Better Rookie Season Stats Griffin or Luck?
 

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[U]First and foremost[/U] I want the Redskins to [I]win[/I] more games this year [I]but[/I] I have to admit a strong secondary desire: I want Griffin to post better offensive numbers then Luck.

At first I was confident that Griffin's superior production was a certainity because of my perceptions of the Colts offense.

But, after looking the Colts draft, offseason moves and returning players I'm not as certain that Griff will put up better stats then Luck.

[B][U][COLOR="Olive"]Follow on questions not included in the Title:[/COLOR][/U][/B]

Which teams has better offensive weapons? Us or the Colts?

What rookie season stats do you think Griffin and Luck will post?

What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)

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Stat wise, I think Luck will and not for the reason you may think. Let's think about this. Teams that play from behind normally usually end up with a ton of yardage stats, and played a big part in why Newton racked up the type of numbers he did. That crappy Panthers team was always down and usually by more than one score.

Now, the Colts are a lot crappier than the Panthers so I imagine they'll be playing from behind a good portion of this season. We on the other hand will most likely have a balanced attack with a slight higher % of passes and our defense is legit.

RGIII is going to have the better W-L record though.

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[quote=NC_Skins;917673]Stat wise, I think Luck will and not for the reason you may think. Let's think about this. Teams that play from behind normally usually end up with a ton of yardage stats, and played a big part in why Newton racked up the type of numbers he did. That crappy Panthers team was always down and usually by more than one score.[/quote]Actually, [I]part[/I] of the reason I think Luck could post better stats then Griffin is because I expect them to be trailing often.
But, I also think the Colts are gonna be better then people think.
I think their net offensive weapons rivals our own.

However; I think you miss characterize Cam's yardage numbers by saying their were always down and usually by more then 1 score.
The Panthers were in almost every game, I think its more accurate to say that they chose to pass by design not because they were compelled to by score.

[quote]We on the other hand will most likely have a balanced attack with a slight higher % of passes and our defense is legit.

RGIII is going to have the better W-L record though.[/quote]Def agree about the defense and the W-L record.
But, I don't think you can call our pass/run balance [I]slight[/I] towards the pass.
Nothing about Kyle's playcalling suggests to me that we'll have a balanced attack; I think we will remain a pass focused team except now we have a QB and receiving corps that makes the pass oriented balance justifiable.
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BTW:
What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)

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[quote=30gut;917674]However; I think you miss characterize Cam's yardage numbers by saying their were always down and usually by more then 1 score.The Panthers were in almost every game, I think its more accurate to say that they chose to pass by design not because they were compelled to by score. [/quote]

I will give concede that point that their offense was more of a open up type offense than the old running style they once had. It worked for the most part, but they seemed to have trouble producing in the 4th quarter when it mattered. (in terms of points)

Fun fact: he had below 225 yards passing in all the wins except one. The lone one against us. :(


I don't see how you can equate the Colts offensive weapons to ours. They aren't even in the same ballpark anymore. All of their weapons are gone except Wayne.

I think luck struggles with the lack of talent in Indy.. griff has more overall weapons

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Griffin: 3,542 yards 22TDs 13Ints 544 rushing yards 5TDs

Luck: 3,318 yards 19TDs 15Ints

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[U]First and foremost[/U] I want the Redskins to [I]win[/I] more games this year [I]but[/I] I have to admit a strong secondary desire: I want Griffin to post better offensive numbers then Luck.

At first I was confident that Griffin's superior production was a certainity because of my perceptions of the Colts offense.

But, after looking the Colts draft, offseason moves and returning players I'm not as certain that Griff will put up better stats then Luck.

[B][U][COLOR="Olive"]Follow on questions not included in the Title:[/COLOR][/U][/B]

Which teams has better offensive weapons? Us or the Colts? [B]Us[/B]

What rookie season stats do you think Griffin and Luck will post? [B]Above-average stats[/B]

What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)[B] Yes[/B][/quote]

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BTW:
What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)
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[quote=NC_Skins;917678]...I don't see how you can equate the Colts offensive weapons to ours. They aren't even in the same ballpark anymore. All of their weapons are gone except Wayne.[/quote]

At first blush I automatically thought we were clearly better in every area but I think its close in most areas.

[B][U]OL:[/U][/B] Colts
I give them a slight edge on the OL.
I'm assuming both the Colts and our OL will improve but this is where they rankled last year:
[url]http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-lines-part-1/[/url]
PFF rates their OL ahead of ours and that's [I]without[/I] Ben Ijalana and offseason additions of Samson Satele

[B][U]Receiveing Corps:[/U][/B] Redskins

I think we have a better overall receiving corps but again its close.
WRs:
The starting WRs based on production:
Wayne (a true #1 WR) + Collie is at [I]least[/I] equal to Garcon + Morgan/Hankerson
Hankerson, Moss and Armstrong give us greater [I]depth[/I] though

(imo Ty Hilton was an absolute steal for them though)

TEs:
Best overall player: Fred Davis however the Colts drafted the 2 best TEs in the draft and I give the combo of Fleener/Allen the edge of Davis/Cooley(health questions)

[B][U]Running game:[/U][/B] Push

I give us the slight edge because of scheme but Donald Brown was a producitve back last year and Carter was decent.
Running game is another area I think is closer then people realize.


[B][U]Scheme:[/U][/B] Redskins

I give us the edge overall because of [I]continuity[/I] but I think Bruce Arians is a very good OC that was Peyton Manning's QB coach during his rookie season and helped groom Rothlisberger w/Steelers. Their already borrowing some concepts from Standford and will feature a Coltesque double TE based offense.

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[quote=30gut;917682]BTW:
What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)
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At first blush I automatically thought we were clearly better in every area but I think its close in most areas.

[B][U]OL:[/U][/B] Colts
I give them a slight edge on the OL.
I'm assuming both the Colts and our OL will improve but this is where they rankled last year:
[url]http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...-lines-part-1/[/url]
PFF rates their OL ahead of ours and that's [I]without[/I] Ben Ijalana and offseason additions of Samson Satele

[B][U]Receiveing Corps:[/U][/B] Redskins

I think we have a better overall receiving corps but again its close.
WRs:
The starting WRs based on production:
Wayne (a true #1 WR) + Collie is at [I]least[/I] equal to Garcon + Morgan/Hankerson
Hankerson, Moss and Armstrong give us greater [I]depth[/I] though

(imo Ty Hilton was an absolute steal for them though)

TEs:
Best overall player: Fred Davis however the Colts drafted the 2 best TEs in the draft and I give the combo of Fleener/Allen the edge of Davis/Cooley(health questions)

[B][U]Running game:[/U][/B] Push

I give us the slight edge because of scheme but Donald Brown was a producitve back last year and Carter was decent.
Running game is another area I think is closer then people realize.


[B][U]Scheme:[/U][/B] Redskins

I give us the edge overall because of [I]continuity[/I] but I think Bruce Arians is a very good OC that was Peyton Manning's QB coach during his rookie season and helped groom Rothlisberger w/Steelers. Their already borrowing some concepts from Standford and will feature a Coltesque double TE based offense.[/quote]


I fail to see how you can say their running game is on par with ours, that their offensive line is better, and you're still on that Cam Newton was the best qb prospect you ever saw huh?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;917684]I fail to see how you can say their running game is on par with ours, that their offensive line is better,[/quote]Pretty simple our running games was 25th w/4.0 ypc theirs was 26th w/4.2 ypc hence on par.
Lead backs: (them) Donald Brown 645 yds 4.8 ypc/Roy Helu 640 yds 4.2 ypc

I showed the stats behind my opinion of our respective OLs coupled with the fact that they're adding a starters at OG/OT.

[quote]...and you're still on that Cam Newton was the best qb prospect you ever saw huh?[/quote]:doh: Funny how I've never said the above nor is the above topic brought up in this thread.

However this question, which is stated is:
What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)

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[quote=30gut;917685]Pretty simple our running games was 25th w/4.0 ypc theirs was 26th w/4.2 ypc hence on par.
Lead backs: (them) Donald Brown 645 yds 4.8 ypc/Roy Helu 640 yds 4.2 ypc

I showed the stats behind my opinion of our respective OLs coupled with the fact that they're adding a starters at OG/OT.

:doh: Funny how I've never said the above nor is the above topic brought up in this thread.

However this question, which is stated is:
What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)[/quote]


Just to tickle my fancy, whose stats are those you posted? It's not Albert Pujos. Yeah not buying the lineman or running game being equal or theirs being better.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;917686]Just to tickle my fancy, whose stats are those you posted? It's not Albert Pujos. Yeah not buying the lineman or running game being equal or theirs being better.[/quote]We'll i guess stating 'not buying...(whatever)' as opposed to an actual dialogue of reasons, facts or stats equates to having a discussion in your book.

The stats posted in the question are from Cam Newton's rookie season.
They represent the best rookie season QB stats to date, if some other QB posted better rookie season numbers then those would have been included in the question as a benchmark.

I've answered your question, are you gonna respond to my actual question?
(or keep trying to misrepresent or re-characterize my question which appears below)

What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)

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Luck could end up with more yards if you believe the Colts are going to be playing from behind a lot. But I think RG3 ends up with the better TD/INT ratio and is more efficient overall.

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Griffin

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Cousins

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I agree with alot of the people that say Luck, because he'll be throwing a ton on that awful team. When he isn't running for his life...

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;917680]Griffin: 3,542 yards 22TDs 13Ints 544 rushing yards 5TDs

Luck: 3,318 yards 19TDs 15Ints[/QUOTE]

I'd be down for that every year

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Griffin III will have the better statical year because he has a better offensive line and more reliable weapons to throw to.

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Griffin probably would. We have a pass-happy offense and an Oline entering the critical Year 3 of coagulation in this scheme.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;917686]Just to tickle my fancy, whose stats are those you posted? It's not Albert Pujos. Yeah not buying the lineman or running game being equal or theirs being better.[/quote]

Haha, football debates are mostly about "maybe this, maybe that" because conclusive evidence is so hard to come by.

It is reckless to make absolute statements about OL play because the stats don't do justice in showing what is occuring on the field. Many confounding variables need to be considered before making the final conclusion. If that does not occur, then questioning the conclusion is to be expected due to demand for better evidence.

It's like having boob size measurements but you don't get to see the rest of the girl's body. If she's fat as hell, well, too bad. lol

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The Colts are in rebuild mode and although MS/Allen said we were not in rebuild mode for the last 2 yrs he has purged the team of basically all the old players and brought in new young healthy ones. Also this is the 3rd yr for the team to be in the same system/scheme so the players should know their rolls better and from what I saw of the OL last year it got better as the year went on.

The Colts on the other hand I doubt they stick to the same system/scheme and I'd expect the new HC to be building around his system.

So I believe RG3 will have better stats and for obvious reasons have the better teams. I think it will be like this for a few yrs as well until the Colts get all the pieces to their puzzle they need. However in the long run I think RG3 will have gotten better and by that point both QB's will be on level footing when it comes to stats since by that point RG3 will have had 2-3 yrs to catch up.

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[quote=CapitalDefense;917702]Cousins[/quote]



Weeden.

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Secret Answer C. Thats C as in Chase Daniel


"This whole team, the community, the fans, everybody misses Drew, but we also realize right now we have to move on without him. Is a deal going to get done? Yes, I have faith. But right now it's a great opportunity for myself to go in, show the type of skills I've [gained] ... and really earn the trust of the guys.”

-- Saints QB Chase Daniel

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Funny thing about the offseason is we hear all of these stories, rumors, etc but never seem to go back and check up on them. This got me thinking about the Haslett story from earlier in the offseason.

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/7/2783161/i-ran-into-jim-haslett-and-we-talked-qb-draft]I Ran Into Jim Haslett and We Talked QB Draft, Manning, Trading Up - Hogs Haven[/url]
[QUOTE]
[B]They are not interested in Matt Flynn.[/B] I am eating major crow here. I have written several posts outlining why I was convinced that Matt Flynn was going to be the Redskin's next QB. I am no Nostradamus. When I asked about Flynn, he said he was a below average QB coming out of college, with poor arm strength, balls hitting the ground, etc. The sense around the front office is that he did little to erase that evaluation and that his success against the Lions on January 1, 2012 was more of an anomaly than the norm.

[B]With the exception of Luck and RG111, they have been very disappointed by the QB's in this year's draft class. [/B]He didn't elaborate on where he saw these QB's up close (I'm thinking the Senior Bowl.) But contrary to many thoughts, Foles, Tannehill, Moore, Weeden, Wilson, among many others none were impressive. Haslett said at least twice, that they were discouraged by this year's QB class.

[B]They are strongly considering trading up with St. Louis Rams[/B]. He said, they have already talked with Jeff Fisher about the possibility. He did not elaborate on the details, other than to say they had talked with Fisher and are serious about getting a good QB. So again, I am eating crow, since I thought the Redskins would trade down for extra picks. They are not trading down, since they do not believe the QB's in the later rounds are talented enough to lead the team. Haslett believes the team is good enough to win, if they just had one of the two talented QB's at top.

[B]The Redskins are also seriously looking at acquiring Peyton Manning.[/B] According to Haslett, Allen has some connections with some people in Indianapolis and mentioned discussions surrounding Peyton in a Redskins uniform have already begun behind the scenes.

[B]Rex Grossman might remain as backup.[/B] Although Haslett did not commit to this, he did say they liked Rex's knowledge of the offense and his ability to move the ball. Unfortunately, he acknowledged these abilities come with an average of 3-4 costly turnovers per game.[/QUOTE]

So lets review. IIRC Flynn didn't even come in for a free agent visit. They said many times that they fell in love with the top 2 QB's in the draft though they did seem to be okay with Weeden. They traded up with St. Louis. They contacted Peyton Manning to arrange a visit after trading with St. Louis. And they brought back Sexy Rexy.

Kudos to the Pastor.

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Who cares about who will had a better season, has anyone seen the new Dick's Sporting Goods commercial featuring RGIII with Adidas shoes?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iE1fvzrJp88]RGIII - "What Light Can Do" - adidas adizero sonic - Available only at Dick's Sporting Goods - YouTube[/url]

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i can dig it
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Many NFL analysts are predicting that Andrew Luck will show flashes of greatness as a rookie NFL quarterback, but he's also going to struggle because of the lack of play makers that he has around him. The Colts cleaned house in the offseason in an attempt to start over and build around Luck. They didn't bring back a lot of offensive players who were vital to the team's offensive production in recent seasons.

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[quote=30gut;917685]Pretty simple our running games was 25th w/4.0 ypc theirs was 26th w/4.2 ypc hence on par.
Lead backs: (them) Donald Brown 645 yds 4.8 ypc/Roy Helu 640 yds 4.2 ypc

I showed the stats behind my opinion of our respective OLs coupled with the fact that they're adding a starters at OG/OT.

:doh: Funny how I've never said the above nor is the above topic brought up in this thread.

However this question, which is stated is:
What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype? (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)[/quote]

Well reasoned and convincing; however, Shanny still has to be given the benefit of the doubt can put together a serious rushing attack, and probably gives us the edge on that one. The bigger question is whether we'll (finally) see his offense (what I want) instead of Kyle's past first, second and third offense (bit o sarcasm). Anybody who says we've had a balanced attack isn't paying attention...hopefully this is the year.

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[quote=SBXVII;917715]The Colts are in rebuild mode....The Colts on the other hand I doubt they stick to the same system/scheme and I'd expect the new HC to be building around his system.[/quote]There is no doubt the Colts are in rebuild mode however that doesn't preclude them from fielding a good offense.
It didn't stop the Panthers [I]offense[/I] nor the Bengals [I]offense[/I] from being productive in year 1 of a new OC/QB.

[quote]So I believe RG3 will have better stats and for obvious reasons have the better teams.[/quote]Out of curiosity what are the obvious reason because I honestly don't see any obvious reasons other then schematic continuity.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;917713]Griffin probably would. We have a pass-happy offense and an Oline entering the critical Year 3 of coagulation in this scheme.[/quote]But, the Colts also feature a pass happy offense with an OL at least on par with our own that has added or is returning more pieces then our OL.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;917736]Many NFL analysts are predicting that Andrew Luck will show flashes of greatness as a rookie NFL quarterback, but he's also going to struggle because of the lack of play makers that he has around him. The Colts cleaned house in the offseason in an attempt to start over and build around Luck. They didn't bring back a lot of offensive players who were vital to the team's offensive production in recent seasons.[/quote]Sure the Colts lost some pieces but they've also retained and added some pieces.
Lets not forget they retained their best WR in Reggie Wayne a true #1 WR.
They also have Austin Collie returning who had more catches then our #2 and 3 WRs.
They also return their leading rusher in Donald Brown.
Yes, the Colts lost Jacob Tamme and aging/injured Dallas Clark but one could argue that drafting the 2 best TE prospects is an upgrade at that position.
(especially considering the built in chemistry between Fleener and Luck)
The also added Samson Satele at Center, Winston Justice OG/OL and return 2nd round OG/OT Ben Ijalana from injury.
Imo when you really look at the Colts additions and subtractions the only area where they lost without a replacement is Piere Garcon.

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[quote=30gut;917741]Sure the Colts lost some pieces but they've also retained and added some pieces.
Lets not forget they retained their best WR in Reggie Wayne a true #1 WR.
They also have Austin Collie returning who had more catches then our #2 and 3 WRs.
They also return their leading rusher in Donald Brown.
Yes, the Colts lost Jacob Tamme and aging/injured Dallas Clark but one could argue that drafting the 2 best TE prospects is an upgrade at that position.
(especially considering the built in chemistry between Fleener and Luck)
The also added Samson Satele at Center, Winston Justice OG/OL and return 2nd round OG/OT Ben Ijalana from injury.
Imo when you really look at the Colts additions and subtractions the only area where they lost without a replacement is Piere Garcon.[/quote]
At the very least, I suspect small sample size might be overstating Donald Brown's "prowess" measure used here, which is YPC. One 80 yard run is the difference between him being a 4.2 YPC guy and a 4.8 YPC guy.

Wayne is definitely more established than any of our guys.
Collie is questionable, because he got targets, but he didn't get a lot of yards.
Justice is also questionable. Yes, he's better than what he was earlier in his career, but is he really even that good still?

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;917743]At the very least, I suspect small sample size might be overstating Donald Brown's "prowess" measure used here, which is YPC. One 80 yard run is the difference between him being a 4.2 YPC guy and a 4.8 YPC guy. [/quote]To be clear where have I touted Brown's 'prowess' or used his YPC to suggest something about his ability?

My point was that the Colts running game is on par with our own and posted the stats of both lead backs.
The same sample size and YPC issues that you ding Brown on are equally true for our own backs (Helu and Royster).

I don't see how these statistical quibbles makes the Colts running game inferior to our own, which seems to be your suggestion?

[quote]Wayne is definitely more established than any of our guys.
Collie is questionable, because he got targets, but he didn't get a lot of yards.
Justice is also questionable. es, he's better than what he was earlier in his career, but is he really even that good still?[/quote]Sure Collie is questionable but by the same token so are Morgan and Hankerson.
They're all complimentary players.
But the Colts have a true #1 WR and a couple good TEs throw in some complimentary WRs (Collie, Hilton?) its a good enough unit to field a producitve passing offense.
Its not unlike the pieces/forumula of the Patriots and Panthers passing offenses.
The point is the Colts passing game isn't as talented depleted as people suggest.

Sure Justice is questionable but again if we're being objective Lichtensteiger and Jammal Brown would certainly be questionable as well.
And Justice was the least of their OL additions/improvements.

If we're going take a critical look at their talent then we should also be objective about our own talent.

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[quote=The Goat;917737]Well reasoned and convincing; however, Shanny still has to be given the benefit of the doubt can put together a serious rushing attack, and probably gives us the edge on that one.[/quote]Oh, I agree:[quote=me]Running game: Push
[I][B]I give us the slight edge because of scheme[/B][/I]...
[/quote]


[quote=Goat] The bigger question is whether we'll (finally) see his offense (what I want) instead of Kyle's past first, second and third offense (bit o sarcasm). Anybody who says we've had a balanced attack isn't paying attention...hopefully this is the year.[/quote]I also favor a more traditional Mike Shanahan Denver WCO or a run balanced version of the Texans offense.
And you're right about Kyle's pass focus, however; its a quibble over style.

My gripe about Kyle's pass first nature wasn't due to style but of function.
I didn't believe we had the pieces at QB/WR to execute a functional pass heavy offense and the results support this thought.
But, the additions at WR and our main man Griffin finally give Kyle the pieces to produce a functional pass 1st offense.
I don't expect Kyle to become more balanced now that he has weapons.
My guess is that Griffin attempts somewhere in the ballpark of 550 passes this year.

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This should help RG3 in his quest to outduel Luck
[url=http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7945444/nfl-rookie-adjustments-expect-leap-jake-locker-others]NFL - Rookie adjustments over, expect leap from Jake Locker, others - ESPN[/url]

[QUOTE]Leonard Hankerson, WR, Redskins
I thought Hankerson was just about to really get it going last year when a hip injury derailed his season. While the Redskins went out and made several moves at wide receiver, I think Hankerson could put up big numbers as a down-the-field threat in Mike Shanahan's offense. He's a bigger target, something this offense lacks otherwise, outside of tight end Fred Davis.[/QUOTE]

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Griffin will be my favorite player of all time (sorry sean...rip)...how can I say Luck when this question is so open ended?

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[quote=skinster;917762]...how can I say Luck when this question is so open ended?[/quote]Keep in mind that it hard to fit the theme of an entire thread into a thread title without simplifying.

I know its naive to rely on people actually reading the OP but there is little alternative a title is simple too brief to convey the thought/theme expressed in the OP for the thread.

But also how is question in the thread title so open ended?
Its asking specifically about statistical performance which is pretty much cut and dry its not asking for a vague undefined value judgement like 'which QB is better'


BTW-What does Griffin being your potential favorite player have to do with an objective opinion about projected statistical performance.

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[QUOTE=Bucky Brooks]Andrew Luck-led Colts will be much better than you think in 2012[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d828f2901/article/andrew-luckled-colts-will-be-much-better-than-you-think-in-2012]Andrew Luck-led Colts will be much better than you think in 2012 - NFL.com[/url]

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I do like the rookie TE's they added, but they'll be facing a learning curve along with Luck. What are realistic expectations for the Colts? I'd say 5-6 wins.

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[quote=30gut;917672][IMG]http://clutchsportsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/luck-griffin-300x168.jpg[/IMG]

[U]First and foremost[/U] I want the Redskins to [I]win[/I] more games this year [I]but[/I] I have to admit a strong secondary desire: I want Griffin to post better offensive numbers then Luck.

At first I was confident that Griffin's superior production was a certainity because of my perceptions of the Colts offense.

But, after looking the Colts draft, offseason moves and returning players I'm not as certain that Griff will put up better stats then Luck.

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Which teams has better offensive weapons? Us or the Colts?

What rookie season stats do you think Griffin and Luck will post?

[B]What type of rookie season production does Luck need to justify the 'best prospect since' hype?[/B] (60.0%--4,051yds--7.8ypa--21 TDs--17 Ints--84.5 Rating +706 rush yds--14 rush TDs)[/quote]

A rookie season does not make or break a QB. If it did then some of the best to play the game would have never gone on to become great.