The Reason Art Monk isnt in the Hall
 

I know there is a thread about this; however, I didnt want this to get lost. I'm reading a interview on cnnsi.com, with Dr.Z , he was talking about what went on inside of the room when they were voting. I know many of us were uspet that Monk was left out of the hall, but rest easy, because Dr. Z has made me feel so much better.... Dr.Z and GMANC711 present to you the reason that Art Monk did not make the hall of fame this year.....


"SI.COM: How about Art Monk?

Dr. Z: Monk was hurt by Michael Irvin being eligible this year. It's done alphabetically, and Irvin was presented before Monk. I think that really hurt him."


The Reason Art Monk got f*cked again, is because M comes after I in the alphabet.

Heres the link if anyone wants to read that bullcrap.[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/dr_z/02/05/hof.qa/index.html[/url]

That's just lame. I mean I think the other way around might make some more sense because you could say Irvin is fresher in everyone's minds when the actual final voting is done.

Next time they should just go by first names since [B]A[/B]rt comes before [B]M[/B]ichael

I CAN'T BELIEVE HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT! My God. I mean at least MAKE SOMETHING UP that sounds more feasible than that. Jeebus.

[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]I CAN'T BELIEVE HE ACTUALLY SAID THAT! My God. I mean at least MAKE SOMETHING UP that sounds more feasible than that. Jeebus.[/QUOTE]

Seriously. If he said Irvin was more insturmental to his team, or more important to his team, I could disagree with it, but at least its a real reason.

or maybe this:

"SI.COM: How about Art Monk?

Dr Z: Monk was hurt by the fact that Irvin hooked us up with some nice quality cocaine and hookers that were on point! Monk's fruit basket was nice but we're talking Hall of Fame ballots here

[QUOTE=smootsmack]or maybe this:

"SI.COM: How about Art Monk?

Dr Z: Monk was hurt by the fact that Irvin hooked us up with some nice quality cocaine and hookers that were on point! Monk's fruit basket was nice but we're talking Hall of Fame ballots here[/QUOTE]

:lol:

How do we get Smootsmack on the HOF voting team??? :thumb:

I can't think of a case where a QB has the same number of records and superbowl win as Monk and isn't in the hall. The fact that he was a wide receiver hurt him. 22 1st string football positions, 2 QB's were "locks" for 2 of the 6 openings. Every other position is going against the odds. That's just the way it is. The Skins won with three different QB's, three different RB's but Monk and Grimm were there for each. These guys need to think a little harder.

The only way now Monk will make the Hall of Fame is if he gets in the press booth or pregame as sad as that sounds. He would have to get his face out there and become popular. Or he could always hook up with some cocaine and hookers.
Edit: I would say he could be dead by the time he gets in. Look for next year or soon after that he wont even make the top 10.

If the alphabet is the reason for Monk not getting into the Hall of Fame then how can you explain Steve [B]Y[/B]oung???

Monk did what he did on the football field with CLASS and QUIET DIGNITY..........
not "flashy" enough for for the hall of fame..........no bimbos, no drugs, and Monk doesn't have his own clothing line........ GRRRRRRRRRRRR :cussing:
And as Darrell Green pointed out Irvin pushed off all the time too ...........
And if you read some of the columns here in Texas bemoaning the fact that Irvin didn't make it to the Hall you'd be even MADDER.......... :mad:

Are these Hall of Fame Voters former politcians??????????

I personaly do not believe that Young should have made it this time around. I am not saying that because I wanted Art in there, I am saying that because Steve Young's career stats are not very impressive when it comes to the QB postition. I mean Vinny T. has more career passing yards, touchdowns, and completions than Young. What about Warren Moon, his numbers are just as good as Youngs.

I am not saying that Young should never make it to the HOF, I dont feel that his numbers are so good and that he was so good that he should be elected in his first year.

Young made the HOF because of the idiotic idea that winning a super bowl somehow makes a player a true great and the ring validates his place in the hall. Super bowl championships are very overrated when it comes to making a player HOF worthy.

Dan Marino is the greatest qb of all time and I have hear people all the time say he is questionable because he was not lucky enough to be on a super bowl winning team.

Guys,

Young led the league in passing 6 times (that's tied for the NFL record), he's got over 30,000 passing yards and over 4000 rushing yards. He has 232 passing TD's and 43 rushing TD's as well. He's ranked in the top 20 of all-time QB's in 3 different categories, completions, passing yards and passing TD's.

He was a 7 time Pro Bowl selection and 2 time league MVP.

I'd say numbers wise he stacks up pretty well, and his Super Bowl win where he tossed 6 TD's (Super Bowl record) is just icing on the cake.

Personally I can't argue with his selection, just my opinion of course.

[QUOTE=Gmanc711]I know there is a thread about this; however, I didnt want this to get lost. I'm reading a interview on cnnsi.com, with Dr.Z , he was talking about what went on inside of the room when they were voting. I know many of us were uspet that Monk was left out of the hall, but rest easy, because Dr. Z has made me feel so much better.... Dr.Z and GMANC711 present to you the reason that Art Monk did not make the hall of fame this year.....


"SI.COM: How about Art Monk?

Dr. Z: Monk was hurt by Michael Irvin being eligible this year. It's done alphabetically, and Irvin was presented before Monk. I think that really hurt him."


The Reason Art Monk got f*cked again, is because M comes after I in the alphabet.

Heres the link if anyone wants to read that bullcrap.[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/dr_z/02/05/hof.qa/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]
This is completely f*cking absurd!!! How about voting by # of years eligible (oldest to newest) instead of alphabetically. No, that would actually make sense... :madani:
I am glad Irvin didn't get in either, but the fact that he got closer is f*cking unbelievable. Monk was (and is) the consumate professional that did his job and let the other flashier guys grab the headlines. And I guess because of that, he is now getting screwed by the people that wrote those headlines.

I said it before and i will say it again, lets boycott Sports Illustrated. Tell all your friends to do the same and to give the reason why, its because Peter Kind is an idiot!!!!!

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]Guys,

Young led the league in passing 6 times (that's tied for the NFL record), he's got over 30,000 passing yards and over 4000 rushing yards. He has 232 passing TD's and 43 rushing TD's as well. He's ranked in the top 20 of all-time QB's in 3 different categories, completions, passing yards and passing TD's.

He was a 7 time Pro Bowl selection and 2 time league MVP.

I'd say numbers wise he stacks up pretty well, and his Super Bowl win where he tossed 6 TD's (Super Bowl record) is just icing on the cake.

Personally I can't argue with his selection, just my opinion of course.[/QUOTE]


Matty you do make a pretty convincing argument, but just for the facts Steve Young had 33,124 passing yards and is ranked 19th out of the top 20. Which is less than the likes of Warren Moon(49,325), Vinny Testaverde(44,475) and Steve DeBerg(34,241)

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltime/leaders?cat=passyards[/url]

As for completions he is currently ranked 17th out of the top 20 with 2,667. Warren Moon - 3,988
Vinny Testaverde - 3,631
Steve DeBerg - 2,874 Tied with Jim Kelly

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltime/leaders?cat=complete[/url]

Passing touchdowns, Steve Young is also ranked at 17 out of 20 with 232.
Moon - 291
Testaverde - 268
DeBerg - not in the top 20, (196)

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltime/leaders?cat=tdpasses[/url]


Now, why isnt Moon in the HOF? Better yet should Vinny Testaverde be inducted in the first year that he is eligible. After all these two are not only in the top 20 but in the top 10 of these major QB catagories.

I am not saying that Young should not be in the HOF, all I am saying is that he should not have be a 1st year eligible canadaite(SP). Also it didnt hurt Young any by having the best WR of all time to throw to.

Moon probably does deserve some serious consideration, it's hard to look at his career numbers and not be impressed. Sad to say but if he had a ring he'd probably be in by now. As for Vinny I think they'll use the same thought process they're using on Monk right now, he's in the Hall of very good but probably not Hall of Fame worthy.

I noticed you didn't address some of the other key stats regarding Young, mainly the 6 time passing champ and 2 time NFL MVP. Young had his career cut short due to injury, but I think the passing champ titles and 2 NFL MVP's are great indicators of the kind of player he was. For a 7 year stretch he was one of the elite QB's in the game.

I can't argue that much against him being one of the elite QB's in the game at one time, all I am saying is that IMO he wasnt at the level of other players who got nominatied in there 1st year of eligibility. I dont believe him to be as good as Elway or Marino(SP) or on the same level as Sanders. But that is my own opinion. Was Steve Young an elite QB to play football? Yes, but like I said not as good as others.

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]I can't argue that much against him being one of the elite QB's in the game at one time, all I am saying is that IMO he wasnt at the level of other players who got nominatied in there 1st year of eligibility. I dont believe him to be as good as Elway or Marino(SP) or on the same level as Sanders. But that is my own opinion. Was Steve Young an elite QB to play football? Yes, but like I said not as good as others.[/QUOTE]

He definintely didn't have the kind of career that guys like Elway and Marino did longevity wise, but if his career wasn't cut short due to the concussions I think he would stack up similarily with Elway and Marino numbers wise.

I do understand your view, and my thought process was along the same lines until I took a closer look at his numbers and accomplishments. To me the 2 league MVP's along with his incredible SB performance are the clinchers. Take those away and yeah he's probably not a first ballot inductee.