How the 49ers/Texans changed my view on Football and how to build the redskins
 

Before the past few weeks, I thought that offense (specifically a franchise qb) was really the only way to win in the nfl today. I'm not so sure how sustainable the 49ers team will be with having to retain their free agents an whatnot, but I believe that they were clearly the best team in the nfl this year. They dominated the giants, and if not for TWO crucial mistakes by their backup punt-returner, I believe they would have won.

The Texans (with schaub) and the 49ers I believe were the best two teams in the nfl this year, with consistently great defense and consistently good offense, running the ball.

I'm going to ignore talking about the afc, because I dont think they had any really good teams this year, and the patriots had a relatively easy schedule to the superbowl. Brady played like junk, the pats turned the ball over 3 times, the pats D looked atrocious, and they still won against the Ravens. That is more of a swipe at the Ravens then a compliment to the pats. And the Broncos wasn't really even a real game.

It seems like teams with great pressure due to talent as opposed to scheme were the dominant ones this year. The Giants have their JPP, Osi, Tuck, Canty, and Kiwanuka. The 49ers Front 3 had amazing push every play against the Giants, and don't even get me started on their linebackers. The texans Front 7 with JJ watt looked great. It really seemed to me like My top 3 teams this year (when healthy), were the 49ers, Giants, and Texans. I didn't see teams that were able to defeat their dominating pressure (when they performed well). All these teams also have great O-lines, and above average secondariness. This seems to be an good formula in todays NFL.

Our offense is not going to be elite anytime soon, but can get up to the 49ers/Texans level if we get a good O-linemen, and a good QB in FA (Flynn and Myers I'm thinking...I'd also like Terrell Thomas but that is a backup option). I think focusing on our defense in this draft, and offense in Free Agency could be a great route to go. Quinton Coples at DE to get a great push with our 6th pick, and Some ILB or CB with our second pick. Our Front 7 is solid by the numbers, but I think that had more to do with scheme than talent. I rarely saw a good rush from 4 guys....it seemed most sacks came from 6 man pressures. And I just don't think our Corners are adequate to be considered to be above average. It would also be nice to get a thumper in the middle of our D.

Just another option I see. Granted it would be hard to pull off, considering we are not the only bidders and there is a salary cap. I used to be sold on franchise qb or bust, but now I'm thinking adequate QB, with good O-line, with great front 7, and an above average secondary could be another formula. I also think its more of a "win now" formula as opposed to what I previously thought where we would need to groom a qb. Adequate everywhere is not good enough. We need dominance somewhere on our team. It seems to me like the front 7 is the best way to go in that department.

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Is it wrong I thought this was a RexKelly thread?

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Where would Couples play in your scenario? Fact is a franchise QB is necessary case in point two of them are in the SB. Last time there were no franchise QBs in the SB was 2002.

2003- Brady vs. Delhomme
2004- Brady vs. McNabb
2005- Roethlisberger vs. Hasselbeck
2006- P Manning vs. Grossman
2007- E. Manning vs. Brady
2008- Roethlisberger vs. Warner
2009- P. Manning vs. Brees
2010- Rodgers vs. Roethlisberger
2011- E. Manning vs. Brady
2012- EARTHQUAKE2689 vs. SmootSmack

Franchise QB the way to go. Also, the Packers were the best team in the regular season.

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[quote=Mattyk;881852]check my blog yo[/quote]

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RIP RexKelly.

Skinster, I think your original intuition about the need for a big-time QB was the correct one.

Certainly a defense which brings strong pressure from the front seven is important, too, as you indicate. And a running game is always helpful. But to me the 2011 Colts are a case in point that you have to have a big-time signal caller. Your examples of the 49ers and Texans are good. But don't forget that both of those teams had QB's who played like big-time QB's at least temporarily, whether those QB's are really big-time in the long run or not.

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Have to say, when I saw the Texans draft, I was like, "ZOMG!!!11 If these guys work out, their defense is going to be nasty." I think they were the least talked about elite defense in the league this year.

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Speaking of the Texans, that just reminds me that one thing that depresses me a ton is our lack of Victor Cruzes and Arian Fosters. I think our draft strategy has gotten a lot better, but rather than getting a role player late in the draft, when do we finally get an above average starter in the late rounds?

I get so jealous when I look at the value other teams have gotten in undrafted or late round picks. My hate for Tony Romo is well-documented, but he's been to the Pro Bowl after being an undrafted guy. The Cowboys didn't have to spend a 1st round pick praying that they didn't miss.

I just want that to be us, just once, then I can be satisfied for the next few years.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;881877]Speaking of the Texans, that just reminds me that one thing that depresses me a ton is our lack of Victor Cruzes and Arian Fosters. I think our draft strategy has gotten a lot better, but rather than getting a role player late in the draft, when do we finally get an above average starter in the late rounds?

I get so jealous when I look at the value other teams have gotten in undrafted or late round picks. My hate for Tony Romo is well-documented, but he's been to the Pro Bowl after being an undrafted guy. The Cowboys didn't have to spend a 1st round pick praying that they didn't miss.

I just want that to be us, just once, then I can be satisfied for the next few years.[/quote]

On the flip side we are sure to have a team break a team record against us.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881886]On the flip side we are sure to have a team break a team record against us.[/quote]

HA, nice memory of 90% of my posts in the game threads. :(

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The key to winning in the NFL is having a great pass rush/DL, Good OL, and Good QB. WR's RBs aren't as crucial as your QB is.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;881887]HA, nice memory of 90% of my posts in the game threads. :([/quote]

Just like you I loved watching those every week.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881889]Just like you I loved watching those every week.[/quote]

So true though. I think the one thing that we need and the Skins can't draft, even with trading 10 1st round picks is simply some dumb luck.

I remember reading this article a few weeks ago about how the Skins don't even get the benefit of the law of averages. We recovered around 20% of lost fumbles when almost all teams average about 40-50%. How many times have we seen Tony Romo fumble a ball that bounces directly back into his hand to throw a pass for a first down?

If Grossman did that, the other team would recover the ball, run for a touchdown with it, spike it and the resulting tremor from said spike would kill Grossman's dog.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;881894]So true though. I think the one thing that we need and the Skins can't draft, even with trading 10 1st round picks is simply some dumb luck.

I remember reading this article a few weeks ago about how the Skins don't even get the benefit of the law of averages. We recovered around 20% of lost fumbles when almost all teams average about 40-50%. How many times have we seen Tony Romo fumble a ball that bounces directly back into his hand to throw a pass for a first down?

If Grossman did that, the other team would recover the ball, run for a touchdown with it, spike it and the resulting tremor from said spike would kill Grossman's dog.[/quote]

When shit like that happens, I just laugh otherwise I would throw butter at my wife in frustration.

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49ers and Texans have an identity. Strong o-line and running game, tough defense. Jim Harbaugh gave the 49ers exactly what they needed... an identity. I think that formula won 3 Super Bowls around here. What's the identity here?????????????? Let Kyle call his silly pass plays with a below average QB and swiss cheese o-line so he can turn the ball over? What's the identity of the defense? This team needs an identity in the worst way.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;881895]When shit like that happens, I just laugh otherwise I would throw butter at my wife in frustration.[/quote]

I definitely laugh, but then I cry inside.

That and the injuries. If we can truly stay away from that next year, we're going to be a damn force. I DO wish somehow we could dump D. Hall and just get someone solid. I think that's the next big piece in our defense. Jenkins coming back is going to be huge in that rotation (provided we resign Carriker).

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[quote=skinsfan69;881896]49ers and Texans have an identity. Strong o-line and running game, tough defense. Jim Harbaugh gave the 49ers exactly what they needed... an identity. I think that formula won 3 Super Bowls around here. What's the identity here?????????????? Let Kyle call his silly pass plays with a below average QB and swiss cheese o-line so he can turn the ball over? What's the identity of the defense? This team needs an identity in the worst way.[/quote]

I think our defense is close to having one. I think the switch to the 3-4 had some major growing pains, but we're putting pressure on the QB with our defensive line finally.

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I like RexKelly.

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I bet somewhere RexKelly's blogs are burning.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;881897]I definitely laugh, but then I cry inside.

That and the injuries. If we can truly stay away from that next year, we're going to be a damn force. I DO wish somehow we could dump D. Hall and just get someone solid. I think that's the next big piece in our defense. Jenkins coming back is going to be huge in that rotation (provided we resign Carriker).[/quote]

We will probably go CB in round 2. Maybe Janoris Jenkins or Alfonzo Denard falls.

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One thing both franchises did was build through the draft extensively

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Problem is...Alex Smith was never meant to be a plug-in filler. #1 overall picks have far higher expectations than that. He was chosen with those expectations in mind. That 49ers were able to field a good team still is that 1. they lost a lot of games(thanks to shitty QB play and a shitty secondary), and 2. They didn't piss away picks while losing, and 3. used FA judiciously. We are already building the 49ers way, except that we're in 2008, not 2011, minus the coaching change.

And I forgot...new head coach.

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No one has said it's impossible to have a good season without a franchise QB. however, being a championship contender on a yearly basis is pretty much impossible these days without one.

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The Texans lost their franchise QB and went from a Super Bowl favorite to a playoff also ran. I'm really not sure why that would teach you that franchise QBs aren't crucial to being a SB contender.

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Who is RexKelly? and why oh why did he pick that name....

Rex Grossman and Jim Kelly? His two favorite QBs?

Read that blog, I have to say he needs a little work. If you read this Rex, good luck.

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Welcome to "the PATH" biffle!

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;881999]Who is RexKelly? and why oh why did he pick that name....

Rex Grossman and Jim Kelly? His two favorite QBs?

Read that blog, I have to say he needs a little work. If you read this Rex, good luck.[/quote]

Rex Grossman and Malcolm Kelly

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wow....

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[quote=biffle;881941]The Texans lost their franchise QB and went from a Super Bowl favorite to a playoff also ran. I'm really not sure why that would teach you that franchise QBs aren't crucial to being a SB contender.[/quote]

This, for the win.

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[quote=biffle;881941]The Texans lost their franchise QB and went from a Super Bowl favorite to a playoff also ran. I'm really not sure why that would teach you that franchise QBs aren't crucial to being a SB contender.[/quote]

haha...this thread is over...

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[quote=celts32;882084]haha...this thread is over...[/quote]

yeah, they have good QB's, but not elite ones!

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The Houston Texans were an also ran this postseason? Really?

My recollection has them as the team that took the Ravens down to the wire in Baltimore the week before the Ravens nearly took the Pats out on the road in the AFC Championship. But maybe I just have a selective memory.

Bottom line is despite losing their quarterback, they still were in the discussion as the best team in the AFC at the end of the year. The spin in this thread is incredible.

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no more grossman starting!!!We cant win with a bumb nobody can show me the last bumb in the superbowl it was grossman with the bears

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[quote=GTripp0012;882097]The Houston Texans were an also ran this postseason? Really?

My recollection has them as the team that took the Ravens down to the wire in Baltimore the week before the Ravens nearly took the Pats out on the road in the AFC Championship. But maybe I just have a selective memory.

Bottom line is despite losing their quarterback, they still were in the discussion as the best team in the AFC at the end of the year. The spin in this thread is incredible.[/quote]

Calling them an also ran is a bit over the top, but they definitely would have had a better shot with Schaub at the helm.

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[quote=Mattyk;882131]Calling them an also ran is a bit over the top, but they definitely would have had a better shot with Schaub at the helm.[/quote]

If Schaub and Johnson were 100% I feel this Sunday is Giants v. Texans. First off the road to the SB would have come through Houston.

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[quote=Mattyk;882131]Calling them an also ran is a bit over the top, but they definitely would have had a better shot with Schaub at the helm.[/quote]Certainly, but it's hardly a guarantee that they would have gotten any further, just of higher expectations.

Which was really my point: if the number one thing having a healthy, well-respected quarterback is that expecatations will be higher, I'm not sure why that's preferable over finding an elite pass rusher, an elite playmaker on offense, or an all-pro safety. The Texans had stability at quarterback for years and years, which helped them build a defense, but it's ironic at the least and telling at the most that for years the Texans couldn't win anything and then Schaub gets hurt and then they end up in the same place they appeared to be heading before he got hurt.

They probably win 11 or 12 games in the regular season if Schaub starts 16 games, but that's probably true of Andre Johnson as well.

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[quote=GTripp0012;882097]The Houston Texans were an also ran this postseason? Really?

My recollection has them as the team that took the Ravens down to the wire in Baltimore the week before the Ravens nearly took the Pats out on the road in the AFC Championship. But maybe I just have a selective memory.

Bottom line is despite losing their quarterback, they still were in the discussion as the best team in the AFC at the end of the year. The spin in this thread is incredible.[/quote]

Well, they lost to the team that lost to the team that lost to the champs. I guess you can believe that makes them a hair from the title if you'd like.

They were the best team in the AFC with Schaub. WIthout him, they limped in and got a win over the worst team in the playoffs, and then were knocked out.

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[quote=biffle;882442]Well, they lost to the team that lost to the team that lost to the champs. I guess you can believe that makes them a hair from the title if you'd like.

They were the best team in the AFC with Schaub. WIthout him, they limped in and got a win over the worst team in the playoffs, and then were knocked out.[/quote]All of that's true but none of that means that they weren't necessarily still the best team in the AFC. By the end of the season, the Texans defense was almost surely the premier defense in the conference, and that whole limping in thing happened, in large part, because Andre Johnson was limping.

As well as the Schaub thing. The debate as to who is more important to the Texans was not solved. But if you had thought before that Arian Foster was just reaping the benefits of Schaub/Johnson, that was proven wrong.