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I realize gardner's tenure with the redskins my not be over but i'm gonna ask anyway. Who was the bigger first round bust for the redskins. Rod gardner or michael westbrook.

Heath Shular!!

I would have to go with Gardner. Westbrook usually cought what was thrown to him, more so than Gardner has recently.

Definitely Westbrook. Gardner has been frustrating but he's played in every game and his worst year of his first four was better than the best of Westbrook's first four

Gardner isn't all that bad really

Westbrook. I Believe He Was Billed As The Next Irvin. Ha

Defiently Westbrook his expectation's were much higher than Gardner, nobody was real sure what to expect from Gardner.

Westbrook hands down. Gardner wasn't THAT bad. He made mistakes, stupid mistakes, but he made some huge plays. How many 1K yard seasons did Westbrook have?

Westbrook had exactly the same 1k seasons as Gardner had. 1, Westbrook had his in 1999 and Gardner had his in 2002 or sometime around there.

They're both disappointments, I wouldn't call the busts, just disappointing.

I'd call Westbrook a bust and Gardner a typical first roudn receiver. Westbrook had basically no career after the Skins. He never lived up to the top ten pick we waste on him and the only notable thing he ever did was go Judo on the Redskins single season rushing leader. Gardner is a decent receiver for sure. He probably has a good 6 or 7 year career ahead of him and could end up in the 500-600 catch range if he finds the right situation. What he isn't is a game changing type receiver that we need. He is a good number two on a balanced offensive team. Most first round receivers end up in this mold. Only a few go on to be great players. First round WRs are the bigest crap shoot but also carry the least risk since basically you know you're at least going to get a decent ball player. It is such a skill position that if they show any acumen in college you'll know whether they are good enough or not. Whether they become great or not depends on system and intangibles. Gardners doesn't seem to have much in the intangibles category.

Matty:

It's OK to be nasty. You can call them "busts" instead of "disappointing" and we won't think you've gone totally over to the dark side. :laughing-

Expectations for Westbrook were higher than for Gardner and neither came close to living up to whatever expecation level was set for them. I think Westbrook was the bigger problem for the Skins because he was involved in some "internal team issues" that were less than wonderful and Gardner seems not to have had that dimension to his game.

I have to conclude that Gardner is not anywhere near a MENSA candidate though. Remember, he's the guy who had his car stolen when he gave the keys to some guy posing as a valet parking attendant. As they say in the Guinness commercials: BRILLIANT!!

Yeah the more I think about it I think it's safe to call Westbrook a bust because of how high of a pick he was, the expectation level was definitely a lot higher for Westbrook compared to Gardner.

Westbrook = bust
Gardner = disappointment

Westbrook. He was a top five pick? right? Westbrook just was a total and complete bust, I wouldnt really call Gardner a bust. He is still an overall decent wide reciver, he's just inconsistant. I know thats huge for a wide out, but I think you see what I'm saying; If I had a team right now and I had to pick the two guys, I'd take Gardner easily.

Hold on there, guys. Westbrook and Gardner are closer than you might think.

We have to remember that Westbrook never had much of a quarterback to work with -- Gardner was slightly more fortunate in that regard.

Michael Westbrook was simply one cog in the wheel of really bad teams that were constantly overhauling under a bad coach. In '99, when things finally started to come together, and there was an equally imposing threat from Albert Connell, Westbrook had a good year. The main problem with him was his injury bug.

True, injuries did plague Westbrook. The guy looked like he was carved from stone but he was constantly nicked up and then he ripped up his knee in '00.

THAT's right. I forgot why he was injured. That knee was what eventually was his undoing right?

Definitely Westbrook. When he came to DC, he said he would put up Jerry Rice numbers...but as Kornheiser would say....he put up Condoleeza Rice numbers instead.

I don't remember too much about him, I just remember he was cut as hell. Too bad he didn't pan out. At least drafting has had much more success as of late: Ramsey, Taylor, Cooley, Arrington. The past few years have brought a few above average to excellent players to the team.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I don't remember too much about him, I just remember he was cut as hell. Too bad he didn't pan out. At least drafting has had much more success as of late: Ramsey, Taylor, Cooley, Arrington. The past few years have brought a few above average to excellent players to the team.[/QUOTE]


Do you remember when he KO'ed Stephen Davis @ Training camp?

Stephen Davis shouldn't talk shit and not expect to get clocked.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Do you remember when he KO'ed Stephen Davis @ Training camp?[/QUOTE]

LOL Funny, that's my only concrete memory about him!

[QUOTE=Daseal]Stephen Davis shouldn't talk shit and not expect to get clocked.[/QUOTE]

He could have at least confronted him face to face instead of sucker punching him. Nobody deserves to be sucker punched, well maybe Freddie Mitchell! LOL

I agree the Westbrook was a bust, but the jury is still out on Gardner. For the Skins, he hasn't worked out, but I'd like to see what he does for the remainder of his career before calling him a "bust".

Westbrook was a textbook definition of a bust. A very high pick that amounted to nothing.

Gardner was a mid 1st rounder without a whole lot of big expectations and although his Redskins carreeris a bust I guess it's a little early to lable his whole carreer a bust. I do think he will be a bust when it's all said and done.

Westbrook was definitely a bust! Very Very high expectations for him and now look at 'em! Gardner has just been a disappointment. He didn't have the reputation as being the next Michael Irvin or Jerry Rice as what the sports media had billed MW as! However, since Gardner's rookie season, he has progressively gotten worse. Maybe a change in scenary will do him some good!

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No one in their right mind could ever think that Roddy is anywhere near the spectacular bust that was the 'vette driving, 15mil a year making, self-nicknamed "mr. playmaker himself." If it were'nt for Heath Shuler and Desmond Howard, Westbrook would be a strong candidate for worst Skins pick of the 90s.

Ughhhhhhh.... Heath Shuler. That makes my mind explode whenever I hear that name.

Worst pick of the Skins in recent memory, OL Andre Johnson picked with the 30th overall pick in '96.

If I remember correctly he didn't even make the team.

Anyone here remember Walter Berry back in 1985?....yeah, no one else does either

Though I think he may have been a second rounder, but he was the Skins top pick that year.

It's amazing how people can see such promise in a college player and not even make it on a pro-team.

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Worst pick of the Skins in recent memory, OL Andre Johnson picked with the 30th overall pick in '96.

If I remember correctly he didn't even make the team.[/QUOTE]


Wow, I dont remember that. He must have been absolutley horrible.

Taylor Jacobs (high 2nd round pick) has been more of a bust than these two guys. At least MW and RG have had a productive year or two. Taylor Jacobs has been a scurb/no show and a softy.

How about we give Jacobs a chance, his rookie year was shot due to a freak injury. It's premature to call him a bust IMO.

I don't know if he's a bust. I'd love to see what he can do. He can absolutely fly and he has yet to be given his fair chance. God knows, there are quite a few who would give Gardner a second chance (previously I did).

So what this post is saying accoruding to history, we shouldn't draft a WR with our 9th slot in the first round.............