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Figured we could go with yet another fresh thread on the QB search.

Here's a little bit on some "2nd tier" QB options

[url=http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/1/11/2698720/seahawks-scouting-NFL-Draft-quarterbacks]2012 NFL Draft, Scouting for the Seahawks: Talking Quarterbacks With Rob Staton - Field Gulls[/url]

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7454270/2012-nfl-draft-qb-prospect-ryan-tannehill-broken-foot-agent-says]2012 NFL draft -- QB prospect Ryan Tannehill has broken foot, agent says - ESPN[/url]

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The more I read about Nick Foles, the more I'm not so impressed.

And, I wonder how much Tannehill's broken foot is going to drop his stock? Might could get him at a steal.

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I feel like there is a huge drop off at qb after Luck and RG3. Tannehill and his broken foot isn't helping his cause. I think Weeden is good but his age sucks. I like Russell Wilson and Moore but their height is an issue. The rest of the qbs I see as career backups IMO. I wish Landry Jones and Matt Barkley were coming out.

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[quote=skinsguy;875223]The more I read about Nick Foles, the more I'm not so impressed.

And, I wonder how much Tannehill's broken foot is going to drop his stock? Might could get him at a steal.[/quote]

Never actually saw Foles, play but plan to do so in the Senior Bowl. I've heard multiple sources who are very high on him especially w/ the lack of talent around him in his senior year.

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Foles is the wildcard for me.

I saw games where he threw it deep and he was getting it down field effortlessly.

I also saw games where all they did was run screens.

Will be watching him closely during the senior bowl.

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[quote=chrisl13;875227]I feel like there is a huge drop off at qb after Luck and RG3. Tannehill and his broken foot isn't helping his cause. I think Weeden is good but his age sucks. I like Russell Wilson and Moore but their height is an issue. The rest of the qbs I see as career backups IMO. I wish Landry Jones and Matt Barkley were coming out.[/quote]

Let me ask you this, are you any at all interested in Flynn?

I am because we need a Vet on this team. Even if it's just a replacement for Beck. I'd prefer Grossman get sent packing also, but I ask because Flynn is 26yo, Weeden is only 28. I agree no one wants their Rookie draft pick to be on the back end of their career age wise but I feel his age should make him more mature and a more stable football QB. In other words he probably should make better decisions on and off the field.

If Weeden fits what MS and KS want a QB to do then I'm happy with drafting him and letting the best QB play. This would also buy the team time to develope Weeden and still be able to pick up a QB next year if the market has more talented QB's in it.

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[quote=SBXVII;875252]Let me ask you this, are you any at all interested in Flynn?

I am because we need a Vet on this team. Even if it's just a replacement for Beck. I'd prefer Grossman get sent packing also, but I ask because Flynn is 26yo, Weeden is only 28. I agree no one wants their Rookie draft pick to be on the back end of their career age wise but I feel his age should make him more mature and a more stable football QB. In other words he probably should make better decisions on and off the field.

If Weeden fits what MS and KS want a QB to do then I'm happy with drafting him and letting the best QB play. This would also buy the team time to develope Weeden and still be able to pick up a QB next year if the market has more talented QB's in it.[/quote]

I'm interested in any quarterback not named Rex Grossman or John Beck. But yes, I really like Flynn. The knock on him is that he may be the product of a system, but our system is similar to what they run in GB.The boy can ball but it's all about how much we would have to give up for him. If GB doesn't franchise him we should sign him as a free agent immediately, then in the draft you can get someone like Kellen Moore, Cousins, or even Weeden.

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How does Colin Kaepernick sound? I didn't know if you could possibly get him from the raiders for maybe a third round pick. Considering the raiders have Pryor, Palmer, and Kaepernick under contract and also the rumors of them signing Flynn could possibly open up the idea of a trade. I remember a few people on here last year were glamoring over him. Thought's?

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I'd probably still look into RGIII even if I did get Flynn, but it would depend on what the asking price was. If it was too much then alteast you still have (hopefully) a better QB then Grossman/Beck and as you say look for one of the others to develope for the future.

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[quote=WaldSkins;875259]How does Colin Kaepernick sound? I didn't know if you could possibly get him from the raiders for maybe a third round pick. Considering the raiders have Pryor, Palmer, and Kaepernick under contract and also the rumors of them signing Flynn could possibly open up the idea of a trade. I remember a few people on here last year were glamoring over him. Thought's?[/quote]

That would be tough since he's actually on the 49ers.

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[quote=Mattyk;875261]That would be tough since he's actually on the 49ers.[/quote]

Ha. nevermind then.

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[quote=SBXVII;875252]Let me ask you this, are you any at all interested in Flynn?

I am because we need a Vet on this team. Even if it's just a replacement for Beck. I'd prefer Grossman get sent packing also, but I ask because Flynn is 26yo, Weeden is only 28. I agree no one wants their Rookie draft pick to be on the back end of their career age wise but I feel his age should make him more mature and a more stable football QB. In other words he probably should make better decisions on and off the field.

If Weeden fits what MS and KS want a QB to do then I'm happy with drafting him and letting the best QB play. This would also buy the team time to develope Weeden and still be able to pick up a QB next year if the market has more talented QB's in it.[/quote]


If we could get Flynn AND draft a good QB, I'd be for that. HOWEVER, we all know Flynn is going to be getting mad money. Do we really want to invest that much money into someone who has only played two games?

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[quote=mattyk;875261]that would be tough since he's actually on the 49ers.[/quote]

lol!

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[quote=skinsguy;875276]If we could get Flynn AND draft a good QB, I'd be for that. HOWEVER, we all know Flynn is going to be getting mad money. Do we really want to invest that much money into someone who has only played two games?[/quote]

and I'd say yes. No different then how it used to be, giving a drafted QB a ton of money and he hasn't played at all in the NFL. Atleast we know what Flynn can do and what he might be able to do in our system vs. RGIII whom we have no clue if he will do well or not.

But the key is there is a Rookie CAP so there would not be a ton of money dished out to both.

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[quote=SBXVII;875280]and I'd say yes. No different then how it used to be, giving a drafted QB a ton of money and he hasn't played at all in the NFL. Atleast we know what Flynn can do and what he might be able to do in our system vs. RGIII whom we have no clue if he will do well or not.

But the key is there is a Rookie CAP so there would not be a ton of money dished out to both.[/quote]

The way I'm looking at it is with the Rookie Cap, it's much cheaper to invest in the high draft pick rookie than it would be the free agent. And with other teams in need of a QB (Seahawks, Miami, possibly Cleveland as well) if it was an either or thing, I would choose the draft pick. What if we invest a lot of money into Flynn, have him tied up for the next few seasons, and he completely bombs after year one?

I think ONLY if the deal is backloaded with incentive based money.

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I think I, along with the rest of us, are missing the key fact about Flynn. We all saw his TD performances against NE and the 6 TD's against the Lions. And after evaluations, the majority of us are saying 'oh thats all his receiver's, his talent, his scheme.' But the thing we seem to be missing is that he is Smart enought to get it to the right guy, the open guy, and he is Proven that he can grasp and get a hold of an offense and make the right decision.

Who knows how good he Could be if he gets a hold of the Shanahan's offense, and gets a great playmaking WR..

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[quote=skinsguy;875285]The way I'm looking at it is with the Rookie Cap, it's much cheaper to invest in the high draft pick rookie than it would be the free agent. And with other teams in need of a QB (Seahawks, Miami, possibly Cleveland as well) if it was an either or thing, I would choose the draft pick. What if we invest a lot of money into Flynn, have him tied up for the next few seasons, and he completely bombs after year one?

I think ONLY if the deal is backloaded with incentive based money.[/quote]

I understand where your coming from, and agree with you but the problem is no one knows how any QB will turn out. Heck look at McNabb, although he was on the decline (which is why I didn't want him), Hasslebach is probably a better example, was playing for one team and was not really lighting it up then went to Seattle and did awesome.

In the old days teams would pay the Vet decent money and the Rookie would get the payday. The only difference is it's flipped. So we give Flynn his payday and we still get RGIII at the top end of the Rookie CAP. Plus Allen has not really done what Cerrato has done in the past so I'd imagine we would get Flynn with a decent contract.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;875288]I think I, along with the rest of us, are missing the key fact about Flynn. We all saw his TD performances against NE and the 6 TD's against the Lions. And after evaluations, the majority of us are saying 'oh thats all his receiver's, his talent, his scheme.' But the thing we seem to be missing is that he is Smart enought to get it to the right guy, the open guy, and he is Proven that he can grasp and get a hold of an offense and make the right decision.

Who knows how good he Could be if he gets a hold of the Shanahan's offense, and [B]gets a great playmaking WR[/B]..[/quote]

Cough, Blackmon, cough, number 6 pick, cough.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;875288]I think I, along with the rest of us, are missing the key fact about Flynn. We all saw his TD performances against NE and the 6 TD's against the Lions. And after evaluations, the majority of us are saying 'oh thats all his receiver's, his talent, his scheme.' But the thing we seem to be missing is that he is Smart enought to get it to the right guy, the open guy, and he is Proven that he can grasp and get a hold of an offense and make the right decision.

Who knows how good he Could be if he gets a hold of the Shanahan's offense, and gets a great playmaking WR..[/quote]


On top of that he played well in the NFL in a WCO. None of the QB's coming out of the draft can say that. was RGIII in a WC style of offense in college? was Luck in a WC style of offense in college?

I'm all for getting RGIII and hope he works out for us and we have a QB for the future, but what if he doesn't work out? whats the game plan? I'd rather have Flynn as well cause our chances of him working out are better then any Rookie coming out in the draft. He's proven he can make all the throws, can pick the right WR to go to, is safe with the ball, and "CAN" throw for 6 TD's in a game, in the same style system we run. Whats not to like?

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[quote=chrisl13;875292]Cough, Blackmon, cough, number 6 pick, cough.[/quote]

It would be surprising if he's still there at #6, assuming the Rams stay at #2 he would be a great pick for them.

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[quote=Mattyk;875301]It would be surprising if he's still there at #6, assuming the Rams stay at #2 he would be a great pick for them.[/quote]

Yup. Almost no chance of getting Blackmon at #6.

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[quote=SBXVII;875291]I understand where your coming from, and agree with you but the problem is no one knows how any QB will turn out. Heck look at McNabb, although he was on the decline (which is why I didn't want him), Hasslebach is probably a better example, was playing for one team and was not really lighting it up then went to Seattle and did awesome.

In the old days teams would pay the Vet decent money and the Rookie would get the payday. The only difference is it's flipped. So we give Flynn his payday and we still get RGIII at the top end of the Rookie CAP. Plus Allen has not really done what Cerrato has done in the past so I'd imagine we would get Flynn with a decent contract.[/quote]


Like I said earlier. If there is a good way to land both without putting the 'skins in cap trouble for the next few years, then I'm fine with that.

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The more tape I watch, the more I hope we are out of the Tannehill business.

RG3 or bust!!!!!!!!!!

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[quote=skinsguy;875311]Like I said earlier. If there is a good way to land both without putting the 'skins in cap trouble for the next few years, then I'm fine with that.[/quote]

I am normally an advocate of cap-wise moves, but not when it comes to the Skins' next QB(s). The cap should be a non-factor.

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[quote=Lotus;875305]Yup. Almost no chance of getting Blackmon at #6.[/quote]

Would you trade up to get blackmon if you signed Flynn?

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[quote=Lotus;875305]Yup. Almost no chance of getting Blackmon at #6.[/quote]

Maybe the Rams will be taking Blackmon at #6

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Do what you have to do to get RGIII or Luck. Just make the trade. No Flynn, no Hoyer (Really? Hoyer?) No Tannehill, No Foles, give the Rams 2012 1st rounder , 2013 1st rounder, 2012 3rd rounder, 2013 4th rounder or replace 2012 3rd rounder with 2012 2nd rounder and draft your QB.

As far as WR goes 3rd round possibilities: Ryan Broyles, Dwight Jones, Marvin McNutt, sign Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe or DeSean Jackson.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;875347]Do what you have to do to get RGIII or Luck. Just make the trade. No Flynn, no Hoyer (Really? Hoyer?) No Tannehill, No Foles, give the Rams 2012 1st rounder , 2013 1st rounder, 2012 3rd rounder, 2013 4th rounder or replace 2012 3rd rounder with 2012 2nd rounder and draft your QB.

As far as WR goes 3rd round possibilities: Ryan Broyles, Dwight Jones, Marvin McNutt, sign Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe or DeSean Jackson.[/quote]

You gotta hope Shannahan and company has that "the time is now" attitude and feel like enough is enough of the shuffling mediocre quarterbacks in and out every season. You have to give up the farm, the fun and games are over.

I read somewhere that we may have to only give up our first, third, and fourth to move up and get RG3 but this has to most certainly be bullshit. I can live with 2 firsts and this year's third though.

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What if we draft Dre Kirkpatrick with our 6th pick then pick up Brock Osweiler in the 2nd. Also pick up Payton Manning if he becomes available.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;875341]Would you trade up to get blackmon if you signed Flynn?[/quote]

Nope, because Flynn is not a sure-fire franchise QB. We'd still need to get a young gun at #6 or higher.

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[quote=WaldSkins;875346]Maybe the Rams will be taking Blackmon at #6[/quote]

True dat. Let me restate then: there's almost no chance that Blackmon falls to us at #6.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;875339]I am normally an advocate of cap-wise moves, but not when it comes to the Skins' next QB(s). The cap should be a non-factor.[/quote]

I kind of agree. I mean there has to be some restraint and discipline, but compared to signing players at other positions there should be a LOT more flexibility with what the team is willing to spend.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;875349]What if we draft Dre Kirkpatrick with our 6th pick then pick up Brock Osweiler in the 2nd. [B]Also pick up Payton Manning if he becomes available.[/B][/quote]

noooooooooooo. he won't be available anyway.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;875349]What if we draft Dre Kirkpatrick with our 6th pick then pick up Brock Osweiler in the 2nd. Also pick up Payton Manning if he becomes available.[/quote]

What if I push Shanny of a cliff for doing that? Who will coach then???

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[quote=SkinzWin;875366]noooooooooooo. he won't be available anyway.[/quote]

Peyton Manning's neck is also not available, so no dice.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;875368]What if I push Shanny of a cliff for doing that? Who will coach then???[/quote]

:laughing2

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why such aggressive no's?

[QUOTE=Lotus;875350]Nope, because Flynn is not a sure-fire franchise QB. We'd still need to get a young gun at #6 or higher.[/QUOTE]

I agree, but honestly I don't think we want matt Flynn

Hail to the redskins

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[quote=CultBrennan59;875288]I think I, along with the rest of us, are missing the key fact about Flynn. We all saw his TD performances against NE and the 6 TD's against the Lions. And after evaluations, the majority of us are saying 'oh thats all his receiver's, his talent, his scheme.' But the thing we seem to be missing is that he is Smart enought to get it to the right guy, the open guy, and he is Proven that he can grasp and get a hold of an offense and make the right decision.

Who knows how good he Could be if he gets a hold of the Shanahan's offense, and gets a great playmaking WR..[/quote]

Didn't Jennings miss the last game? Put a bonafide #1 on the Skins and they have plenty of talent. Anyone think Fred Davis and Chris Cooley couldn't get their stat on playing for Green Bay? Who are their all-world running backs again? If Rex were their QB would anyone know Jordy Nelson's name?

Isn't their O-line, the same one that made Aaron Rodgers one of the most sacked QBs in the league just a few years ago, all banged up right now? What's their D ranked again? QB play is the difference maker on that team.

If all it takes for Flynn to play at his current level is talent, well then just go get Dwayne Bowe, draft WR and O-line early and often and pencil us in as NFC East champs next year;).

If Brees was playing in NO with Bowe, Hankerson, Moss, Gaffney, Davis, Cooley, Helu, Royster and Hightower would there be peeps bemoaning his lack of talent. No, they'd still be scoring 30 plus a game. He'd make Paul, Austin and Armstrong viable fantasy options.

With a good QB and some additional parts on Offense, there's no reason the Skins couldn't drastically improve their Offensive production. And with 9 draft picks and free agency, there's no reason to believe they won't get the pieces they need. For the record, I'm in the get Flynn AND draft a rookie high camp. Hell, get another one late for good measure. Cover all the bases, hedge your bets!