RGIII Says Don't Expect A Lot of Trickeration in Playbook
 

among other things...

[url=http://misterirrelevant.com/index.php/2012/06/28/robert-griffin-iii-interview-mr-irrelevant/#more-26572]‘Endless Possibilities’: The Mr. Irrelevant RGIII Interview | Mr. Irrelevant, a D.C. Sports Blog by the Brothers Mottram[/url]

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Really.......love this kid.
I nearly cried when I saw what we gave to trade up for him but everything I have seen and read since has made me believe it was a wise and savvy move.
Can't wait........

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Of course there won't be much trickeration in the playbook for RGII. Rex can't run worth $#!^.

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Enjoyed the interview. Going to love watching this kid play.

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[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/06/28/the-lure-of-rgiii-redskins-teammates-flock-to-waco-really-for-a-summer-workout/?module=HP11_headline_stack]The lure of RG3: Redskins teammates will flock to Waco (really) for a summer workout - NFL.com[/url]


[quote]“I’m going to go back and work out with some of my teammates who are coming into town with me to Waco,” Griffin III told me. “So, it’ll be a busy time, but I’m gearing up for this long year that I know it’s going to be in the NFL with long season and the type of grind I have to be ready to go through.”

Griffin III still has an apartment in Waco, where he attended Baylor University. So, he’ll live out his time there, but he won’t do it alone. As for names, the Heisman Trophy winner dropped Santana Moss, Pierre Garcon, Anthony Armstrong, Aldrick Robinson, Fred Davis, Brandon Banks, and others who will join him.
RGIII wouldn’t say whose idea it was — “I don’t know who can take credit for it,” he said.

“But we knew we needed to get together,” Griffin told me. “I offered that they could come to Waco. We got workout facilities and everything. Shockingly, I convinced them to come to Waco, Texas, because not everybody wants to do that. I think next year we’ll do it somewhere more flashy, more vacation-like. Miami or Los Angeles, because I won’t have an apartment in Waco to move out of. But those guys made the sacrifice to come down and see me. So, it’s great that we’re already starting off on the right foot. … All those guys are coming down to throw. For those guys to show that they’re willing to come to Waco, Texas to workout with me lets me know they believe in me.“
And the team. Definitely a positive for the ‘Skins. [/quote]

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Good stuff.

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Don't be surprised if Griffin makes the pro bowl his first year in the NFL. Every rookie QB undergoes growing pains, but RG3 could be good enough right now where he would not only play brilliantly, but win MVP. I'm not predicting that this will happen, of course. But we shouldn't be surprised if this does happen.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;923692][B]Don't be surprised if Griffin makes the pro bowl his first year in the NFL.[/B] Every rookie QB undergoes growing pains, but RG3 could be good enough right now where he would not only play brilliantly, but win MVP. I'm not predicting that this will happen, of course. But we shouldn't be surprised if this does happen.[/quote]

With the likes of Rodgers, Brees, Cam, Stafford, Eli, Vick, etc. in the NFC, I'd be surprised if he made it as anything other than an alternate.

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This kid is gonna make me back off my Snyder-induced moratorium against purchasing new Skins gear. I'm needing an RG3 jersey!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;923694]With the likes of Rodgers, Brees, Cam, Stafford, Eli, Vick, etc. in the NFC, I'd be surprised if he made it as anything other than an alternate.[/quote]

Vick and Stafford will be hurt or at least banged up at year end.

Rodgers will skip the game if they're in the SB or even NFC Championship.

Brees, we'll see if he starts the year and we'll also have to see how bad the Saints are missing so many key players.



Pro Bowl NFC QBs - Griffin, Newton, Manning, Ryan/Bradford! :D

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Meh, not worried about Pro-bowl or stats
I Just hope Griff stays healthy and improves with each game

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[quote=30gut;923710]Meh, not worried about Pro-bowl or stats
I Just hope Griff stays healthy and improves with each game[/quote]

Damn right, health is a key for me.

Also, I bet 50$ on the skins to win the NFC and 50$ for them to win the SB in Vegas when I went in February so, them winning the SB and getting me an extra 2800$ would be fantastic!

I expect of offense to look a lot like Carolina's did last year, regardless of what RGIII says.

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[quote=JGisLordOfTheRings;923711]I expect of offense to look a lot like Carolina's did last year, regardless of what RGIII says.[/quote]Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see some option concepts, but I don't think that is what they mean by trickeration.

Option concepts are sound football concepts, to me trickerations are trick play/gimmick plays.

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[quote=30gut;923713]Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised to see some option concepts, but I don't think that is what they mean by trickeration.

Option concepts are sound football concepts, to me trickerations are trick play/gimmick plays.[/quote]

Well, specifically I was referring to this quote from RGIII

"there’ll be little tricks here and there, but the majority of our offense will be throwing the ball and running the ball with power."

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[quote=SmootSmack;923745]Well, specifically I was referring to this quote from RGIII

"there’ll be little tricks here and there, but the majority of our offense will be throwing the ball and running the ball with power."[/quote]

Ich auch

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1) This is not saying much -- outside of the Tim Tebow world, NFL offenses always "throw and run a majority of the time". I guess this means we're not running a majority WildCat offense, which is a good thing.

2) The first year is unlikely to have much "trickeration" -- that would come over time.
3) Even if they were planning a lot of "trickeration", he wouldn't tell everyone too much about it now.
4) I hope the "trickeration" never includes the swinging gate again.
5) Don't remember any Super Bowl teams based on "Trickeration"
6) Pretty sure "Trickeration" is not a word.

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[quote=30gut;923752]Ich auch[/quote]

Mach es drei!

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[url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-email-report-bowen-breaks-down-shanahans-game-plan/article/2501437]Redskins email report: Bowen breaks down Shanahan’s game plan | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

This isn’t from a recent game plan, but it is indicative of how Mike Shanahan calls a game. And, yes, I know Kyle Shanahan calls the plays during games, but his dad is heavily involved in both calling plays and planning the script. So it was telling when former Redskins safety Matt Bowen went back and looked over his pregame notes from a Redskins game vs. Denver in 2005. Yes, the game has changed a little bit since that time, but in 2005 Shanahan had a mobile quarterback in Jake Plummer. He will have another one this fall in Robert Griffin III (who obviously should end up being much more dynamic). The zone option read wasn’t in the playbook back then but could be this fall.

You can check out Matt’s notes here at the National Football Post:
[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/An-inside-look-at-Shanahans-game-plan.html]An inside look at Shanahan's game plan | National Football Post[/url]

Bowen provided further detail on things that surprised him or stood out:

1. The running game is the same » “There’s not a lot of power O or counter left. It’s mostly zone blocking still. The personnel will change a little bit. They use more ‘ace’ personnel because of how the NFL is. If you have a healthy Chris Cooley and Fred Davis, you have them both on the field. I don’t know how many fullbacks are left in the NFL really. Not many teams run regular personnel anymore.”

2. The first 15 analysis » “That’s something to check on, to see the first 15 plays and how he scripts them, how they’re different. The first play series across the 40 I have underlined 40 pass. That means a shot to the end zone. We’ll know their shifts and motions by the end of the first 15. He’ll put his best stuff out there in the first 15 plays. You won’t get anything new after that. If you can handle those shifts and motions after the first 15, you’ll be fine. You don’t panic, and you should be able to run your own defense every play. You shouldn’t be so unprepared that you need to check to a Cover 2. You can play the defense called in the huddle, go through the adjustments based off shifts and motions and just play football.”

3. There was a lot of balance to the game plan, even on critical plays » “Fourth down, third-and-short, ball at the 35 or 37 playing to get into field goal position. They used seven runs and four passes. He wants to run the ball in those situations more than pass it. The boot game hasn’t changed at all. They show up on every single page. RGIII is a much better athlete than Jake Plummer, so I would expect the same thing.”

4. Use of personnel » “He used flush-personnel [five receivers] in the two-minute drill – 18 times in the two-minute drill over a span of four games. That’s a lot. I don’t know who their tight end was at that time. That’s now how it is now. He didn’t have a tight end game back then. He would put five receivers on the field. But that would mean he’d have to put Davis on the bench, and I wouldn’t do that.”

5. First- and second-down tips » “Anytime the Z receiver motions into the formation in the slot and he doesn’t have I formation in the backfield, it’s a pass. Anytime the Z motions across the ball, it’s a pass.”

6. Surprises » “I didn’t expect him to run the ball this much. When they were backed up, it was seven runs to four passes. That’s understandable. Critical plays, seven runs and four passes. On the goal line, 11 runs and five passes. In the red zone, 12 runs and eight passes. That stood out to me. There were 20 plays over four games in the red zone, and they used eight passes, and six of those were boots. And the runs in the red zone are leads and stretches. He wants to run misdirection, especially when he had Jake. They run the naked boot and do all of that – and they’re setting up the boot plays.”

7. Another surprise » “There weren’t as many deep balls as I expected. Back then it was Rod Smith, and he was the key to our personnel. They didn’t have many deep route concepts — a lot of throws to the middle of the field – high-low, slants, dig routes, inside seam routes. They have fade routes in there, but they’re not a very vertical offense like you see with Green Bay and New Orleans. … The first two series they’ll take a shot down the field. That’s normal of every team.”

8. Tough to defend » My take: Players talk about using their eyes right and not falling for stuff, but talk to enough players and they will admit they’re often looking at things they shouldn’t. So: “This is the type of game plan that is more about reading your keys because they ran so much misdirection — where are your eyes pointed? We had guys running into each other against Denver.”

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[quote=Hog1;923052]Really.......love this kid.
I nearly cried when I saw what we gave to trade up for him but everything I have seen and read since has made me believe it was a wise and savvy move.
Can't wait........[/quote]Yeah, I would have kept all those picks, myself. Now I'm praying Shanny was right this time. So far so good, but the hype is pretty meaningless till Opening Day. Hopefully the stuff that needs to get done in practice and in study is getting done.

This whole Luck/Griffin controversy reminds me of the Manning/Leaf draft. Both those guys were sure things too. Irsay doesn't seem that football savvy, so I don't mind Shanny picking after him especially since rumor was we'd pick Griffin first regardless. Almost feel sorry for Luck not getting nearly the great press Griffin got, and the situation he's walking into at Indy. But would love to see us look like we got "Manning" while they got "Leaf", this season.

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[QUOTE]
[URL="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1012545/1/index.htm"]Peyton Manning and Ryan Leaf are the class of the NFL draft, but experts say one of them stands head and shoulder pads above the other[/URL]
posted 4/13/1998 on SI.com

...But in the view of a six-man blue-ribbon panel that analyzed game tapes of the players for SI, Leaf doesn't rank as high as Manning. Each expert was asked: If you had to pick one of these players, whom would you take? With different degrees of conviction, each said Manning. Three said they would be shocked if the Colts didn't select him.

The panel was made up of Tampa Bay Buccaneers director of player personnel Jerry Angelo; Sid Gillman, who was instrumental in the development of the West Coach offense; [U]Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan[/U]; former New York Giants quarterback and Super Bowl MVP Phil Simms; UCLA coach Bob Toledo, whose Bruins played Tennessee and Washington State in each of the last two seasons; and former San Francisco 49ers coach Bill Walsh. The panelists raised doubts about Leaf's mental preparedness and mechanics but still liked him as a player. However, they think Manning is the superior prospect at the most important position in the game.

...Leaf admits that he "hit the banquet circuit a little hard and ordered too much room service late at night." Maybe his ballooning to 261 pounds reflected nothing more than a kid loving life and celebrating his newfound celebrity. But maybe it was a red flag.

"I was at the combine for the weigh-in," says Angelo, "and it really surprised me. Here's what could be the biggest day of your life, the day you're going to expose yourself to your future employers for the first time, and you show up out of shape and overweight. To me, that's a signal. The quarterback has to be the CEO of your team. You have to trust him. I'd have some hard questions if that happened and we were going to pick him."
[/QUOTE]


The "Is RG3 another Ryan Leaf" debate is overblown. Cool part is you can go back in time & search on google for articles from 4/1-4/15/1998, right before the 1998 draft. As above, there were concerns about Leaf before the draft (including showing up 20 lbs overweight). Shanahan actually evaluated him at that time (as above) -- and also predicted it wasn't close.

I think we should give RG3 a chance before we call him RG Leaf. We don't know what's going to happen, but I think he's already shown more potential than Leaf ever did.

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It's just possible that both Luck & Griffin live up to or exceed expectations. I seriously doubt that either will be the epic fail that was Ryan Leaf.

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[quote=HailGreen28;923796]Yeah, I would have kept all those picks, myself. Now I'm praying Shanny was right this time. So far so good, [B]but the hype is pretty meaningless till Opening Day[/B]. Hopefully the stuff that needs to get done in practice and in study is getting done.

This whole Luck/Griffin controversy reminds me of the Manning/Leaf draft. Both those guys were sure things too. Irsay doesn't seem that football savvy, so I don't mind Shanny picking after him especially since rumor was we'd pick Griffin first regardless. Almost feel sorry for Luck not getting nearly the great press Griffin got, and the situation he's walking into at Indy. But would love to see us look like we got "Manning" while they got "Leaf", this season.[/quote]
^^^^^^

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[quote=Mattyk;923795][url=http://washingtonexaminer.com/redskins-email-report-bowen-breaks-down-shanahans-game-plan/article/2501437]Redskins email report: Bowen breaks down Shanahan’s game plan | WashingtonExaminer.com[/url]

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]This isn’t from a recent game plan, but it is indicative of how Mike Shanahan calls a game. And, yes, I know Kyle Shanahan calls the plays during games[/COLOR][/B]...The zone option read wasn’t in the playbook back then but could be this fall.[/quote]Read Bowen's article when it came out, great read.

But, neither article, especially Bowen's didn't live up to his billing for me because unless he's doing a 2 part series he never really gets down to answers the question he posed:
[quote]How has the offensive game plan under Mike Shanahan evolved since he was the head coach in Denver? [/quote]

The article is a great breakdown of Mike Shanahan's offense with Mike Shanahan as the playcaller. They both pay lip service and acknowledge that Kyle calls the plays yet never delve into [I][B]Kyle's[/B][/I] playcalling style/tendency.

I would much rather have read about our offense with Kyle Shanahan as the playcaller.


Here are some areas that stand for me:
[quote]3. There was a lot of balance to the game plan, even on critical plays » “Fourth down, third-and-short, ball at the 35 or 37 playing to get into field goal position. They used seven runs and four passes. He wants to run the ball in those situations more than pass it.[/quote]^^Kyle thus far does not share this same balance.

[quote]4. Use of personnel » “He used flush-personnel [five receivers] in the two-minute drill – 18 times in the two-minute drill over a span of four games. That’s a lot. I don’t know who their tight end was at that time. That’s now how it is now. He didn’t have a tight end game back then. He would put five receivers on the field. But that would mean he’d have to put Davis on the bench, and I wouldn’t do that.”[/quote]I would love to see Kyle use more 5 receivers sets especially with Griffin's comfortable level in a spread offense.



[quote]6. Surprises » “I didn’t expect him to run the ball this much. When they were backed up, it was seven runs to four passes. That’s understandable. Critical plays, seven runs and four passes. On the goal line, 11 runs and five passes. In the red zone, 12 runs and eight passes. That stood out to me. There were 20 plays over four games in the red zone, and they used eight passes, and six of those were boots. And the runs in the red zone are leads and stretches. He wants to run misdirection, especially when he had Jake. They run the naked boot and do all of that – and they’re setting up the boot plays.”[/quote]This would be the most pleasant surprise for me considering Kyle's pass first nature but I'm not holding breath.

[quote]7. Another surprise » “There weren’t as many deep balls as I expected. Back then it was Rod Smith, and he was the key to our personnel. They didn’t have many deep route concepts — a lot of throws to the middle of the field – high-low, slants, dig routes, inside seam routes. They have fade routes in there, but they’re not a very vertical offense like you see with Green Bay and New Orleans. … The first two series they’ll take a shot down the field. That’s normal of every team.”[/quote]I hope this is one area that changes to take advantage of Griffin's deep ball acumen, I think they similarly took more shots with Cutler.

[quote]8. Tough to defend » My take: Players talk about using their eyes right and not falling for stuff, but talk to enough players and they will admit they’re often looking at things they shouldn’t. So: “This is the type of game plan that is more about reading your keys because they ran so much misdirection — where are your eyes pointed? We had guys running into each other against Denver.”[/quote]I agree with this completely, I can already envision how much more confusion and hesitiation the offense could cause for defenses with a sprinkling of zone read.

Great article by Matt Bowen though

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It's always fun to see an athlete who's experienced such stardom stay grounded. Glad he's able to keep his sense of humor, and I couldn't be more excited to see what he does for the Skins this year.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;923833]It's just possible that both Luck & Griffin live up to or exceed expectations. I seriously doubt that either will be the epic fail that was Ryan Leaf.[/quote]

We'll know two or three years from now more about Griffin and Luck. Both were great in college but whether or not that talent translates over into the NFL remains to be seen. We will definitely see flashes of greatness from both rookie QBs this year.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;923833][B]It's just possible that both Luck & Griffin live up to or exceed expectations.[/B] I seriously doubt that either will be the epic fail that was Ryan Leaf.[/quote]

LIAR! ONE MUST FAIL!


or not, you never really know till the games are played.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;923970]We'll know two or three years from now more about Griffin and Luck. Both were great in college but whether or not that talent translates over into the NFL remains to be seen. We will definitely see flashes of greatness from both rookie QBs this year.[/quote]

Even Rex had 'flashes' of greatness. blind squirrels and their nuts, etc.