eventually, but I feel like we need to make a move to bring in a guy that really scares a D.[/quote]


I think we need to go after Bowe I've been saying it since last year, people say he's a bit of a punk but he makes plays and produces w any QB. I think Moss is still a solid 2 or 3, AA won't make it IMO and Gaffney is a 2 at best so we need a true 1.. Is Hank the guy? Who knows but having a bad injury your rookie year doesn't look good