Redskins Name Ike Hilliard WR Coach
 

According to Larry Michael

Can't say I saw that one coming

He played in Tampa when Bruce Allen was there, and he was the WR coach with Haslett in the UFL

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[quote=SmootSmack;878194]According to Larry Michael

Can't say I saw that one coming

He played in Tampa when Bruce Allen was there, and he was the WR coach with Haslett in the UFL[/quote]

He was also a reciever with the Giants mostly in the late 90's, early 2000's with Toomer,good reciever ,good guy...know nothing about him as a coach.

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I hope he's a better coach than he was a wide receiver. I can't remember him doing anything special in his NFL career.

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[quote=Giantone;878203]He was also a reciever with the Giants mostly in the late 90's, early 2000's with Toomer,good reciever ,good guy...know nothing about him as a coach.[/quote]

I remember him. I was a little kid then. ;)

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[quote=mooby;878210]I hope he's a better coach than he was a wide receiver. I can't remember him doing anything special in his NFL career.[/quote]


lol....and ex Giant .....must make you happy.

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[quote=Giantone;878220]lol....and ex Giant .....must make you happy.[/quote]


From wiki....


[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ike_Hilliard]Ike Hilliard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

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...the hell? Hope this works better than the other ex-WR turned coach.

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Ok. I'm indifferent about that choice. I'd have prefered Jerry Rice if we were going after ex players. Atleast his training regimend could do nothing but make our WRs better.

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Don't know how to feel about this yet.

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Bring back Malcolm Kelly! Ike will make him an All-Pro!

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[quote=Giantone;878220]lol....and ex Giant .....must make you happy.[/quote]

Tbh, out of our 3 NFCE rivals, I dislike the Giants the least. It's just easier to hate on them when they're in the SB for the 2nd time in 4 years, and people are talking about Eli as a potential HOFer if he wins his second ring.

As far as Ike Hilliard goes, I couldn't care less who he played for. If Michael Irvin came to coach the wideouts, I wouldn't give a crap as long as he made the players better. Bottom line I want coaches who can coach. Everything else is [I]mostly[/I] irrelevant.

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[quote=SBXVII;878227]Ok. I'm indifferent about that choice. I'd have prefered Jerry Rice if we were going after ex players. Atleast his training regimend could do nothing but make our WRs better.[/quote]

When was Rice ever a WR coach?

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You guys act like being an Hall of fame player automatically makes one a great coach and all great coaches have been great players.

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[quote=diehard;878241]You guys act like being an Hall of fame player automatically makes one a great coach.[/quote]

I would say it probably wouldn't. HOF players have a unique blend of talent and smarts. You can teach smarts but you can't teach talent. They probably have a flawed perspective on what it takes to be successful because of their unique talent.

That's partly why I didn't want DG to come here and be secondary coach. He was blessed with unique talent, and I don't think he's qualified to coach at all. He would've had a better shot at becoming coach if he started the right way as a quality control guy then worked his way up the ranks.

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[quote=diehard;878241]You guys act like being an Hall of fame player automatically makes one a great coach.[/quote]

Yep, and it's often the great players that don't even make the best coaches.

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[quote=mooby;878245]I would say it probably wouldn't. HOF players have a unique blend of talent and smarts. You can teach smarts but you can't teach talent. They probably have a flawed perspective on what it takes to be successful because of their unique talent.

That's partly why I didn't want DG to come here and be secondary coach. He was blessed with unique talent, and I don't think he's qualified to coach at all. He would've had a better shot at becoming coach if he started the right way as a quality control guy then worked his way up the ranks.[/quote]

Green works from a higher power. He has leadership qualities too.

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[quote=diehard;878249]Green works from a higher power. He has leadership qualities too.[/quote]

That's great and all, but coaching is just as much about teaching as it is about leading.

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I remember him from Madden.

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As long as he is a good teacher

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[quote=diehard;878249]Green works from a higher power. He has leadership qualities too.[/quote]

Not to hear it from his former coaches and teammates.

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I always heard kind of a.....mixed bag about DG's personality. Some good....some not. But....all my info is 3rd, 4th, 5th hand at best.

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[quote=Mattyk;878246]Yep, and it's often the great players that don't even make the best coaches.[/quote]

In fact, many of the greatest players have turned out to be less than average as a coach...

Otto Graham
Norm Van Brocklin
Art Shell
Mike Singletary
Forrest Gregg
Bart Starr
Tom Fears

I believe all of them are in the HoF... and none of them had "anything near distinguished" coaching careers.

Yes, Mike Ditka was a great player and he had a good run with the Bears. His time with the Saints - - not so much.

Yes, Bud Grant was a good player and had a good time as coach in Minnesota.

Yes, Dick LeBeau was a hell of a player and is a damned good DC.

Mike Munchak's first year as a HC has been promising...

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;878275]In fact, many of the greatest players have turned out to be less than average as a coach...

Otto Graham
Norm Van Brocklin
Art Shell
Mike Singletary
Forrest Gregg
Bart Starr
Tom Fears

I believe all of them are in the HoF... and none of them had "anything near distinguished" coaching careers.

Yes, Mike Ditka was a great player and he had a good run with the Bears. His time with the Saints - - not so much.

Yes, Bud Grant was a good player and had a good time as coach in Minnesota.

Yes, Dick LeBeau was a hell of a player and is a damned good DC.

Mike Munchak's first year as a HC has been promising...[/quote]
How could you forget the immortal Seahawks QB....Jim Zorn? Stay medium my friend.

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[quote=mooby;878234]Tbh, out of our 3 NFCE rivals, I dislike the Giants the least. It's just easier to hate on them when they're in the SB for the 2nd time in 4 years, and people are talking about Eli as a potential HOFer if he wins his second ring.

.[/quote]

.......not by me,but one stat that I did think was intreresting was that of the last 6 or 7 super bowls, ...4 have been started by a Manning.

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[quote=Lotus;878230]Bring back Malcolm Kelly! Ike will make him an All-Pro![/quote]

To be an All Pro don't you have to actually be on the field and playing though? Oh... unless your refering to him being an All Pro Example as to what not to do then I guess you have a point.

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[quote=SmootSmack;878240]When was Rice ever a WR coach?[/quote]

Um never, which is my point. I didn't think McCardell would do all that well with whatever coaching he had prior to the Skins if any at all, I'm not holding my breath on Ike either. But one would have to think if any of them (players) had a chance it would be Rice over any of them because all he would have to do is run them through his work out routine which was supposed to be tough and made him and a few others who worked out with him better.

At least Rice stands out. As another poster said Ike really doesn't stand out.

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[quote=Hog1;878274]I always heard kind of a.....mixed bag about DG's personality. Some good....some not. But....all my info is 3rd, 4th, 5th hand at best.[/quote]

I don't know why people just want to knock DG. Yes he was self centered and he would only do interviews if he could announce his organization but people fail to remember he took smoot one summer and coached him and smoot was a beast after. He took bailey and did the same. So I have no doubts DG would be a great coach.

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[quote=SBXVII;878319]Um never, which is my point. I didn't think McCardell would do all that well with whatever coaching he had prior to the Skins if any at all, I'm not holding my breath on Ike either. But one would have to think if any of them (players) had a chance it would be Rice over any of them because all he would have to do is run them through his work out routine which was supposed to be tough and made him and a few others who worked out with him better.

At least Rice stands out. As another poster said Ike really doesn't stand out.[/quote]

So you choose Rice over Ike because of Rice's workout routine, and pretty much just want to cast aside Ike's coaching experience? I see

Incidentally, I didn't know this but apparently Ike was choice #2 behind Keenan a couple of years ago. Some say he was actually the first choice but turned down the offer

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[quote=SBXVII;878320]I don't know why people just want to knock DG. Yes he was self centered and he would only do interviews if he could announce his organization but people fail to remember he took smoot one summer and coached him and smoot was a beast after. He took bailey and did the same. So I have no doubts DG would be a great coach.[/quote]

If DG really wanted to be a coach, he would go about it the right way and work his way up through the ranks. Some doubt whether he would really be interested in the coaching grind, and if his ego would allow him to start at the bottom and work his way up.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;878275]In fact, many of the greatest players have turned out to be less than average as a coach...

Otto Graham
Norm Van Brocklin
Art Shell
Mike Singletary
Forrest Gregg
Bart Starr
Tom Fears

I believe all of them are in the HoF... and none of them had "anything near distinguished" coaching careers.

Yes, Mike Ditka was a great player and he had a good run with the Bears. His time with the Saints - - not so much.

Yes, Bud Grant was a good player and had a good time as coach in Minnesota.

Yes, Dick LeBeau was a hell of a player and is a damned good DC.

Mike Munchak's first year as a HC has been promising...[/quote]

To step out of football to reinforce this point, Magic Johnson was very candid years ago about his attempts at coaching. He admitted he just didn't have the patience w/players. Same thing for Jordan when he took to the floor w/the Wizards. While he wasn't the coach per se, having worked in the front office he was expected to mentor & guide the young guys. He had a lot of guys turn on him.

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[quote=SBXVII;878320]I don't know why people just want to knock DG. Yes he was self centered and he would only do interviews if he could announce his organization but people fail to remember he took smoot one summer and coached him and smoot was a beast after. He took bailey and did the same. So I have no doubts DG would be a great coach.[/quote]

Except that Champ, according to SS, stated that DG didn't do anything to help him out much.

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Can we get Fred Smoot to coach the DB's, John Riggins for RB's, isnt Heath Shuler already coaching the QB's, Moe Elewonibi for oline. I love the offseason, Darrell Green=Great player his personality=tool.

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[quote=SBXVII;878320]I don't know why people just want to knock DG. Yes he was self centered and he would only do interviews if he could announce his organization but people fail to remember he took smoot one summer and coached him and smoot was a beast after. He took bailey and did the same. So I have no doubts DG would be a great coach.[/quote]

DG wasn't a good "leader" and nor would he be a good coach. I've heard more than one person comment on DG's lack of leadership due to his "me" personality. Me people don't make good leaders. Simple as that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;878322]So you choose Rice over Ike because of Rice's workout routine, and pretty much just want to cast aside Ike's coaching experience? I see

Incidentally, I didn't know this but apparently Ike was choice #2 behind Keenan a couple of years ago. Some say he was actually the first choice but turned down the offer[/quote]

No my point is there have been WR's in the past (I can't remember whom) that have worked out during the summer with Rice in his playing days and basically said his work out routines were difficult and by far the best they have ever had. Plus the few who had said it made them play better during the season. Maybe he's only good one-on-one IDK but he seems to know how to pass on his skill to other WR's which is what I think most of us would want. Which is why I brought up DG. Apparently he knows how to pass on his skills.

As far as Ike, I hope it works out. Just because he had some success with Haslett in the UFL doesn't mean he will do well in the NFL, but I hope he does. We need him to.

I'll agree with you and Matty about one thing though... working their way up through the ranks is how its supposed to happen. Be humble and work your way up... as in any other job. Rice probably wouldn't want to coach and for some reason I picture him commentating for someone. DG could probably do a lot better handing his organization off to someone else to run and doing what you all suggest.... working his way up through the ranks of coaching. Namely for two reasons....

1- he could make decent money to put towards his organization and probably get other players involved as well to support it.
and...
2- when he's interviewing he could (yet again) mention it which would be good advertising.

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[quote=FRPLG;878349]Except that Champ, according to SS, stated that DG didn't do anything to help him out much.[/quote]

Maybe not, but I clearly remember Champ playing like S#!% prior to DG working out with him and then playing 10x better after. He doesn't need to give credit to DG, those of us who watched the games back then know the truth. Same with Smoot, he played half decent but was a lot of times out of position to make plays, then DG took him one summer and he played better after.

I thought Carlos mentioned one year he was going to go work out with DG, but I don't know if it actually happened. If he did it might be the first case were someone really didn't improve much after being with him.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;878350]Can we get Fred Smoot to coach the DB's, John Riggins for RB's, isnt Heath Shuler already coaching the QB's, Moe Elewonibi for oline. I love the offseason, Darrell Green=Great player his personality=tool.[/quote]

I got the sarcasm, it's funny, I like what you did.... all the way up until you mentioned Heath Shuler. Has to be the worst pick the Skins ever picked and people always want to bring him up.

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[quote=SBXVII;878356]Maybe not, but I clearly remember Champ playing like S#!% prior to DG working out with him and then playing 10x better after. He doesn't need to give credit to DG, those of us who watched the games back then know the truth. Same with Smoot, he played half decent but was a lot of times out of position to make plays, then DG took him one summer and he played better after.

I thought Carlos mentioned one year he was going to go work out with DG, but I don't know if it actually happened. If he did it might be the first case were someone really didn't improve much after being with him.[/quote]

I remember Champ basically being awesome from day one.

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Champ was a stud from day one as a rookie, and Smoot was pretty much always what he was, a decent #2.

I think you're giving way too much credit to DG here SBXVII. Did these guys perhaps pick up some good tips from DG? Sure. But it's not like he waved his magic wand and turned these guys into all-pros.

It's not like DG was any sort of great technician anyway. He relied primarily on his speed and you can't teach that, obviously.

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[quote=Mattyk;878369]Champ was a stud from day one as a rookie, and Smoot was pretty much always what he was, a decent #2.

I think you're giving way too much credit to DG here SBXVII. Did these guys perhaps pick up some good tips from DG? Sure. But it's not like he waved his magic wand and turned these guys into all-pros.

It's not like DG was any sort of great technician anyway. [B]He relied primarily on his speed and you can't teach that, obviously[/B].[/quote]

and... I'll agree with this as well. Only because he was caught out of positons many times too and made up for hit with his speed to get back into the play.

But what is a coach going to teach anyway? basics, technique, and on rare occassions how to beat a specific move the WR has. What it boils down to is the individual CB's skills and speed. If he's slow then he need to keep the cusion between him and the WR. If he's got speed then he can use more pressure at the LOS. I think we see a lot of cusion because our WR's can't run with the horses all the time and don't want to get caught behind the play.