how to get a QB if youre pulling the trigger
 

i see all of the posts on who people want here in DC. this is about how to get your man here. name who you would like to be starting in DC next season, and how you propose to bring him here. lots of folk want Flynn. OK then, what would you pay to bring him here? i personally want RG3. i would move up to #2, and give up this years and next years #1. and this years and next years #2. and maybe someone like Cooley. don't know if that would be enough. but i know that i am sick of the last dozen years of horrible QB play

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Thats too much for RB3. I would like to get him in here. We would probably only need to give up 2012 1st, 2012 3rd, and 2013 1st to move into the 3rd spot just ahead of Cleveland, maybe a 2013 3rd too. We dont need to move to number 2 with the news that Jeff Fisher will coach the Rams. It was said that he wanted to coach a team with a qb in place so there is no way they go qb at number 2.

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I love your sig Chris, That Talking Baby...How about Stewie?

Anyhow, this is a good question. And I don't know the answer.

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I would sign Chad Henne to a 4/$20 ($6 million guaranteed), and I would trade up to the 3rd overall pick so long as I could get it for the 6th pick, a 2013 2nd rounder, and a 2012 3rd rounder (though this may not be enough if the Vikings aren't actively looking to trade down). If Robert Griffin is there at 3rd overall, I would select him. If the Rams take him at no. 2, I'm keeping the pick and taking either Blackmon or Kalil.

In the scenario where RG3 is a Ram, I would trade up again from the 39th pick to the 32nd pick (last in the first round) to draft Nick Foles. This is a trade that would cost us one of our two fourths. But the real goal here is to have a fifth year option on Nick Foles' contract, something you don't get if you draft him in the second round.

So then next year, you head into the season with either 1) Griffin, 2) Henne on the depth chart, or 1) Henne, 2) Foles on the depth chart. I would consider re-signing Rex Grossman anyway, but I would be looking to draft someone like Kellen Moore or Kirk Cousins in the fifth round anyway, and that pick would make Grossman expendable.

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Well ... if I am "pulling the trigger", that would imply that I had access to a gun which I could then put to the head of the guy I wanted and he would sign a minimum level contract for ten years.

Oh ... that's not what you mean? sorry.


I think the price of trading up for Luck and/or RGIII will be too high for a team with as many needs as the Skins have. Therefore, I would want a "middling veteran free agent QB" here as the starter at least at the beginning of next year and then for the Skins to draft a developmental QB.

My preferred free agent QB would be Kyle Orton

The QBs who I think can be had later in the draft that I like are: (alphabetical order to prevent splitting hairs over which development project is better than the others)
[INDENT]Kirk Cousins
Landry Jones (Is he in the draft this year or next?)
Kellen Moore
Russell Wilson[/INDENT]

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Chad Henne? I'd rather have Flynn

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;875570]
[INDENT]Kirk Cousins
Landry Jones (Is he in the draft this year or next?)
Kellen Moore
Russell Wilson[/INDENT][/quote]

Jones is staying in school.

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I would say if the Redskins are going the free agency route (which I don't care much for) and are drafting a development QB, the only one I think would be worth a pick is Ryan Tannehill. And since he has a broken foot, he might come a lot cheaper than expected, so the 'skins could possibly use their first rounder to trade down and pick up a lot of great picks.

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No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6.
Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us:

1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck.
2) Rams - Already have Bradford
3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder
4) Browns - already have McCoy
5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen
6) Skinnies

I say stay where we are and let see what happens.

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in a strategy that involves staying put, is there any rule which prevents the skins for trading for RG3, if drafted before the 6th pick?

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[quote=dmek25;875580]in a strategy that involves staying put, is there any rule which prevents the skins for trading for RG3, if drafted before the 6th pick?[/quote]

Well, Eli Manning got traded to the Giants after getting picked by the Chargers, so no, shouldn't be any rule that prevents a trade after the fact.

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[quote=Defensewins;875576]No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6.
Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us:

1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck.
2) Rams - Already have Bradford
3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder
4) Browns - already have McCoy
5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen
6) Skinnies

I say stay where we are and let see what happens.[/quote]

It doesn't sound like the Browns are necessarily sold on Colt McCoy, and I think they could very well pick RG III if he's still on the board at #4.

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Freeman is a guy that I can see being moved.

McCoy sucks

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It's only January. For all we know, the Browns may stick with McCoy for another year. More will come out in the next couple months. The gut though is that they take RG3.

Just asking, any chance that the Colts DONT select a qb at #1 and wait late and pick someone like Foles or Tannehill? Or maybe wait until next year and take Barkley or Jones?

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[quote=chrisl13;875584]It's only January. For all we know, the Browns may stick with McCoy for another year. More will come out in the next couple months. The gut though is that they take RG3.

Just asking, any chance that the Colts DONT select a qb at #1 and rely heavily on Peyton?[/quote]

Luck will be a colt man........no way he doesnt have a horseshoe on his helmet next year

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[quote=Mechanix544;875585]Luck will be a colt man........no way he doesnt have a horseshoe on his helmet next year[/quote]

Assuming Peyton is 100%, you dont even see them taking someone late like Tannehill or Foles?

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[quote=Defensewins;875576]No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6.
Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us:

1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck.
2) Rams - Already have Bradford
3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder
4) Browns - already have McCoy
5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen
6) Skinnies

I say stay where we are and let see what happens.[/quote]
If you already have someone like Bradford etc you can let anyone trade into that spot.. I wouldn't call ponder a heavy investment though he was first round.. you think the browns are so set on McCoy that they wouldn't take rg3? Lol!

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[quote=chrisl13;875586]Assuming Peyton is 100%, you dont even see them taking someone late like Tannehill or Foles?[/quote]

I think there is no way in hell, by fair means or foul, by soft words and hard deeds...
by treachery, by cunning, by malpractice... they do not take multiple plunges unto the QB pool in FA and the draft this year.

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[quote=chrisl13;875586]Assuming Peyton is 100%, you dont even see them taking someone late like Tannehill or Foles?[/quote]

You won't know if Peyton is healthy until way after the draft. You can't hope and pray he lasts another 4 years. Them neglecting to draft his heir is what put them drafting at the #1 spot this year.

Only way the Colts don't draft Luck is if somehow their draft phone disconnects when they try to relay their pick to the commissioner.


I still laugh at the pitiful Skins fans still deluding themselves that somehow we draft up and select Luck. Why even set yourself up for disappointment like that?

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[quote=NC_Skins;875620]You won't know if Peyton is healthy until way after the draft. You can't hope and pray he lasts another 4 years. Them neglecting to draft his heir is what put them drafting at the #1 spot this year.

Only way the Colts don't draft Luck is if somehow their draft phone disconnects when they try to relay their pick to the commissioner.


I still laugh at the pitiful Skins fans still deluding themselves that somehow we draft up and select Luck. Why even set yourself up for disappointment like that?[/quote]

For the record, I never said I want us to select Luck. Im an RG3 guy. I was just asking hypothetically. You never know what may happen unless you're some kinda psychic, which you're not. We'll just have to wait until April 26.

But I still think Luck will be number 1 though :)

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[quote=chrisl13;875625]For the record, I never said I want us to select Luck. Im an RG3 guy. I was just asking hypothetically. You never know what may happen unless you're some kinda psychic, which you're not. We'll just have to wait until April 26.

But I still think Luck will be number 1 though :)[/quote]


That comment about Skins fans deluding themselves wasn't in reference to you or anybody on this site really.


You're right. We don't know, but I'm willing to bet anything I own that they draft Luck. That's how sure I am.

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I would do what ever it takes to get RG3. If it takes moving up to the number 2 pick giving up the 6th pick, next years 1st and this years 3rd so be it. You have to make the move, you have to solidify the position. Id sign Vince Young in the offseason. I know most of you won't like this move. But hey its what I would do.

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Right now I'm strongly considering the following.

1. Sign Flynn in the offseason. This does depend on how much competition is out there for Flynn. He's still very unproven, but he has upside and is relatively young. If we can get him for a reasonable contract, do it.
2. Draft Blackmon or Kalil with #6. If both of those players are gone, try to trade down and go best available offensive player. If no trading players, cry quietly and draft another DE that we'll move to OLB.
3. Take Foles or Tannehill in the 2nd (or trade up if necessary) to develop.

I would love to get RG3, but not sure if he's worth the price he'll cost to trade up. What I'd be willing to give up is not something STL would accept.

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[quote=Daseal;875632]Right now I'm strongly considering the following.

1. Sign Flynn in the offseason. This does depend on how much competition is out there for Flynn. He's still very unproven, but he has upside and is relatively young. If we can get him for a reasonable contract, do it.
2. Draft Blackmon or Kalil with #6. If both of those players are gone, try to trade down and go best available offensive player. If no trading players, cry quietly and draft another DE that we'll move to OLB.
3. Take Foles or Tannehill in the 2nd (or trade up if necessary) to develop.

I would love to get RG3, but not sure if he's worth the price he'll cost to trade up. What I'd be willing to give up is not something STL would accept.[/quote]
RG3 can't do anything more than he already has to show that he's going to be a star. An absolute star and I hope we're not watching what will be one of the most exciting players in the league on a different team.

And why on earth would we draft Kalil, BPA or not... We aren't any more than a 10 sack a season less football team. We have STUD left tackle, baring marijuana cravings.

Drafting a LT to play RT is one of my pet peeves, only dumb teams like Dallas do crazy things like this.

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He's not going anywhere most likely, but he will be a free agent...so the first thing I would do is my due diligence by at least finding out what it would cost to pry Brees from the Saints

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[quote=SmootSmack;875634]He's not going anywhere most likely, but he will be a free agent...so the first thing I would do is my due diligence by at least finding out what it would cost to pry Brees from the Saints[/quote]

More than we can afford.

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[quote=chrisl13;875514]Thats too much for RB3. I would like to get him in here. We would probably only need to give up 2012 1st, 2012 3rd, and 2013 1st to move into the 3rd spot just ahead of Cleveland, maybe a 2013 3rd too. We dont need to move to number 2 with the news that Jeff Fisher will coach the Rams. It was said that he wanted to coach a team with a qb in place so there is no way they go qb at number 2.[/quote]

I agree and I would not be opposed to something like this. Given that the difference between #3 and #6 is 600 points on the (sometimes disregarded) [URL="http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php"]trade value chart[/URL], we might even get away with giving up our 1st and 3rd in 2012 and our #2 in 2013. Jumping up to #3 to get RGIII is not a bad or overly expensive idea, all things considered. We need a star QB!

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[quote=SmootSmack;875634]He's not going anywhere most likely, but he will be a free agent...so the first thing I would do is my due diligence by at least finding out what it would cost to pry Brees from the Saints[/quote]

A little old, a lot expensive.

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[quote=SmootSmack;875634]He's not going anywhere most likely, but he will be a free agent...so the first thing I would do is my due diligence by at least finding out what it would cost to pry Brees from the Saints[/quote]

Without a doubt. The worst that happens is you find out "no" and move on...which is by far the likeliest scenario. But nothing ventured, nothing gained.

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[quote=skinsguy;875582]It doesn't sound like the Browns are necessarily sold on Colt McCoy, and I think they could very well pick RG III if he's still on the board at #4.[/quote]

The Browns may pursue Matt Flynn he is a free agent and Holmgrem could then use their pick to trade back with us or to any other team ( Dolphins, SeaHawks) who may want RGIII.

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[quote=SmootSmack;875634]He's not going anywhere most likely, but he will be a free agent...so the first thing I would do is my due diligence by at least finding out what it would cost to pry Brees from the Saints[/quote]

No way the Saints let Brees walk he means everthing to the team and the city of New Orleans.

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1. I agree with SS in just checking on Brees, if that happened I would still draft one of the Arizona QB in the second round.

2. I would offer Indy this year's 1st and 2nd and next year's 1st and 3rd for the Luck pick.

3. I would offer the Rams this year and next years 1st pick and a conditional 4th or 3rd round pick for Bradford if they like RG3.

4. With TJ Yates hype, I would check Schaub injury status and what it would take to move him. 2nd round and 5th for him. I would still draft a QB this year in the late 1st, 2nd or 3rd round.

5. I would offer this year and next year 1st pick plus a conditional 4th or 3rd this year to move up with Minnesota to take RG3.

6. I would peak at Hoyer in New England and offer a 4th or 3rd round pick for him, still drafting a QB in the second round this year.

7. If there is no move up scenario, I like the suggestion by Gtripp to sign Henne and still go with one of the Arizona QBs in the 2nd round.

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I'm assuming that you guys realize Bock Osweiler can't play football right?

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[quote=Defensewins;875576]No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6.
Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us:

1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck.
2) Rams - Already have Bradford
3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder
4) Browns - already have McCoy
5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen
6) Skinnies

I say stay where we are and let see what happens.[/quote]

Absolutely. Under no circumstances give up any draft picks to move up.

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[quote=irish;875685]Absolutely. Under no circumstances give up any draft picks to move up.[/quote]

McCoy..they're not sold on him and Shurmur loves RG3

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[quote=Defensewins;875576]No need to get you panties in a bunch to try and move up from #6.
Most if not all of the teams picking ahead of us are already heavily committed (big bucks) to young QB's. So what is our desperation to give away draft picks when we sit at #6? Look at who is picking ahead of us:

1) Colts - already have Peyton Manning and have a so many needs. They take Luck.
2) Rams - Already have Bradford
3) Vikings - heavily invested in Ponder
4) Browns - [B]already have McCoy[/B]
5) Tampa Bay - Already have Josh Freemen
6) Skinnies

I say stay where we are and let see what happens.[/quote]
No no no no no. They are not set at all on McCoy. They, especially shurmur, love RG3. That's where your wrong.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;875687]McCoy..they're not sold on him and Shurmur loves RG3[/quote]

I think they give mccoy one more year. Third year is suppose to be the QB make or break year.

They have two first round picks so they can get him some weapons and/or protection. Plus there defense wasn't that bad last year.

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[quote=SkinItup;875689]I think they give mccoy one more year. Third year is suppose to be the QB make or break year.

They have two first round picks so they can get him some weapons and/or protection. Plus there defense wasn't that bad last year.[/quote]

weapons, yeah, protection, no. Their OL is one of the best in the league. If you put a good QB behind it, they'd probably be getting sacked less than 10 times a year.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;875697]weapons, yeah, protection, no. Their OL is one of the best in the league. If you put a good QB behind it, they'd probably be getting sacked less than 10 times a year.[/quote]

While you can blame QBs on sacks, Cleveland gave up 39 sacks this seasons, that puts them in the top 15 in sacks allowed. I wouldn't call that having one of the best lines in the league. Although, they do play three tough defenses twice (the rest of the AFC North).

Tough predicament with the Browns, they really have no offensive weapons. And while they could trade up to get a RG3, they have a chance of improving their team a lot by not trading up.

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[quote=NC_Skins;875635]More than we can afford.[/quote]

Nonsense we are the richest team in the NFL. Nothing comes between us and our new big name free agent. :)