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[quote=Rich Tandler]There are 16 offensive linemen on the roster, the Redskins will keep nine.

[B]In:[/B] Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jammal Brown, Willie Smith, Tyler Polumbus, Josh LeRibeus, Tom Compton
[B]Out:[/B] Erik Cook, Grant Garner, Adam Gettis, Maurice Hurt, Nevin McCaskill, James Lee, Nick Martinez

Changes from 2011: OT Sean Locklear left as free agent (signed with NY Giants); Lee signed as a free agent, LeRibeus, Compton, Gettis selected in draft.

Breakdown[/quote]

Decent article but I don't understand why he would have Maurice Hurt as "OUT"?

Hurt came in and played well for rookie OG.
At the very least he's proven that he's quality depth that can come in and play a few games and not 'vomit on themselves' to steal a line from Doc Walker.

Chris Russell kinda rips hurt here too: @5:30 minute mark [url=http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=428&f=607741]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/url]
What gives?

Anyone wanna talk about the OL?

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Decent article but I don't understand why he would have Maurice Hurt as "OUT"?

Hurt came in and played well for rookie OG.
At the very least he's proven that he's quality depth that can come in and play a few games and not 'vomit on themselves' to steal a line from Doc Walker.

Anyone want to talk about the OL?
[URL="http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=65&c=428&f=607741"]ESPN 980 Audio Vault - Play Now[/URL][/quote]


Yeah, Hurt being "out" is a surprise to me as well. We DEF need as much experienced depth as we can get at OL.

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Wasnt conditioning an issue with Hurt? Thought he played decent. Someone needs to move Tyler Columbus to the out list, hopefully its Gettis or Hurt.

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[quote=Chico23231;923731]Wasnt conditioning an issue with Hurt? Thought he played decent. Someone needs to move Tyler Columbus to the out list, hopefully its Gettis or Hurt.[/quote]

Yeah the knock on Hurt coming out of college was that he was too flabby. Perhaps he hasn't worked hard enough this offseason, who knows. It's still really early though, the competition in camp should be something to watch.

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He's always Hurt......

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[quote=RedskinRat;923736]He's always Hurt......[/quote]

HA! :spank:

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I don't know that camp will alter our starting lineup. But hopefully the camp competition will result in our having better depth on the OL than we've had in some time.

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Gettis? Out? I hope not.

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hurt is depth... quality depth? debatable. but i'd probably keep him and squad compton.

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[quote=That Guy;923748]hurt is depth... quality depth? debatable. but i'd probably keep him and squad compton.[/quote]

Without getting into the advanced stats from sites like like pro football focus (which actually show that Hurt (a [I][B]rookie[/B][/I]) played about the same level as a Chris Chester (who is more expensive and totally overrated but everyone seems to love) for me I took notice that when Hurt settled ino the line-up the running game [I]improved[/I].

If Hurt isn't a potential starter he's at the very least quality depth.

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[quote=30gut;923749]Without getting into the advanced stats from sites like like pro football focus (which actually show that Hurt (a [I][B]rookie[/B][/I]) played about the same level as a Chris Chester (who is more expensive and totally overrated but everyone seems to love) for me I took notice that when Hurt settled ino the line-up the running game [I]improved[/I].

If Hurt isn't a potential starter he's at the very least quality depth.[/quote]

how many teams would he start on? chester isn't really very good either, we just don't have a much better option, but i was asking for his replacement this offseason.

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[quote=That Guy;923748]hurt is depth... quality depth? debatable. but i'd probably keep him and squad compton.[/quote]

I'd say decent quality. He's been in the system a year and he did a damn good job as a road grater late in the season. His pass pro is horrendous though so, there's that.

I'm really hoping we found a diamond in the rough with some of this years OL picks.

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The article stated that Hurt has been moved from G to Tackle which is probably part of the reason that the author thinks that his chances of making the team aren't very good. He would have to beat out Willie Smith, who looked like a talented prospect last season, and Tyler Polumbus, who has more experience than Hurt does at OT, to win a job as a backup.

Another reason may be that the coaches like LeRibeus as a backup at C and G and I'm guessing that Shanny isn't about to cut a 3rd Round draft pick in favor of moving Hurt back to G unless Hurt is clearly the better prospect. Tyler Polumbus is also getting a lot of reps at G.

But who knows what will happen? Preseason games are yet to come and there could be injuries on the OL. Hurt might make the roster, after all.

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With all due respect, I thought Hurt was absolutely atrocious last year. I would hope that Gettis and LeRibeus bring a higher ceiling anyways, so it's not that bad of a trade off.

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[quote=IrMitchell;923806]With all due respect, I thought Hurt was absolutely atrocious last year. I would hope that Gettis and LeRibeus bring a higher ceiling anyways, so it's not that bad of a trade off.[/quote]

Exactly. Personally I hope Campbell is wrong about Gettis as I like him better then LeRiberus. Even though LeRibeus has that "the coaches and scouts saw something in him that we didn't" factor.

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No surprise if we have a same starters across the oline as last season, which doesn't bother me so long as Brown is healthy and much improved from what he's done with us so far. If Brown is still a liability there needs to be some real scrutiny of our FO/coaching staff wrt off-season personnel decisions.

I thought Hurt was learning and improving so it's a little surprising to hear he's not likely to return, but like others said it's still early.

And who the hell is Tom Compton...seriously I don't remember him and watched every game last year.

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[quote=The Goat;923816]No surprise if we have a same starters across the oline as last season, which doesn't bother me so long as Brown is healthy and much improved from what he's done with us so far. If Brown is still a liability there needs to be some real scrutiny of our FO/coaching staff wrt off-season personnel decisions.

I thought Hurt was learning and improving so it's a little surprising to hear he's not likely to return, but like others said it's still early.

[B]And who the hell is Tom Compton...seriously I don't remember him and watched every game last year.[/B][/quote]

2012 draft pick.

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[quote=The Goat;923816]No surprise if we have a same starters across the oline as last season, which doesn't bother me so long as Brown is healthy and much improved from what he's done with us so far. If Brown is still a liability there needs to be some real scrutiny of our FO/coaching staff wrt off-season personnel decisions.

I thought Hurt was learning and improving so it's a little surprising to hear he's not likely to return, but like others said it's still early.

[B]And who the hell is [U]Tom Compton.[/U]..seriously I don't remember him and watched every game last year[/B].[/quote]

Tom Compton is,IMO, the best potential pick after RG3 in the draft we just had this year. He is a very athletic tackle from South Dakota. We definitely could see him starting for us at RT down the line later in the season when, more than likely, jamaal brown gets hurt.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;923823]Tom Compton is,IMO, the best potential pick after RG3 in the draft we just had this year. He is a very athletic tackle from South Dakota. We definitely could see him starting for us at RT down the line later in the season when, more than likely, jamaal brown gets hurt.[/quote]

Ahhh. Small school prospect w/ some potential. I like those types hopefully Compton is a keeper.

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I hate that the starters are being declared before training camp, but I guess that's normal.

I think it's foolish to think our starting OL won't be at least as injury prone, a year older. We need Ribs, Compton, or others to step up and win starting positions, if we're going to protect RGIII adequately.

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Compton's kind of a workout wonder, squats 700 lbs. Reminds me of P.Daniels & his weight lifting competitions. Also a college team captain a couple of years, so ?should be good for locker room. Would like to see him develop, starting at RT may be a stretch this year from a 6th round draft pick, but would be great if he developed that quickly.

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Most rookie OL struggle. (do the people bashing Hurt remember our beloved Trent Williams rookie year? and he was the #4 pick)
Playing on the OL is learned over time the few that are good right out the`gate are usually early picks.

This late round draft pick comes in and plays in a pinch due to injury and the running game improves.

I think its flat out wrong to speculate Hurt as being on the outside looking in terms of making the team.

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It's just Tandler's opinion. And if Shanahan was so sold on Hurt, why go out and draft 2 interior OL? I think Hurt is going to have his work cut out for him in camp.

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Here's my speculation on what they'll do on the OL:

Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jaamal Brown

Maurice Hurt LG
Josh LeRibeus RG
Willie Smith OT
Tyler Polumbus OT/OG,

Tom Compton OT, Adam Gettis OG practice squad/inactive

Here's what I would do:

Trent Williams, Kory L, Chris Chester, LeRib/Hurt, Jamaal Brown

Willie Smith, Maurice Hurt, Tyler P, Tom Compton

Gettis-Practice Squad

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I'll hold off on speculating until we get well into camp.

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[quote=Mattyk;923913]It's just Tandler's opinion. And if Shanahan was so sold on Hurt, why go out and draft 2 interior OL? I think Hurt is going to have his work cut out for him in camp.[/quote]I know its Tandler's opinion and never claimed to know anything about who the staff is or isn't sold on.
I'm in no position to know.
But judging on actual performance and situation it isn't logical for a late round rookie that comes in and plays well in a pinch to be so far on the bubble to be considered out.

Why go out and draft 2 interior OL?

Simple answer, OL play is important and good teams continually address the position via the draft.

But specifically to our team: we lost an interior lineman due to a major injury and scrambled between to find a suitable replacement (tried Will Mont at OG but this caused the OG and the Center position to struggle); and we also start an aging marginal RG (Chester) and a Center that can only play center; regardless of Hurt's play we needed interior OL

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[quote=30gut;923914]Here's my speculation on what they'll do on the OL:

Trent Williams, Kory Lichtensteiger, Will Montgomery, Chris Chester, Jaamal Brown

Maurice Hurt LG
Josh LeRibeus RG
Willie Smith OT
Tyler Polumbus OT/OG,

Tom Compton OT, Adam Gettis OG practice squad/inactive

Here's what I would do:

Trent Williams, Kory L, Chris Chester, LeRib/Hurt, Jamaal Brown

Willie Smith, Maurice Hurt, Tyler P, Tom Compton

Gettis-Practice Squad[/quote]

So you would cut Monty?

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[quote=IrMitchell;923806]With all due respect, I thought Hurt was absolutely atrocious last year. I would hope that Gettis and LeRibeus bring a higher ceiling anyways, so it's not that bad of a trade off.[/quote]

Hurt is not too bad. He was just a rookie last year. But I am excited about LeRibeus and Gettis. A lot has been mentioned about Will Montgomery being a below average talent center, but he seems to be a little better than below average.

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I gotta feeling could be a surprise starter on the OL by the end of preseason.

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[quote=Lotus;923948]So you would cut Monty?[/quote]Yeah, only because he lacks versatility which is very important for an OL in my eyes.
I see him as an average center but he can only play center.
He's not passable at OG even for a short stint and most of our other interior OL can play center: Chester, Lichtensteiger, LeRib, Gettis

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[quote=30gut;923976]Yeah, only because he lacks versatility which is very important for an OL in my eyes.
I see him as an average center but he can only play center.
He's not passable at OG even for a short stint and most of our other interior OL can play center: Chester, Lichtensteiger, LeRib, Gettis[/quote]

That's an interesting take on Monty and probably not a bad idea.

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surprised Lee didnt make the cut.

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These guys have the Skins O-line ranked 10th in the league, i thought the O-line was not real good last year but i love lists!!!! Eli was sacked the most but got the ring.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2011 OFFENSIVE LINES[/url]

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;924835]These guys have the Skins O-line ranked 10th in the league, i thought the O-line was not real good last year but i love lists!!!! Eli was sacked the most but got the ring.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2011 OFFENSIVE LINES[/url][/quote]

10th in [I][B]run blocking[/B][/I] (the ZBS certainly helps the OL as a unit play better then the indiviual lineman)
15th in pass protection

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Let's hope Jamaal Brown holds up this year. He's due to have a good year. After trading a 3rd round pick for him two years ago, he's due for a solid season.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;924835]These guys have the Skins O-line ranked 10th in the league, i thought the O-line was not real good last year but i love lists!!!! Eli was sacked the most but got the ring.

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | 2011 OFFENSIVE LINES[/url][/quote]

Really interesting numbers. At the end they break down success per location of run play, and percentage of runs at each spot. Interesting numbers throughout, especially that we were #2 at rushing up the middle. Pretty good stuff.

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Undrafted rookie CB Chase Minnifield (knee) will reportedly open training camp on the active/PUP list.

Although Minnifield underwent microfracture surgery over the winter, this still comes as a bit of surprise in that the former Virginia star shined while participating fully in June minicamp. The Redskins are building in roster flexibility with the option to leave Minnifield on reserve/PUP for the first six games. RB Tristan Davis (undisclosed) is also expected to open camp on the PUP list.

[url]https://twitter.com/ESPNRadio980/status/225353675579719681[/url]

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7526/chase-minnifield]Chase Minnifield - Washington Redskins - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url]

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[quote=Monkeydad;925203]Undrafted rookie CB Chase Minnifield (knee) will reportedly open training camp on the active/PUP list.

Although Minnifield underwent microfracture surgery over the winter, this still comes as a bit of surprise in that the former Virginia star shined while participating fully in June minicamp. The Redskins are building in roster flexibility with the option to leave Minnifield on reserve/PUP for the first six games. RB Tristan Davis (undisclosed) is also expected to open camp on the PUP list.

[url]https://twitter.com/ESPNRadio980/status/225353675579719681[/url]

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7526/chase-minnifield]Chase Minnifield - Washington Redskins - 2012 Player Profile - Rotoworld.com[/url][/quote]

You know, by the sound of it, it sounds like the Redskins are pretty much saying that Minnifield will make the roster, if they want to treat him by putting him on the PUP list.

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Is Minnifield being moved to OL?

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[quote=SmootSmack;925216]Is Minnifield being moved to OL?[/quote]

Lol Shanny likes em small, give him a shot!