Expectations for Griff and the 2012 Offense
 

What are you expectations for the 2012 offense (statistical and otherwise) for Griffin, RBs, WRs, TEs?

What W-L record do you expect?

Well I'd say in 2010 mcnabb sucked for us and Griffin would have been better:)

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Yeah I think the 2010 offense will be lead by mcnabb and the team will finish 6-10, with a medicore ranking on offense.

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I suppose someone should update this thread title

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haha the other day at work I was dating a form and I put down 2003... funny how the brain slips like that sometimes

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Hit Santana Moss for......two lightning strike TD's late in the Dallas game.

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[quote=Hog1;925782]Hit Santana Moss for......two lightning strike TD's late in the Dallas game.[/quote]

Dropping that 15 lbs turned him back into a blazer HUH?

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I'd like for Williams and Davis to stay clean and Hankerson recover well. If that happens, I don't see why this team couldn't equal or best 9-7. Skins will have a top five rushing attack and three WRs (or two WRs and a TE) will top 1,000 yards.

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to answer the Q.

Skins will finish in the top 15 in total offense
24 PPG scoring and bottom half in Turnovers.

Griffins numbers imo will be along the lines of

57% Comp percentage
3500 yards passing
24 Passing Tds
11 Ints
90 QB rating

500 yards rushing
7 Tds


P. Garcon will lead the team in catches (91)
F. Davis will lead the team in TD catches (11)
P. Garcon will lead team in Yards (1200)

Leading rusher = Roy Helu

and O Line will be much better with the presence of RGIII back there.


Davis and Garcon will be Pro Bowlers (maybe reserve but still)

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Man, I hate doing these things so early, but I'm bored so why not.

Record: 8-8
Griffin: 3,200 yards 18 touchdowns, 12 interceptions, 4 rushing touchdowns
Leading WR: Santana Moss
Leading RB: Evan Royster
Leading TE: Fred Davis

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Record : 11-5, wildcard #1
Griffin : 3800 yards , 62% comp, 25 TDs, 9 INTs, 400 Rushing yards, 8 Rushing TDs, 1 TD reception
Leading RB - Helu 1050 yards, 5 rushing TDs
Leading WR - Garcon 1250 yds, 10 TD
Team Offensive rank - 6th NFL
Team Defensive rank - 18th NFL (5th in turnovers, 25th in passing defense, 6th in rushing)

Special Teams rank - (23rd)



Now, hows that for optimism??????? (It could happen!!!!)

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[quote=Mechanix544;925798]Record : 11-5, wildcard #1
Griffin : 3800 yards , 62% comp, 25 TDs, 9 INTs, 400 Rushing yards, 8 Rushing TDs, 1 TD reception
Leading RB - Helu 1050 yards, 5 rushing TDs
Leading WR - Garcon 1250 yds, 10 TD
Team Offensive rank - 6th NFL
Team Defensive rank - 18th NFL (5th in turnovers, 25th in passing defense, 6th in rushing)

Special Teams rank - (23rd)



Now, hows that for optimism??????? (It could happen!!!!)[/quote]

I like your thinking Mech. I like et elot.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;925799]I like your thinking Mech. [B]I like et elot[/B].[/quote]

:laughing-

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9-7 this year. He is a rookie after all.
Wild card minimum in 2013 and then I expect consistent playoff appearances after that.

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Alvin, maybe it's time to change your sig?

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8-8 Is what I say now, will change after TC & Pre-Season Games.
R Griffin 3: 3800yds passing 66% passer rating, 27tds 14ints, 400yds rushing 8tds.
Helu 1300yds rushing 500 rec, 7tds.
Royster 900 yds rushing 200 rec 8tds
Garcon 1100yds 10tds
Moss 1000yds 7tds
Tank 900yds 5tds
F Davis 1000yds 4tds

OF rank 18th
DF rank 9th

I know everything dosen't match up, but these are just ball-park figures.

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Well, I'd normally come in with some idea that the Skins went out and somewhat fixed the OL, have decent RB's, and have a stable of WR's, and all they had to do was bring in a viable QB and this team could be a winner.

Or ... I'd present that the team lost by 3 to 7 points most of the games they lost in and that with the new QB and his ability to avoid a sack and a more accurate arm I can foresee this team winning more then having lost.

Then I go and look at the magazines and see most have us listed in 4th place in the NFCE and only going 7-9.

[QUOTE=SBXVII;925810]Well, I'd normally come in with some idea that the Skins went out and somewhat fixed the OL, have decent RB's, and have a stable of WR's, and all they had to do was bring in a viable QB and this team could be a winner.

Or ... I'd present that the team lost by 3 to 7 points most of the games they lost in and that with the new QB and his ability to avoid a sack and a more accurate arm I can foresee this team winning more then having lost.

Then I go and look at the magazines and see most have us listed in 4th place in the NFCE and only going 7-9.[/QUOTE]

I stopped reading those mags after they continuously had Dallas in the sb. Lol I mean I swear they r always so damn over hyped, it's been 17 that's right 17 years since their last title!

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I expect the offense to at least be as good as last year when it was 16th in [I]yards[/I].
But, I look for an uptick in [I]points[/I].
Last year it was 26th in scoring with 18 pts a game.

Regardless of the reasons that guided Kyle's previous offenses, I expect a more balanced offense then what we've seen thus far.
I expect an offense that will have a run focus similar to Houston's offense last year and more in keeping with a typical Mike Shanahan's Denver WCO's (especially with Jake Plummer).
I also expect a sprinkling of some read option concepts in the offense.
No where near as much as Denver or even the Panthers.
(^^Although I think it would be a great concept or idea)
I expect to see a lot of boot action/boot keep passing and 5-7 step drop play action passing.
To establish the boot action/play action passing attack I expect more rushing attempts which in turn will create more rushing yards.
The increase in rushing attempts will cause corresponding decrease in passing attempts which will cause a decrease in passing yards.

My expectations for the Griffin's level of success and the teams W-L rest mainly on the shoulders of Kyle Shanahan.
I don't think Griffin will need to run spread or read option concepts to be successful, nor do I expect that Kyle would add a lot of the spread/read option concepts/plays.
I think Griffin is coach proof, he's so talented its gonna be hard to screw him uo.
I think its a no brainer that he'll do well in this offense.
But, to [U]exceed[/U] expectations and really have a good season (ala Newton, Andy Dalton) Kyle is gonna have to build an offense that allows Griff to not only play well for a rookie but to flourish.
But, again even running the same offense we had last year with a little more balance and without read-option or a lot of spread 5 wideout the offense with Griffin should still be good.

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We will get 9-7 and a wild card slot. Win the wild card round, pump up this fan base for the future and lose a close one in the second round of the playoffs.

And on the conservative side...

RGIII throws for 3500, 17 TD, 6 Rushing TD, 9 INT and wins offensive rookie of the year.
We have 2!!! 1000 yard rushers this year.
we have 2!!! 1000 yard receivers this year. (And a 1000 yard TE)

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;925792]to answer the Q.

Skins will finish in the top 15 in total offense
24 PPG scoring and bottom half in Turnovers.

Griffins numbers imo will be along the lines of

57% Comp percentage
3500 yards passing
24 Passing Tds
11 Ints
90 QB rating

500 yards rushing
7 Tds


P. Garcon will lead the team in catches (91)
F. Davis will lead the team in TD catches (11)
P. Garcon will lead team in Yards (1200)

Leading rusher = Roy Helu

and O Line will be much better with the presence of RGIII back there.


Davis and Garcon will be Pro Bowlers (maybe reserve but still)[/QUOTE]

This is best best case scenario. Glass half full, huh?

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I agree with 30gut's "uptick in points".

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;925808]Alvin, maybe it's time to change your sig?[/quote]

After we fire Kyle Shanahan I might.

[QUOTE=hooskins;925824]This is best best case scenario. Glass half full, huh?[/QUOTE]

Yes a little lol

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[quote=Alvin Walton;925834]After we fire Kyle Shanahan I might.[/quote]

Lol!! I hear ya, there is a great chance Kyle is gona screw this up. After watching his pregame speech to the offense before the Eagles game last year i lost what little hope i had in him. There is no way he has gained any respect in the locker room. And then the new secondary coach talking smack during practice punking him down. Shakin my head. But i think RG3 maybe smart enough to overcome daddys little helper.

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We act like Kyle has never run a successful pro offense in his career. Sure it had nothing to do with abysmal offensive talent. That with the additions is still fairly mediocre. No #1 WRs have stood out, no stud RBs, and an okay OL.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;925792]to answer the Q.

Skins will finish in the top 15 in total offense
24 PPG scoring and bottom half in Turnovers.

Griffins numbers imo will be along the lines of

57% Comp percentage
3500 yards passing
24 Passing Tds
11 Ints
90 QB rating

500 yards rushing
7 Tds


P. Garcon will lead the team in catches (91)
F. Davis will lead the team in TD catches (11)
P. Garcon will lead team in Yards (1200)

Leading rusher = Roy Helu

and O Line will be much better with the presence of RGIII back there.


Davis and Garcon will be Pro Bowlers (maybe reserve but still)[/quote]

So, does that put the B&G at 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, 10-6? Or just one more win than last year? And speaking of wins, how about our record against NFCE opponents? Remember, you're half full of it, I mean your glass is half full!
:)

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[quote=Daseal;925848]We act like Kyle has never run a successful pro offense in his career. Sure it had nothing to do with abysmal offensive talent. That with the additions is still fairly mediocre. No #1 WRs have stood out, no stud RBs, and an okay OL.[/quote]

I really like this comment. While everyone likes to bag on KS's playcalling, you do have to realize that he has kept the offenses head above water, and out of the bottom half of the league in alot of the rankings and barometers with an awful, just AWFUL OLine and wide receivers, not to mention the absolutely ATROCIOUS John Beck and Rex "Gross, Man...." I think with the talent we have added at QB, WR and plus another year in the system for our youngsters, a healthy OLine and a chip on Fred Davis' shoulder to show he is the real deal instead of screwing it up, expectations for KS SHOULD be high, and I for one really think that our offense will light it up in comparison to the years of the past, ie not being able to break 20 points in a season. I can almost guarantee that if RG3 stays healthy, that we will have more games above 20 points than below. Just thinking back two years ago, look how much he did with so utterly little talent on this squad. I mean, Rabach, our pen of old washed up WR's, Grossman, a broken cooley, Moss injured and not 100%, rookie runningbacks and a castoff from the Arizona Cardinals (their 2nd or 3rd stringer................

Kyle will prove his worth this year, and I for one am ready to sit down and watch the fireworks!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=backrow;925849]So, does that put the B&G at 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, 10-6? Or just one more win than last year? And speaking of wins, how about our record against NFCE opponents? Remember, you're half full of it, I mean your glass is half full!
:)[/QUOTE]

I think realistic expectations should be around 8-8

W/L vs NFCE?

1-1 against NYG
2-0 Vs Dallas
0-2 Vs Philly ( I think the Eagles will be very good this year)

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[quote=Mechanix544;925850]I really like this comment. While everyone likes to bag on KS's playcalling, you do have to realize that he has kept the offenses head above water, and out of the bottom half of the league in alot of the rankings and barometers with an awful, just AWFUL OLine and wide receivers, not to mention the absolutely ATROCIOUS John Beck and Rex "Gross, Man...." I think with the talent we have added at QB, WR and plus another year in the system for our youngsters, a healthy OLine and a chip on Fred Davis' shoulder to show he is the real deal instead of screwing it up, expectations for KS SHOULD be high, and I for one really think that our offense will light it up in comparison to the years of the past, ie not being able to break 20 points in a season. I can almost guarantee that if RG3 stays healthy, that we will have more games above 20 points than below. Just thinking back two years ago, look how much he did with so utterly little talent on this squad. I mean, Rabach, our pen of old washed up WR's, Grossman, a broken cooley, Moss injured and not 100%, rookie runningbacks and a castoff from the Arizona Cardinals (their 2nd or 3rd stringer................

Kyle will prove his worth this year, and I for one am ready to sit down and watch the fireworks!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

I'd have to agree with you.

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I'm gonna break my expectations down in categories:

(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense

(2) Project Griff into the offense but with a more balanced run/pass attack

Category (1)

avg: 598 atts (IIRC would be a NFL record for a rookie)
avg: 7.5 ypa (gave Griff a bump in ypa b/c of his deep ball acccuracy and improved WRs targets)
avg: 58.1 comp %
avg: 3.35 TD %
avg: 3.1 INT % (lowered the INT % b/c Rex is well Rex; he's an INT anomaly for the offense)

pluggin Griff into the offense with the above factors:

4,485 yards
58.1 comp %
20 TDs
18 INTs


(W-L) 7-9

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[quote=30gut;925853]I'm gonna break my expectations down in categories:

(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense

(2) Project Griff into the offense but with a more balanced run/pass attack

Category (1)

avg: 598 atts
avg: 7.5 ypa (gave Griff a bump in ypa b/c of his deep ball acccuracy and improved WRs targets)
avg: 58.1 comp %
avg: 3.35 TD %
avg: 3.1 INT % (lowered the INT % b/c Rex is well Rex; he's an INT anomaly for the offense)

pluggin Griff into the offense with the above factors:

4,485 yards
58.1 comp %
20 TDs
18 INTs


(W-L) 7-9[/quote]


what about W/L vs NFCE?

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;925847]Lol!! I hear ya, there is a great chance Kyle is gona screw this up. After watching his pregame speech to the offense before the Eagles game last year i lost what little hope i had in him. There is no way he has gained any respect in the locker room. And then the new secondary coach talking smack during practice punking him down. Shakin my head. But i think RG3 maybe smart enough to overcome daddys little helper.[/quote]

Kyle is the most popular coach on the team, and one of the most popular people in the organization.

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[quote=30gut;925853]I'm gonna break my expectations down in categories:

(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense...
pluggin Griff into the offense with the above factors:

[COLOR="DarkRed"]598 attempts[/COLOR]
4,485 yards
58.1 comp %
20 TDs
18 INTs

(W-L) 7-9[/quote]
(1) Project Griffin into the offense we've seen thus far with NO changes to the offense...

I forgot to factor in Griffin's rushing which changes the numbers for me.
Some possible pass attempts/incompletions/completion will become successful rushing yards.
Which lower his pass yards but raise his comp % and lower his int %.
And Griffin's playmaking could result in a few more TDs.


543 atts---(598 atts avg - 55 imprv(15 call) rushing attempts)
347~(ish) comp--- (some completions will also turn into runs)
455 rush yards--(70 attempts @ 6.5 ypc)
4,072 pass yards
61 comp %
23 TDs
15 INT

3-3 NFC East
7-9 Overall

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I really don't like to my predictions when it comes to stats, but I do have expections for this offense.

[B]RG3[/B]

I think he's going to be really good right out the gate. With his elite speed, athleticism, and passing ability I expect him to make a lot of explosive plays. However, I also expect him to make some bad reads here, throw some interceptions, miss some guys here and there, etc. All in all I think he will be the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year.

[B]Fred Davis[/B]

I think Fred Davis is going to have a huge year. This guy is very talented. He'll have 1000 yds this season.

[B]WR[/B] I think Garcon is going to be a lot better than what people think. He's going to make a lot of big plays. I'm not sure about Morgan. There is no doubt that he's talented, however, lets see how he rebounds from that injury. The same goes for Hankerson as well. I see this guy got all the tools, but he's coming off of hip surgery. I have to see how he looks when he gets back on the field. I think Moss will be effective.

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He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. And that he seems smart not just physically but mentally and emotionally as well. Not just as a player but as a person it seems.

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Offense 21 PPG
record: 9-7
3-3 NFCE

Gryphon:
59% comp.
6.9 YPA
2850 yards
24 TD
14 INT
550 rushing yards

Garcon 75-1150-7
Morgan 70-950-4
Moss 65-90-3
Davis 80-980-7

Running back by committee:
2200 yards - 15 TD
leading rusher: Helu
most TDs: Royster

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^^Wow, that would be an impressive and welcome paradigm shift in terms of the offense.

Last year the rushing game produced 1614 yards (25th) on 400 att (25th)
If we had 2200 rush yards this year it would rank 6th in the NFL.

I gotta ask though, why/how so few passing yards?

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[quote=Lotus;925870]Offense 21 PPG
record: 9-7
3-3 NFCE

Gryphon:
59% comp.
6.9 YPA
2850 yards
24 TD
14 INT
550 rushing yards

[B][I]Garcon 75-1150-7
Morgan 70-950-4
Moss 65-90-3
Davis 80-980-7[/I][/B]

Running back by committee:
2200 yards - 15 TD
leading rusher: Helu
most TDs: Royster[/quote]

Are these assuming someone other than Griffin is throwing passes at some point? Otherwise, the mathz don't seem right.

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[quote=30gut;925871]^^Wow, that would be an impressive and welcome paradigm shift in terms of the offense.

Last year the rushing game produced 1614 yards (25th) on 400 att (25th)
If we had 2200 rush yards this year it would rank 6th in the NFL.

I gotta ask though, why/how so few passing yards?[/quote]

Passing yards because Gryphon is a rookie.

As far as the "paradigm shift," I don't see it that way as much as I am just accounting for the fact that Griff will add yards on the ground that Wrecks/Beck did not.