2012 Training Camp Competitions Open Discussion
 

What do you think will be the most important and impactful training camp compeitions?

A general training camp discussion thread....

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For me, its going to be the OL. If the new draftees can turn out to be what we hope they are, and push the incumbents, that can go a long way to improving the offense. The line did pretty good early then injuries hit, and we couldnt replace that effectively enough imo. A good running game and good pass blocking for RG3 will make it so much easier for RG3 to settle in and be the QB we all think he can be. If he is running for his life, that will always slow down the development of a QB. Sure he can run if needed, but I dont want that to be the norm.

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Just curious, who is taking the snaps with the first team now that RGIII hasn't signed yet? Cousins?

Training camp hasnt started yet, so no one is taking first team reps. It's only rookies this week.

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;924871]Just curious, who is taking the snaps with the first team now that RGIII hasn't signed yet? Cousins?[/quote]

Yes .. Being that he's the only other rookie QB ... But I think RGIII will be there soon enough, long before the vets report .

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[quote=redskins5044;924874]Training camp hasnt started yet, so no one is taking first team reps. It's only rookies this week.[/quote]

And also this

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;924871]Just curious, who is taking the snaps with the first team now that RGIII hasn't signed yet? Cousins?[/quote]Griffin will take the first team snaps during training camp which doesn't start until July,26.

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Sure hope so, either way someone needs to give and just get him in and not miss anymore time. That's what I'm worried about.

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To answer the thread question:

1) Every position in the defensive backfield, starter and depth
2) DE - is Jenkins recovered and how high will he go?
3) each position in the interior OL and tackle depth

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No doubt Safety and Corner

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[quote=skinsfaninok;924888]No doubt Safety and Corner[/quote]

Im with you. Everytime I think about the secondary I want to vomit, it's going to be out achilles this year IMO unless Shanny and BA know and see something no one else does.

Only time will tell. Reminds me of '06 after we let ryan clark go. I felt sick the whole offseason leading up to the opening game.

God we we're atrocious on D that year.

[QUOTE=JGisLordOfTheRings;924904]Im with you. Everytime I think about the secondary I want to vomit, it's going to be out achilles this year IMO unless Shanny and BA know and see something no one else does.

Only time will tell. Reminds me of '06 after we let ryan clark go. I felt sick the whole offseason leading up to the opening game.

God we we're atrocious on D that year.[/QUOTE]

A good front seven will help a poor secondary so maybe we'll be ok lol

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[quote=skinsfaninok;924905]A good front seven will help a poor secondary so maybe we'll be ok lol[/quote]

I'm hoping thats the case. Jenkins healthy and in the rotation, Kerrackpo smashing cats and Cofield just making life difficult for centers and guards should be fun to watch at the very least.

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The tight end position will be intriguing to watch. The Redskins, as reported recently, didn't sign Fred Davis to a long term contract. Niles Paul is in the mix as everyone knows. Paul might end up starting a few games this year. He could have a huge impact in the passing game. Chris Cooley is coming off of that knee injury. Based on what Cooley has done in the past, you have to assume that he wants to be a key part of the offense as well.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;924938]The tight end position will be intriguing to watch. The Redskins, as reported recently, didn't sign Fred Davis to a long term contract. Niles Paul is in the mix as everyone knows. Paul might end up starting a few games this year. He could have a huge impact in the passing game. Chris Cooley is coming off of that knee injury. Based on what Cooley has done in the past, you have to assume that he wants to be a key part of the offense as well.[/quote]

Davis is without a doubt our best tight end, a position he's played since college. Paul barely got on the field at his natural positon last year. He's converting to a new position, one which he's never played a snap at. So why would Paul [B]start [/B]a few games over Fred Davis?

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The most impactful competitions in TC:

1. Entire Secondary. I think Chase could start, that's all im saying. Our safety play will improve this year, which is very exciting.

2. Interior Line...I think we coulda upgraded here in the offseason, but we went young which is fine, but Kory L injury is a huge issue, Chester is average, Monty is average. Wouldnt it be nice if someone could step up and take one of their spots?

3. WRs. Gonna be fun to see how these guys slot 1-5 or possibly 6. If we keep 6, then WR is primed for an UDFA to take a spot. I expect AA, Austin, and Aldrick Robinson to be fighting for their lives. Banks is already gone imo.

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The Achilles Heal of this team is our safeties. If you want me to be more specific, its going to be SS. FS I'm also worried about, but if Tanard returns to his form of a season ago, anything close to a pro-bowl caliber form from Tanard and that solves a big portion of the problem. I do think Chase Minnifield will be (judging by what I hear from coaches and reports) our top nickleback. Josh Wilson started to get going at the end of the season in our defense. He should be fine. Its Dhall I'm more worried about. The guy played awful last year. He knew it. He even said 'cut me'. Not exactly encouraging. The good news though is that he is the most experienced veteran in our secondary (or is that the bad thing?). Dhall though is one of the most two-faced CBs in the league. One play he gets burned for a TD. The next play he gets a nice INT. We'll have to see how he does this year but sadly I don't see him doing anything pro bowl like this year, more like how he did last year, just maybe a few less bone head plays. Anyway its SS I'm the most worried about. Who starts? Dejon Gomes the 5th rounder from last year that played some but didn't really do anything starting worthy. Is it Reed Doughty the guy who is slow, gets burned, and should just stick to ST's, even though he's the most experienced veteran safety on our roster. Or is it Brandon Merriweather the 2X pro bowler who is still a F*** Up off the field, got demoted in the bears secondary last year, but is the easily the most talented of the 3...?


The most exciting thing in training camp to watch (Not named Robert Griffin) will be watching Niles Paul's transition to TE. That speed and strength will be very interesting into his transition. He could be similar to Aaron Hernandez (or he could be a julius thomas..exactly). Either way it will be interesting.

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Most people have hit my big 3 already:

DBs: Interesting to see how the CBs and Safeties pan out. I think this is probably our thinnest unit talent wise. Would love to see Tanard Jackson and Merriweather play up to their potential, but that's a utopic view of that position.

WRs: We infused a lot of talent into this position. I'll be extremely curious how the depth chart works out. I'd love to see Garcon and Hankerson as the starters with Morgan coming in as our 3rd and Moss as our 4th. Not sure what we'll see there, but I think the depth chart here will be intriguing.

TEs: Maybe our strongest unit. I think Davis is the starter, but really want to see if Cooley is healthy and what Niles Paul has. I've been hearing nothing but good things about Paul as a receiving TE.

The OL gets honorary mention. I think they came a long way last season. Towards the end of the season our backups really gelled and got some real experience. I think we're stronger there than we're given credit for -- my only huge question mark is RT, especially Brown.

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Starting safeties: Jackson, Merriweather > Gomes,Reed. If Medieu Williams can stay healthy, he can have an impact too.

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QB: Grossman has not said his last word yet...

sorry, just kidding.

Actually I think the Helu/Hightower competition is going to be quite intense. Hightower was unstoppable till he got hurt but hell, then Helu was great !

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[quote=FrenchSkin;924985]QB: Grossman has not said his last word yet...

sorry, just kidding.

Actually I think the Helu/Hightower competition is going to be quite intense. Hightower was unstoppable till he got hurt but hell, then Helu was great ![/quote]

i dont think we'll have much of a "competition" at RB. They'll all get regular playing time. Assuming everyone stays healthy (and they wont), the split between hightower/helu/royster will be 40/30/30. in other words, don't own any of them in a fantasy league.

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I'm most interested in the FS/SS.

Both the players we brought in as potential starters scare the beejesus out of me.
Meriweather scares the hell out of me both on and off the field.
I wonder if he can play assignment sound football without freelancing?
Is he dedicated he to football or trying to play thug?

Tanard Jackson also scares me.
Don't look at pff:
[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/07/06/three-years-of-tackling-efficiency-defensive-backs/[/url]
But they consider him to be one of the worst tackling Safeites in the league.

I'm concerned that we're just chasing ghosts with Meriweather/Jackson.
Which isn't unlike what we did w/ Atogwe except that he could actually play, just had a spot of bad luck w. injuries.
In fact I would rather have restructured Atogwe then signed these Meriweathe/Jackson

M. Williams was heathly and available but was striclty a special teammer last year.

You could argue that Reed Doughty is the most productive S on the roster and he's coming off a bad year.

Dejon Gomes is our lone bright spot, but is he ready to handle the responsibility of being a starting NFL safety?

Jordan Bernstein is my sleeper to make the squad.
I like the combination of size and speed he brings to the table.
And he has the versatility to provide depth to 3 spots CB/FS/SS.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;924985]QB: Grossman has not said his last word yet...

sorry, just kidding.

Actually I think the Helu/Hightower competition is going to be quite intense. Hightower was unstoppable till he got hurt but hell, then Helu was great ![/quote]

I like your thinking newb! Welcome!! Look out this year NFL, cause we're gona Storm the Bastille on your as$%^&!!

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Not exactly the sexiest of competitions, but what about Rackers v. Gano at kicker? I have no idea how that one is going to come out - Rackers is no Shayne Graham (I don't think). A couple of clutch kicks last year = 2-3 more wins.

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;925060]Not exactly the sexiest of competitions, but what about Rackers v. Gano at kicker? I have no idea how that one is going to come out - Rackers is no Shayne Graham (I don't think). A couple of clutch kicks last year = 2-3 more wins.[/quote]

I think Gano has to kick his ass off in camp to keep the job.

Rackers doesn't have the big leg like he used to be he's far more reliable.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;925038]I like your thinking newb! Welcome!! Look out this year NFL, cause we're gona Storm the Bastille on your as$%^&!![/quote]

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[quote=RedskinsInNYC;925060]Not exactly the sexiest of competitions, but what about Rackers v. Gano at kicker? I have no idea how that one is going to come out - Rackers is no Shayne Graham (I don't think). A couple of clutch kicks last year = 2-3 more wins.[/quote]

forgot about that, its gonna be big. I think its gonna be close, but Big Rack will come through. I cant stand another year of Gano

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[quote=Mattyk;925062]I think Gano has to kick his ass off in camp to keep the job.

Rackers doesn't have the big leg like he used to be he's far more reliable.[/quote]

agreed.

a "big leg" isnt as important as it used to be with the new kickoff rules. unless we've gotten a big penalty, rackers should have no problem kicking to the endzone (if thats the play called) on kickoffs

now, a "big leg" IS important with field goals, but gano is inaccurate and unreliable even at short distances. i'd much rather have rackers and know he may not be able to hit anything over 45 yards with any consistency, but be money within 40 than have gano, who is not "money" at any distance.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;925074]agreed.

a "big leg" isnt as important as it used to be with the new kickoff rules. unless we've gotten a big penalty, rackers should have no problem kicking to the endzone (if thats the play called) on kickoffs

now, a "big leg" IS important with field goals, but gano is inaccurate and unreliable even at short distances. i'd much rather have rackers and know he may not be able to hit anything over 45 yards with any consistency, but be money within 40 than have gano, who is not "money" at any distance.[/quote]

Agreed! I hate this feeling when you know you can have a bad surprise, even in a situation where points are accounted for.

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[quote=Chico23231;924941]Banks is already gone imo.[/quote] :(

[quote=30gut;925037]I'm concerned that we're just chasing ghosts with Meriweather/Jackson. Which isn't unlike what we did w/ Atogwe except that he could actually play, just had a spot of bad luck w. injuries. In fact I would rather have restructured Atogwe then signed these Meriweathe/Jackson.

M. Williams was heathly and available but was striclty a special teammer last year.

You could argue that Reed Doughty is the most productive S on the roster and he's coming off a bad year.

Dejon Gomes is our lone bright spot, but is he ready to handle the responsibility of being a starting NFL safety?

Jordan Bernstein is my sleeper to make the squad.
I like the combination of size and speed he brings to the table.
And he has the versatility to provide depth to 3 spots CB/FS/SS.[/quote]Love the breakdown on safeties. I think this is a bigger weakness than corner. Doughty's past what prime he had. Love his effort on D and teams last season, and hope he stays, but if he's starting even at SS next season, we have major issues.

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[quote=Chico23231;924941]The most impactful competitions in TC:

1. Entire Secondary. I think Chase could start, that's all im saying. Our safety play will improve this year, which is very exciting.

2. Interior Line...I think we coulda upgraded here in the offseason, but we went young which is fine, but Kory L injury is a huge issue, Chester is average, Monty is average. Wouldnt it be nice if someone could step up and take one of their spots?

3. WRs. Gonna be fun to see how these guys slot 1-5 or possibly 6. If we keep 6, then WR is primed for an UDFA to take a spot. I expect AA, Austin, and Aldrick Robinson to be fighting for their lives. Banks is already gone imo.[/quote]

4. QB - I think this will be a battle to watch and as excited as I am for RG 3 come game 1 in the regular. I am just as excited to see who Cousins is in the preseason ( remember we are just talking about preseason football but at least we get that for a few weeks before the fun starts ).

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;925142]4. QB - I think this will be a battle to watch and as excited as I am for RG 3 come game 1 in the regular. I am just as excited to see who Cousins is in the preseason ( remember we are just talking about preseason football but at least we get that for a few weeks before the fun starts ).[/quote]

Something tells me that Grossman will outshine Cousins. If Cousins somehow plays better in preseason than Grossman, I still wouldn't be surprised if Cousins is still third string by the first game of the season.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;925149]Something tells me that Grossman will outshine Cousins. If Cousins somehow plays better in preseason than Grossman, I still wouldn't be surprised if Cousins is still third string by the first game of the season.[/quote]

That's fine and dandy. You want Grossman to push Cousins (and Griffin). Grossman understands his role regardless where he falls on the depth chart.

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[quote=HailGreen28;925106]:(

Love the breakdown on safeties. I think this is a bigger weakness than corner. Doughty's past what prime he had. Love his effort on D and teams last season, and hope he stays, but if he's starting even at SS next season, we have major issues.[/quote]

When Reed is being mentioned as the best safety on the roster, you know you have by far the worst safety play in the league.

I think Merriweather, Jackson and Williams are obvious very low risk stop gaps. Id like to see Gomes to take that next step.

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With Chase being put on the PUP list, that is really big news. A) hes made the team...to an extent. B) the injury is still lingering which sux and he will be behind unfortunately C) opens up another opportunity for someone to make the team at CB, maybe Barnes makes the team? D) He's shown enough for the FO to say take it easy and lets get him 100%.

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So other than Chase M who else is on the PUP list? Great that CM is going to get a chance but I don't like the fact that he is ready to go now.

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Assuming Cousins develops well, i wouldnt be surprised if we have a situation where Grossman is the backup if RGIII goes down during a game and/or if he is only going to be out for a couple weeks. However, if RGIII were lost for the season, i think we'd put Cousins in to see what he could do. We've seen what Rex can do already and its turn over the ball atleast twice per game without scoring as many compsentating TDs. If Cousins is worse than Rex, even as a rookie, then i'll start to question why we used a 4th rounder on him.

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[quote=HailGreen28;925106]Love the breakdown on safeties. I think this is a bigger weakness than corner. Doughty's past what prime he had. Love his effort on D and teams last season, and hope he stays, but if he's starting even at SS next season, we have major issues.[/quote]Thanks and I agree that S is a bigger weakness then corner.

I think most fans still judge/base their opinion of Reed from back when he took over at FS after ST21 rip and played poorly.
But, Reed has actually become decent/starting caliber SS.
The advanced metrics bear this out.(football outsiders/profootball focus)
You say Reed's past his prime (and last year was a down year for him) but even last Doughty was still better then Meriweather/Jackson/M.Williams.

I'm ready for a youth movement at Safety.
At least the mistakes youth makes are teachable moments.
A mistake from a veteran is just a reminder that they're not that good.
I know its a longshot but a defensive backfield of Doughty + Gomes or Doughty + Barnes or Doughty + Bernstein would be alright with me.

Aging, struggling, freelancing, headcase, poor tackling safeties scare me.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;925231]So other than Chase M who else is on the PUP list? Great that CM is going to get a chance but I don't like the fact that he is ready to go now.[/quote]

Tristan Davis was the other one on the PUP.

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[quote=30gut;925264]Thanks and I agree that S is a bigger weakness then corner.

I[B] think most fans still judge/base their opinion of Reed from back when he took over at FS after ST21 rip and played poorly.
But, Reed has actually become decent/starting caliber SS.
The advanced metrics bear this out.(football outsiders/profootball focus)
You say Reed's past his prime (and last year was a down year for him) but even last Doughty was still better then Meriweather/Jackson/M.Williams[/B].

I'm ready for a youth movement at Safety.
At least the mistakes youth makes are teachable moments.
A mistake from a veteran is just a reminder that they're not that good.
I know its a longshot but a defensive backfield of Doughty + Gomes or Doughty + Barnes or Doughty + Bernstein would be alright with me.

Aging, struggling, freelancing, headcase, poor tackling safeties scare me.[/quote]

Please tell me why the Shanny's go out and get least talented players to start over Reed? Reed is a backup at best. Another instance of stats lying to ya.