Should Billy Cundiff still be cut!
 

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]IMO I don't think he saved his job be making that game winning field goal. If he had made the other 2 kicks (if you want to exclude the 57 yarder) then we would have been in a clock killing kneel down mode not scrambling to [B]TRYING[/B] to win the game.[/FONT][/COLOR]

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I would say give him another game, everybody has a bad day... With that said, I was ready to kill him on Sunday.... j/k

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If there's someone out there on the street that could do a better job, he would probably be here already. Put kicker on the list for next offseason.

If he had missed that last kick, chances are he would have been gone.

He bought himself another week.

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I dunno. If it wasn't for his kickoffs, I'd say that last kick didn't save him. It's just so hard to imagine someone missing every kick but one and still keeping their job.

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He BARELY bought himself another week!

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I just don't understand why they cut both Rackers and Gano for Cundiff. That simply makes 0 sense to me.

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[quote=skinsfan69;948085]I just don't understand why they cut both Rackers and Gano for Cundiff. That simply makes 0 sense to me.[/quote]

It's still a head scratcher. I mean, I like the fact that most of Cundiff's kick-offs are endzone bound, but in the grand scheme of things, you need a consistent field goal kicker.

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[quote=Mattyk;948055]If there's someone out there on the street that could do a better job, he would probably be here already. [B]Put kicker on the list for next offseason.[/B]
If he had missed that last kick, chances are he would have been gone.

He bought himself another week.[/quote]

Will do:

1. CornerBack
2. Right Tackle
3. Free Safety
4. Kicker

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One week. It was one week. You cut a kicker for being bad...in general. One week really isn't enough to determine that he is bad. It really isn't. He misses any this week and I'd bet he's gone. But they should never cut a guy for one bad week.

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[quote=skinsfan69;948085]I just don't understand why they cut both Rackers and Gano for Cundiff. That simply makes 0 sense to me.[/quote]

It's not as if Gano or Rackers are in high demand. They're both sitting at home. I think you could flip a coin between all three and get similar production.

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Old kickers don't typicaly beat the yips. Younger kickers do. Bring Gano back. I can deal with inconsistency in a player that will eventually pull through -- I can't with a veteran.

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I'd rather the team focuses on how to actually score TDs instead of FGs and improve that 3rd down conversion rate. Because those things are going to lose us games more than Cundiff.

That being said, I am sure the Redskins will do their due diligence and bring in some kicker competition this week. I'm a bit bummed that some teams out there have picked up rookie FA who are doing well and with our kicking woes the only competition was between Rackers and Gano.

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[quote=Mattyk;948055]If there's someone out there on the street that could do a better job, he would probably be here already. Put kicker on the list for next offseason.

If he had missed that last kick, chances are he would have been gone.

He bought himself another week.[/quote]



Pretty much this.


I still didn't think Cundiff was a upgrade over Gano.

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They aren't bringing in any kickers this week, and I don't think they should. For one thing, going into Sunday Cundiff had only missed one kick (a 62 yarder he never should have taken). But more importantly, they can't just quit on him after one poor game after making so adamant a commitment to him just a month ago.

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Keep Cundiff.
Score more touchdowns.
Make more interceptions.
Sack more QBs.
Stuff more RBs.
Play better defense.

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Should this thread title have a question mark at the end of it!

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[quote=Alvin Walton;948119]Keep Cundiff.
Score more touchdowns.
Make more interceptions.
Sack more QBs.
Stuff more RBs.
Play better defense.[/quote]

Seems like a recipe for ass kicking, let me check with Rex Ryan.

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[quote=SmootSmack;948118]They aren't bringing in any kickers this week, and I don't think they should. For one thing, going into Sunday Cundiff had only missed one kick (a 62 yarder he never should have taken). But more importantly, they can't just quit on him after one poor game after making so adamant a commitment to him just a month ago.[/quote]

Good point, 2 of his misses this year were out of his range and nothing more than prayer shots. Missing the 31 yarder though, that hurts. Can't have those types of misses.

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[quote=SmootSmack;948118]They aren't bringing in any kickers this week, and I don't think they should. For one thing, going into Sunday Cundiff had only missed one kick [B][I](a 62 yarder he never should have taken)[/I][/B]. But more importantly, they can't just quit on him after one poor game after making so adamant a commitment to him just a month ago.[/quote]

Yes,another terrible judgement call by Shanahan.
I agree with you,they shouldnt cut him after ONE bad game but it wouldnt bother me if they did,I still think we should have kept Rackers.I was surprised the Texans let him go,I dont think it was performance based,must have been a contract issue

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Cundiff hopefully just had one bad game. However if he misses more than 1 kick next game. His ass is grass, kick him out of here!

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[quote=SmootSmack;948118]They aren't bringing in any kickers this week, and I don't think they should. For one thing, going into Sunday Cundiff had only missed one kick (a 62 yarder he never should have taken). But more importantly, they can't just quit on him after one poor game after making so adamant a commitment to him just a month ago.[/quote]

Smoot I agree with you on Cundiff, but I will add that the Falcons are totally explosive on offense and every possesion will count this Sunday, so he better make all his FGs this week. The Skins will not be able to stop this team on defense, they will score 30+, the Redskins can only hope to stay with them.

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I don't know that either Rackers or Gano is an upgrade or downgrade over Cundiff. They are all about the same despite having different strengths/weaknesses.

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as a kicker, i say keep him. as a redskins fan, i say keep him.

if he wets the top bunk again, then start sniffing around the hamper for the cleanest dirty shirt.
on a gano note, was he ever seen practicing kicking over a "wall"? something like 12 ft high, about 8 yds in front of him. his trajectory has room for improvement. he did nail that 59 yarder once upon a time

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[quote=SmootSmack;948118]They aren't bringing in any kickers this week, and I don't think they should. For one thing, going into Sunday Cundiff had only missed one kick (a 62 yarder he never should have taken). But more importantly, they can't just quit on him after one poor game after making so adamant a commitment to him just a month ago.[/quote]

so youre of the mindset that, when you make a horrible mistake, and it becomes glaringly obvious that you made a horrible mistake, and you actually have a way to easily correct your mistake, that you should just stay the course because a month ago you made a strong committment to your mistake? To me, thats arrogant, and thats exactly what the shanahans are doing. They are letting egos get in the way of good football sense.

The skins sticking with Cundiff is like the NFL sticking with the replacement refs after week 2, when it was glaringly obvious they were horrible. The real refs were ready. Instead of correcting their mistake then, the NFL stuck with the replacement refs until an eggregious error was made on MFN at the end of week 3. The NFL stuck with the replacement refs "a week too long," when they could have brought in the real refs "a week too early."

We dodged a bullet when Cundiff BARELY made the game winning kick... but the skins keeping him is arrogant and foolish. Cundiff was HORRIBLE in week 4. He has ZERO chance of making kicks beyond 45 yards and he's inconsistent with shorter kicks.

Sooner or later, Cundiff will single-leggedly loses a game for us. I'd rather cut him and bring in Gano a week too early than keep him a week too long.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;948152]so youre of the mindset that, when you make a horrible mistake, and it becomes glaringly obvious that you made a horrible mistake, and you actually have a way to easily correct your mistake, that you should just stay the course because a month ago you made a strong committment to your mistake? To me, thats arrogant, and thats exactly what the shanahans are doing. They are letting egos get in the way of good football sense.

The skins sticking with Cundiff is like the NFL sticking with the replacement refs after week 2, when it was glaringly obvious they were horrible. The real refs were ready. Instead of correcting their mistake then, the NFL stuck with the replacement refs until an eggregious error was made on MFN at the end of week 3. The NFL stuck with the replacement refs "a week too long," when they could have brought in the real refs "a week too early."

We dodged a bullet when Cundiff BARELY made the game winning kick... but the skins keeping him is arrogant and foolish. Cundiff was HORRIBLE in week 4. He has ZERO chance of making kicks beyond 45 yards and he's inconsistent with shorter kicks.

Sooner or later, Cundiff will single-leggedly loses a game for us. I'd rather cut him and bring in Gano a week too early than keep him a week too long.[/quote]

You make some good points but I dont see why anyone would want to go back to Gano.The only think Gano has over cundiff is the ability to occasionaly make a long fg

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;948152]so youre of the mindset that, when you make a horrible mistake, and it becomes glaringly obvious that you made a horrible mistake, and you actually have a way to easily correct your mistake, that you should just stay the course because a month ago you made a strong committment to your mistake? To me, thats arrogant, and thats exactly what the shanahans are doing. They are letting egos get in the way of good football sense.

The skins sticking with Cundiff is like the NFL sticking with the replacement refs after week 2, when it was glaringly obvious they were horrible. The real refs were ready. Instead of correcting their mistake then, the NFL stuck with the replacement refs until an eggregious error was made on MFN at the end of week 3. The NFL stuck with the replacement refs "a week too long," when they could have brought in the real refs "a week too early."

We dodged a bullet when Cundiff BARELY made the game winning kick... but the skins keeping him is arrogant and foolish. Cundiff was HORRIBLE in week 4. He has ZERO chance of making kicks beyond 45 yards and he's inconsistent with shorter kicks.

Sooner or later, Cundiff will single-leggedly loses a game for us. I'd rather cut him and bring in Gano a week too early than keep him a week too long.[/quote]

You'd rather have Gano single-leggedly lose a game for us?

It's not like Gano is a world-beater.

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I'm of the mindset that if you were going to cut him after one poor game (in which he made the winning kick anyway) then you shouldn't have signed him in the first place. There's a fine line between arrogance and loyalty. On the one hand, you could say Shanahan is being arrogant. On the other you could say Shanahan needs to show his players he's loyal to them even through mistakes.

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Lovin Cundiff work on kickoffs. Gano had multiple kicks out of bounds resulting in the starting spot of the 40 last year, thats insane. Cundiff getting more touchbacks as well.

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Debating whether to have Gano, Rackers, or Cundiff on your team is like debating on which flavor of turd you want to eat. Chocolate, Strawberry, or Raspberry. Does it matter? It's still a turd and tough to stomach.

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[quote=Chico23231;948122]Seems like a recipe for ass kicking, let me check with Rex Ryan.[/quote]

It was funny as hell when he said you get a punt blocked and they only rush one guy at first i thought he was BS's. Then the showed the footage and he was right the 49ers blocked a punt only rushing one FN guy. I got a feeling Danny Smith will rally our troops on ST's.

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I don't see arrogance in sticking with Cundiff. Is it really good football sense to cut your kicker when there aren't any better options out there? What do you do... bring back Gano and cut him when he goes 1/4?

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;948164]It was funny as hell when he said you get a punt blocked and they only rush one guy at first i thought he was BS's. Then the showed the footage and he was right the 49ers blocked a punt only rushing one FN guy. I got a feeling Danny Smith will rally our troops on ST's.[/quote]

That press conference was hilarious. Rex looks funny as hell when he is pissed. Had a buddy (big Patroits fan and from Boston) get to talk to him one-on-one at a fund raiser in NYC 2 years ago. Said Rex is just a normal dude, completely approachable and they laughed for like 30 mins.

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[quote=Chico23231;948171]That press conference was hilarious. Rex looks funny as hell when he is pissed. Had a buddy (big Patroits fan and from Boston) get to talk to him one-on-one at a fund raiser in NYC 2 years ago. Said Rex is just a normal dude, completely approachable and they laughed for like 30 mins.[/quote]

I really want Rex to get fired so he can be our next D coord. I am sure the media would love the Ryan vs. Ryan story when we play the Cowpukes.

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[quote=NC_Skins;948163]Debating whether to have Gano, Rackers, or Cundiff on your team is like debating on which flavor of turd you want to eat. Chocolate, Strawberry, or Raspberry. Does it matter? It's still a turd and tough to stomach.[/quote]
:lol:

I dont see why people are still giving love to Gano {not you} but Rackers cant get any?
From everything I read in preseason and training camp,Rackers was outkicking Gano,but then they cut Rackers?
Looking at fg percentage,Rackers is clearly above the other 2,especially over the last 3 yrs
[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/rackenei01.htm]Neil Rackers NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/cundibil01.htm]Billy Cundiff NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GanoGr44.htm]Graham Gano NFL Football Statistics - Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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he's either a little better or just as crappy as gano. if we're firing him, we need to bring in a GOOD kicker, not just replacement trash - that won't help us. there isn't an upgrade sitting at home right now, just more of the same.

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Has anyone even tried returning a kick on us this frikkin year? Cundiff is our best defensive ST player. That has a huge value. The guy obviously has some leg, kicking it into the stands on kickoffs. I say give him another chance. He has only really missed 2 FG's this year, and he DID make a game winner that was over 40 yards. He'll be just fine, and I'm sure he is still an upgrade after gano. That guy was just trash. Just because he was young and the skins brought him in, alot of Redskins fans have loyalty to him, ie wanting him to succeed so bad they overlook his shittiness. Even with the two misses, Cundiff is still better than gano.

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[quote=Mattyk;948055]If there's someone out there on the street that could do a better job, he would probably be here already. Put kicker on the list for next offseason.

If he had missed that last kick, chances are he would have been gone.

He bought himself another week.[/quote]

That about sums it up.

I wouldn't complain if we started going for it on 4th down as long as we're at the 50 yard line or better.

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[quote=Chico23231;948160]Lovin Cundiff work on kickoffs. Gano had multiple kicks out of bounds resulting in the starting spot of the 40 last year, thats insane. Cundiff getting more touchbacks as well.[/quote]

Good point. Gano's kickoffs to row 4 (behind the players bench) we're infuriating.

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[quote=Ruhskins;948174]I really want Rex to get fired so he can be our next D coord. I am sure the media would love the Ryan vs. Ryan story when we play the Cowpukes.[/quote]

This, all season long. When I resign myself to accepting Shanny will be here for 5 years, replacing Haslett is a must.

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[quote=The Goat;948184]Good point. Gano's kickoffs to row 4 we're infuriating.[/quote]

Can Jabar kick too?