Kirk Cousins pick 4.7
 

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I don't think the Cousins pick was a bad one. He automatically was better than Beck, and probably Rex. He isn't an exciting QB like Robert is, but he was pretty proficient at MSU, and is NFL caliber. To those doubting the pick, I ask you, would you really want Beck to have to play for us again or a bona fide QB that actually has the talent to come in in an emergency situation and at least keep us competitive?

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I really like this pick. I see Rex sticking around for one more year as the primary backup, but we move on from him next year and Cousins is the #2. Good insurance policy, about damn time we have a quality backup to develop.

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I saw some of the ESPN guys hating on this pick. Did any of them see John Beck play? Or see Grossman throw passes a rookie would make? We needed to upgrade the position and I'm glad we got a guy that played big time college ball at a high level. Doesn't have the physical skills that RG3 does but he knows how to play QB. Cousins should fit in real well with the Shanahan's offense. I like this pick a lot.

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[quote=Mattyk;913429]I really like this pick. I see Rex sticking around for one more year as the primary backup, but we move on from him next year and Cousins is the #2. Good insurance policy, about damn time we have a quality backup to develop.[/quote]

Yep, smart guy who can make the throws. Just needs pro coaching. Can hang out behind RG3 and be a guy who gives you solid performances for those few games when RG3 is hurt.

And three years from now, you pull an Andy Reid and trade him for a 2nd rounder a la AJ Feeley and Kevin Kolb.

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In and of itself I'm not at all surprised they took Cousins. After the Senior Bowl, we talked about how much they loved him. And remember when I had said the two most likely scenarios were Peyton/Cousins or RG3/Grossman.

That it'd be RG3/Rex AND Cousins (after moving picks to get RG3) is stunning...but I love it

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[quote=Mattyk;913429]I really like this pick. I see Rex sticking around for one more year as the primary backup, but we move on from him next year and Cousins is the #2. Good insurance policy, about damn time we have a quality backup to develop.[/quote]

The only negative here is that when RG3 struggles you know what's going to happen. People are going to be calling for Cousins.

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[quote=skinsfan69;913438]The only negative here is that when RG3 struggles you know what's going to happen. People are going to be calling for Cousins.[/quote]

Oh well, can't fix stupid.

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Notes:
Son of a minister. Also played baseball (pitcher) and basketball as a Michigan prep. Suffered a broken ankle as a high school junior. Redshirted in 2007. Appeared in five games in ’08 as Brian Hoyer’s backup, completing 32-of-43 pass attempts (62 percent) for 310 yards with two touchdowns and one interception. Started 12-of-13 games in ’09 and passed 198-328-2,680-19-9 (60.4). Did not start against Illinois (right ankle). Made all 13 starts in ’10, totaling 226-338-2,825-20-10 (66.9) despite battling a sprained left ankle and sprained left (non-throwing) shoulder beginning in mid-October. Set the school record for single-season TD passes in ’11 after throwing for 267-419-3,316-25-10 (63.7) in 14 starts. A three-time captain, Cousins was only the second sophomore captain in school history. Leaves as MSU’s career record holder in TD passes (66), passing yards (9,131) and passing efficiency (146.1 rating). Produced a 27-12 record in 39 career starts, finishing as the winningest quarterback in Spartan history. Graduated in December with a kinesiology degree.

Positives:
Rare intangibles and leadership ability. Can rally a huddle and inspire a locker room when the chips are down. Outstanding work habits. Can line up and direct an offense — knows the responsibility of every player on the field. Very professional approach — takes pride in his craft, pays attention to small details and is meticulous in his preparation. Film junkie. Clean footwork — experienced in a pro-style offense working under center and from the shotgun. Quick to set and throw. Good release quickness — showed improvement as the season progressed and did not take a sack in the last five games. Sells play-action and can identify matchups and find open receivers. Effective on bootlegs and rollouts. Tough and gritty. Stands in the face of the rush and delivers. Very accurate short-to-intermediate touch passer — good timing, touch and placement. Produced 3-0 career record vs. archrival Michigan and rose to the occasion on big stages.

Negatives:
Has a narrow frame susceptible to taking a pounding. Can be too cerebral and mechanical with his reads. Has displayed a tendency to overthink the game, resulting in holding the ball too long. Average ball velocity — ball will flutter and appear to die outside the numbers if he cannot step into it. Lacks ideal arm talent to rip it deep. Not a scrambler and cannot improvise or create many plays when the pocket moves. Many throws are simple and predetermined.

Summary:
Has the intangibles and intelligence to develop into a highly efficient, dink-and-dunk, rhythm passer. Resemblance to 49ers QB Alex Smith and must continue developing physically to survive the toll of an NFL season. Could thrive with crisp coaching and confidence-building play-calling in a precision passing game such as that of the Texans, Redskins, Patriots or 49ers.

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[quote=skinsfan69;913438]The only negative here is that when RG3 struggles you know what's going to happen. People are going to be calling for Cousins.[/quote]

That's crazy stupid. That's "the people who say that have no business being football fans" stupid. That's "I hope they don't reproduce" stupid.

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My friend (a Ravens fan) texted me cuz I'm at work saying, "You guys have 5 QBs on the roster now! Wtf?" So I had to come check it out. But seeing who we picked up and that we let Beck go, I'm actually happy with this move. And my friend is an idiot. :/

Worth the pic just because we released beck

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Our only pick, minus RG3, who makes the team.

Could be our new Gus.

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Awesome move. I know we have other more immediate needs, but the value of QB these days, as we are all well aware, is very inflated. With a QB in the 4th, especially one with Cousins' upside, you have a low-risk-high-reward investment.

A 4th round pick is almost always a backup at first at any position. While, at another position, like say G or T, you may have a potential starter in a few years, with a QB you may get not only a solid backup at a key position, but also a potential bargaining chip worth a whole lot more than this years 4th rd.

Beside, we didn't have a true NFL quality backup.

Also (knocking on wood as I type this), it is insurance for our all-in trade for RG3, and if things don't play out as we hope, we don't necessarily have to start from scratch 3 years from now.

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[quote=skinsfan69;913434]I saw some of the ESPN guys hating on this pick. Did any of them see John Beck play? Or see Grossman throw passes a rookie would make? We needed to upgrade the position and I'm glad we got a guy that played big time college ball at a high level. Doesn't have the physical skills that RG3 does but he knows how to play QB. Cousins should fit in real well with the Shanahan's offense. I like this pick a lot.[/quote]

That actually might have been a heck of a compliment to Cousins. The fact that they thought he was even remotely a threat to RG3 speaks to his ability and his potential.

Either way it'll be nice not having Doug Johnson or Curtis Painter starting if God forbid RG3 goes down. We have nothing to gain anymore from loosing seasons at least for the next two years.

I really think that this can turn into a second or third round pick maybe even a first in two or three years.

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[quote=skinsfan69;913434]I saw some of the ESPN guys hating on this pick. [B]Did any of them see John Beck play?[/B] Or see Grossman throw passes a rookie would make? We needed to upgrade the position and I'm glad we got a guy that played big time college ball at a high level. Doesn't have the physical skills that RG3 does but he knows how to play QB. Cousins should fit in real well with the Shanahan's offense. I like this pick a lot.[/quote]

Yes but Beck was 2nd string so he doesnt play into this scenario.RG3 will be 1 and Gross 2,we could have signed anybody to be 3.I dont like this pick,we got our QB we dont need another one unless you want to spend a 7th rounder on one.Unless RG3 plays lights out in preseason this will make a qb controversy,the media will play it up because thats what they do and it will steamroll,especially if Cousins gets in preseason and plays well.I see no good coming from this unless RG3 gets hurt in preseason.

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[quote=skinsfan69;913438]The only negative here is that when RG3 struggles you know what's going to happen. People are going to be calling for Cousins.[/quote]

Ala Shuler/Frerotte in '94. I was thinking that as well, but RG III will get a lot of help if he has some early struggles getting used to the pro level. Damn with these hogs the FO put in front of him and the nice little Wr corp we have with Garcon on board, he will fair better for sure than Shuler did. Cousins was brought in like Matty said for insurance. RG III is a smart guy and he made an average Baylor team bowl bound and a Big 12 contender after being a doormat forever. Shuler had good stats, but didn't make his team a real contender in a back then weak Pac 10.

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I like it. Has some talent and could be a long-term backup. I get nervous about RG3's health (for no real reason, just worrying) and like having a competent backup.

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Excellent pick.
We now have the best QB roster since Jurgensen/Kilmer.

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Drafting Cousins makes sense in 3 ways...

1) He'll make RG3 a better player just by him being on the roster; Cousins is an overachiever, who thrives on being the "underdog." Remember, Cousins beat out Nick Foles and made him transfer to Arizona.

2) Good insurance in case RG3 gets injured, plays poorly, or has an unforseen tragedy/issue; Some who oppose this move will say "this will ignite a QB controversy", which I disagree with... The only person in control of whether there is ever a controversy is RG3. If he plays well [B]consistently[/B] there won't be calls for Cousins to play.

3) The potential to aquire a high draft pick for Cousins in 2-3 years; I hope I'm wrong but RG3 takes alot of big hits, and can hold onto the ball a slight second to long, leaving him vulnerable to taking a big hit, which makes me wonder if he can play all 16 games. The durability concerns aren't so much to do with him running, but that as mentioned, he'll hold onto the ball longer than he should.

Lastly, and this is pure speculation, I think Shanny drafted Cousins to give him an extra 1-2 years, in case RG3 (god forbid) doesn't work out, he'll still have Cousins to develop; and that selecting Cousins will save him from being fired if RG3 isn't the QB we think he is. My guess is the FO wanted to draft another potential starting QB in case RG3 (I hope not) isn't a franchise QB.

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I feel meh about the Cousins pick. Don't misunderstand - I think a QB housecleaning is a good idea so I don't mind picking up another young QB.

To me Cousins is like Grossman Jr. - his accuracy is sometimes very erratic and his decision-making is often erratic, too. I don't see him developing into much of anything and I certainly don't see him as future trade bait of any real value.

I might have used the pick on someone else like Lindley or, more likely, have made sure to pick up someone like Kellen Moore as a UDFA.

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I really don't like this pick.

Ernie Accorsi didn't give up the ranch to get Eli and then turn around and draft Luke McCown in the 4th round as some sort of hedge.

Cousins may be a decent player but Griffin is, strictly based on how much the Skins gave up for him, clearly THE guy that Shanahan wanted and should be afforded the chance to develop without another young drafted QB around. It's an inconsistent message to not only Griffin but to the team and the fans.

If Cousins is some sort of a Griffin injury hedge--well then Rex or some other veteran could have done that role. And we would have applied the pick towards a greater need.

If Shanahan really wanted another young Qb to develop--best to not waste a pick and get an undrafted free agent. That would have not only saved a pick but also not created any drama vis-a-vis Griffin.

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Ernie Accorsi can eat the fuzzies outa my butt crack.

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The Kirk Cousins pick was in my opinion the second best pick next to the Griffin III pick. Most GMs had a first round grade on this kid and he should have been selected by the second round. He was certainly projected to be drafted before Nick Foles, but that wasn't the case only because the Eagles reached for Foles. But I am very delighted with the selection of Cousins. I don't understand how he fell to the fourth round.

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As good as Griffin is going to be you still have to remember that he is an injury risk
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Until April 2015 the Redskins will have little to gain by loosing out and if your backup QB is Curtis Painter or Doug Johnson well needless to say you're screwed.

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[quote=htownskinfan;913507]Yes but Beck was 2nd string so he doesnt play into this scenario.RG3 will be 1 and Gross 2,we could have signed anybody to be 3.I dont like this pick,we got our QB we dont need another one unless you want to spend a 7th rounder on one.Unless RG3 plays lights out in preseason this will make a qb controversy,the media will play it up because thats what they do and it will steamroll,especially if Cousins gets in preseason and plays well.I see no good coming from this unless RG3 gets hurt in preseason.[/quote]

The media is already starting up the BS and I think it's unfortunate for RG3. But there's a possibility that RG3 doesn't pan out. Everyone wants him to but if he doesn't then what? You've got another guy in the mix.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;913510]Ala Shuler/Frerotte in '94. I was thinking that as well, but RG III will get a lot of help if he has some early struggles getting used to the pro level. Damn with these hogs the FO put in front of him and the nice little Wr corp we have with Garcon on board, he will fair better for sure than Shuler did. Cousins was brought in like Matty said for insurance. RG III is a smart guy and he made an average Baylor team bowl bound and a Big 12 contender after being a doormat forever. Shuler had good stats, but didn't make his team a real contender in a back then weak Pac 10.[/quote]

Gus wasn't even on the radar when he was drafted out of Tulsa. He was a 7th rounder. Cousins played at a high level in a top conference. He's got a legit resume. Big difference. And fyi...Shuler played at Tenn.

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[quote=skinsfan69;913556]The media is already starting up the BS and I think it's unfortunate for RG3. But there's a possibility that RG3 doesn't pan out. Everyone wants him to but if he doesn't then what? You've got another guy in the mix.[/quote]

Luckily RG3 and Cousins are extremely mature so it won't be much of an issue but it really is amazing the reaction we got. You almost wanted to ask "who died" when you saw the faces of the media pundits.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;913544]The Kirk Cousins pick was in my opinion the second best pick next to the Griffin III pick. [B]Most GMs had a first round grade on this kid and he should have been selected by the second round.[/B] He was certainly projected to be drafted before Nick Foles, but that wasn't the case only because the Eagles reached for Foles. But I am very delighted with the selection of Cousins. I don't understand how he fell to the fourth round.[/quote]

That is quite obviously untrue. If he were a first or second round quarterback in the eyes of GM's, he would have been chosen sooner.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;913560]Luckily RG3 and Cousins are extremely mature so it won't be much of an issue but it really is amazing the reaction we got. You almost wanted to ask "who died" when you saw the faces of the media pundits.[/quote]

LOL I saw it too. And it was good entertainment to listen as they tried to rationalize the Cousins pick.

I think it signals Rex' days are numbered. Obviously the team went BPA w/ this pick, which I can appreciate.

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if he's todd collins i'm happy

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[quote=NYCSkin;913540]I really don't like this pick.

Ernie Accorsi didn't give up the ranch to get Eli and then turn around and draft Luke McCown in the 4th round as some sort of hedge.

Cousins may be a decent player but Griffin is, strictly based on how much the Skins gave up for him, clearly THE guy that Shanahan wanted and should be afforded the chance to develop without another young drafted QB around. It's an inconsistent message to not only Griffin but to the team and the fans.

If Cousins is some sort of a Griffin injury hedge--well then Rex or some other veteran could have done that role. And we would have applied the pick towards a greater need.

If Shanahan really wanted another young Qb to develop--best to not waste a pick and get an undrafted free agent. That would have not only saved a pick but also not created any drama vis-a-vis Griffin.[/quote]
The Giants had Kurt Warner be the backup. Hence, drafting a backup was not needed as much.

UDFA QBs are more than likely hopeless, with the a low ceiling in the case they don't bust.

The plan is obvious. Cousins is a "shadow" first round pick to be. Let him look pretty in preseason, and some QB-starved team would pay big assets to get him. That's the plan. That's far more than a sleeper pick at any other position would net.

And if Cousins has good character and a leader, then that further stablizes the locker room because you've got two QBs to set an example about preparation and putting in the work.

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How is it possible this could ever be considered a bad pick. Who gives a rats ass what message he's sending to the media/fan base? Its about competition and surrounding Griffin with some one who's book smarts and work ethic are as high (maybe higher?) than his. Cousins has got talent and can help push RG3 and his superior physical gifts to its limits. Cousins is a film junkie, I havent heard that about Griffin and it will rub off on him as they progress together. The media can scream controversy until its blue in the face, but this move keeps Griffin dedicated, and focused. A cerebal QB with high upside is exactly what the doctor recommended. Future draft picks five years from now, only makes this seem that much sweeter...

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The biggest worry with a mobile quarterback like griffin is that he'll get hurt.

This is my favorite pick from days 2 and 3 of the draft because it means that if Griffin goes down, Rex or beck won't be going in, we can lose griffin and still have a chance. love this pick

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[quote=stu_nna;913601]How is it possible this could ever be considered a bad pick. Who gives a rats ass what message he's sending to the media/fan base? Its about competition and surrounding Griffin with some one who's book smarts and work ethic are as high (maybe higher?) than his. Cousins has got talent and can help push RG3 and his superior physical gifts to its limits. Cousins is a film junkie, I havent heard that about Griffin and it will rub off on him as they progress together. The media can scream controversy until its blue in the face, but this move keeps Griffin dedicated, and focused. A cerebal QB with high upside is exactly what the doctor recommended. Future draft picks five years from now, only makes this seem that much sweeter...[/quote]

Plus they might improve each other by pointing out what the other does not see.

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[quote=stu_nna;913601]How is it possible this could ever be considered a bad pick. Who gives a rats ass what message he's sending to the media/fan base? Its about competition and surrounding Griffin with some one who's book smarts and work ethic are as high (maybe higher?) than his. Cousins has got talent and can help push RG3 and his superior physical gifts to its limits. Cousins is a film junkie, I havent heard that about Griffin and it will rub off on him as they progress together. The media can scream controversy until its blue in the face, but this move keeps Griffin dedicated, and focused. A cerebal QB with high upside is exactly what the doctor recommended. Future draft picks five years from now, only makes this seem that much sweeter...[/quote]

Griffin graduated with a 3.67 GPA at Baylor. I doubt studying film will be much of a problem for him.

People point out that Griffin was in the media spotlight more then Luck. Well after this weekend it should be painfully obvious why he was. Griffin is extremely charismatic and well spoken, ie media savy. As one of the beat writers reported he had one interview after another and every one sounded different.

Luck meanwhile, despite being very smart and probably a very nice guy isn't exactly the best interview.
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The media loves a sexy headline, and they're certainly trying their best to turn this into something it's not. I just laughed when ESPN said "Is RG3 being challenged already?"

I mean please.

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Kirk being drafted means Rex's days are truly numbered as being even a #2 QB. I don't see Cousins as trade bait. The guy could have been a first rounder if a couple more teams were in dire straits at QB.

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Denver drafted oswaller in the 2nd. Is Peyton being challenged already?