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Im watching the combine broadcast right now, he just ran his first 40 at 4.61.

He had three false starts or whatever you want to call them, his second run should be faster. He looks freaking huge running out there.

Williamson is following Mike. He ran a 4.38 on his first run. He had one flase start. He looks fast.

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as a second note. After Williams and Williamson made their runs, they moved the camera over to Gibbs who immediatly made a phone call.

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Williams just did his second run, with a 4.59. Only one false start this time.

As a side note, Michael clayton also ran a 4.59 and was teh most productive rookie last year.

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Troy Williamson just ran his second, 4.40 unoffically, so his time dropped a little, but is still fast.

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how about that guy from hampton running around 4.35 or something like that I think it was?

and willams looked in pretty good shape for a guy who hadn't played in a year. anyone know what his vertical and broad jumps were?

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mike williams running a 4.59 as his best time could be good for us because if he ran anything much better there would be no chance of him dropping to us, now there is. I still dont think we will be able to get him if we dont trade up however. If were lucky the bears won't get williams or edwards. However then the titans could pick up one of them because of mason leaving the team. If this happens then the vikes will almost certainly pick up the other one and we will have a tough choice. If williams and edwards are gone, is williamson too high to take at 9th or should we trade down and take the risk of losing him to the chargers or cowboys, or someone else?

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What did Art Monk run the 40 in? I take it Williams will be a possession receiver, not a burner, so high speed may not matter as much as rotue running, hands, size...

Still, I agree, let's hope this drops his stock so we have the option if we want it.

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Didn't Boldin run a crappy 40 too before his rookie season?

A 4.6 isn't all that bad for a guy with Williams size

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The Titans don't need another reciever, I hear they are happy with Calico and Bennett, so I think that counts them out for another reciever

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although im hoping that either williams or edwards will drop to us at the 9th pick, the truth is i doubt that will happen. i am afraid that someone will trade up for the bears pick to select one of them, maybe the cowgirls or the chargers. My question remains if both williams and edwards are gone, what do we do with the ninth pick? i would like to see us get williamson but i think 9th overall is too high, but then again do we run the risk of him being taken while trading down for more picks? WHAT DO WE DO?

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the bears just signed Mushin, Bucs needs a running back more than a receiver. The Vikings should go defense...everything points to peopel trading up to draft one of those two receivers in my opinion. But I dont see them both going before out pick the way things stand right now

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That guy from Hampton who was mentioned previously is named Jerome Mathis and I have seen him play live. He is, quite simply, the fastest human being I have ever seen. If we don't get a WR in the first (and quite frankly even if we do) I would love to get him in the 3rd. He was the best kick returner in I-AA football in addition to being a top WR. Also, he dominated the Gridiron Classic All-Star game. He would immediately become a top KR in the league, and could eventually be a Santana Moss-mold WR.

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They also said Williams was more suited to west coast type offense............if Gibbs is going to short passes..........that's us.

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And in response to Williams' 40...

No its not a bad time for someone his size. The thing is, he has been telling people that he would run a sub-4.45. If that was the case, there was no way he would get out of the top 3. If he ran even a sub-4.5, we would have no shot at getting him at 9. With this fortuitous turn of events, he could very definitely fall a bit. And don't discount the running of Troy Williamson. I don't think he will be worth our pick, but if you think more deeply about it, he may be a VERY enticing option for the Vikings at 18. If they think they can get him there, they might very well move to pick up Johnson, Rolle, or Jones at number 7.

If we want to move down, I think perhaps the best team to trade with is the Texans. They have two 3rd rounders, and would be much more likely to part with a 2nd b/c of that. They could be looking to snare Pac-Man or Antrel (Aaron Glenn is ancient), or maybe even Marcus Spears or Shawne Merriman for their 3-4 if they impress. At 13, I definitely think we could still get Williamson and perhaps a new 2nd rounder.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]as a second note. After Williams and Williamson made their runs, they moved the camera over to Gibbs who immediatly made a phone call.[/QUOTE]

And the comment the announcers made.......Joe's calling to say he saw some fast time. And at least Joe was awake......did you see the shot of Mike Martz sleeping during the QB drills.....................

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i see someone trading for the bears pick to get edwards and the vikes will not be able to pass up williams, who tice is already talking about filling moss' giant shoes with. i think without trading up to bears spot we wont get williams or edwards, leaving us to most probably trade down to get williamson.

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Matt Jones is an interesting prospect ran under 4.4 unofficialy 6'6" 242 he could be a real sleeper played QB at Arkansas but is projected as a WR he look's like he has the hand's and the ability to make the switch, could be another Drew Bennett.

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Just for my own edification, FARAPS, do you have a link to where Tice was talking about Williams filling Moss's shoes? And also, I don't see any comparison between Moss and Williams whatsoever.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Matt Jones is an interesting prospect ran under 4.4 unofficialy 6'6" 242 he could be a real sleeper played QB at Arkansas but is projected as a WR he look's like he has the hand's and the ability to make the switch, could be another Drew Bennett.[/QUOTE]

If he is 6'6" 240 and runs a 4.4 he is a freak of nature and that would be an awesome project for the skins.

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e16bball, heres your link: [url]http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8229368/2[/url]

"It will on draft day if he does stay on the board longer than many expect. Some have him pegged to go to the Minnesota Vikings with the seventh overall pick, one they acquired from Oakland for Randy Moss -- although that would hinge on an explosive 40 time. The thinking is Williams will fill Moss's shoes, something that was mentioned when Williams met with Vikings coach Mike Tice Thursday night.

I told him I wouldn't be trying to fill Randy Moss's shoes," Williams said. "Those shoes are cut to his feet. I think I'll bring my pair. I'll bring my own attitude, my own playing style and my own demeanor. Just be me. The comparisons are inevitable. You're going to get them no matter what team you go to. At the end of the day, you still have to put in the work and establish your own identity."

sure maybe the direct quote wasnt from coach tice himself but judging by the way williams is talking i think tice told him that he would be coming to minnesota if he is on the board for them.

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[QUOTE=offiss]Matt Jones is an interesting prospect ran under 4.4 unofficialy 6'6" 242 he could be a real sleeper played QB at Arkansas but is projected as a WR he look's like he has the hand's and the ability to make the switch, could be another Drew Bennett.[/QUOTE]

He intrigued me too Offiss.....................real athletic.............

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Yeah, I heard Jones would be an H-Back until he blazed that 4.39, now they're saying wideout all the way.

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I think that we should trade down and pick up Mark Clayton, from what I saw of him in the drills he looks really good. I think that we would be able to add picks and still get a good WR out of the draft.

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Wow - Mike Williams ran that fast? With that speed I'll break down and say that's the man I want as of right now.

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It's interesting FARAPS, but these teams talk to every player they could possibly be targeting. I'm sure that Williams has talked or will talk to Gibbs, as well, they just didn't ask him about filling Laveranues Coles' shoes. It's not quite as interesting of a story.

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[QUOTE=jdlea]Yeah, I heard Jones would be an H-Back until he blazed that 4.39, now they're saying wideout all the way.[/QUOTE]

A 6'6" 250 pound wide receiver, hahahah. That has a 4.4 40, and played college basketball so he has amazing hands... and hes a country boy blue collar worker. Looks like he needs to be a Redskin for sure.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Wow - Mike Williams ran that fast? With that speed I'll break down and say that's the man I want as of right now.[/QUOTE]


I agree on William's, that's plenty of speed for his size and athletic ability, there's no question of whether or not he can catch the ball probably the best hand's in the draft.

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[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]A 6'6" 250 pound wide receiver, hahahah. That has a 4.4 40, and played college basketball so he has amazing hands... and hes a country boy blue collar worker. Looks like he needs to be a Redskin for sure.[/QUOTE]


Bigger and faster than William's but not as polished I would be happy if we came out of this draft with this kid, what about William's and Jones we would have the 2 biggest reciever's in NFL history, Gibb's ushered in the era of big lineman perhap's this could be his next legacy the era of huge WR's that would be interesting.

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i think williams would be a great fit for us, we have jacobs and coles (if he stays) to provide plenty of speed but we lack a big reciever who can make plays in the redzone. williams would be a perfect fit for us, helping solve our redzone woes and helping us score more points, although i think to get our man we will need to trade up to the bears pick which i wouldnt be against doing.

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[QUOTE=e16bball]That guy from Hampton who was mentioned previously is named Jerome Mathis and I have seen him play live. He is, quite simply, the fastest human being I have ever seen. If we don't get a WR in the first (and quite frankly even if we do) I would love to get him in the 3rd. He was the best kick returner in I-AA football in addition to being a top WR. Also, he dominated the Gridiron Classic All-Star game. He would immediately become a top KR in the league, and could eventually be a Santana Moss-mold WR.[/QUOTE] I watched all the runs and he ran a 4.32 then a 4.31. He was smoken. I love this guy as a sleeper in the 2nd or the 3rd round. But I guarentee somone else picks him before we do. Williams was slower then I thought but he is one big dude.

Anybody know what KJ Harris from WVU ran yesterday. He had an incredible broad jump today. Remember short yardage back on the goal line.

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I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Kay Jay ran a 4.55. That doesn't sound very impressive, but he checks in around 240 lbs.

And don't forget RB Brandon Jacobs, who weighed in at 260, but ran a 4.6, the same as Williams. That kid could be a beast out of So. Illinois.

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That Matt Jones guy just made himself millions of dollars. He went from being a nobody to a first round pick.

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Portis ran a 4.4 at the combine. Sean Taylor ran at his proday and got a 4.5 but had a pulled hamstring, he was clocked before the injury and after he healed in the 4.3 range. Just to put things into comparrison

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Fellas, I don't mean to burst your bubble on Mike Williams, but I don't think there's any way we're going to get a shot at him unless we trade up. The Titans just hired Norm Chow as their offensive coordinator, he was the coach of the offense at USC and coached Williams while he was there. I can't imagine that the Titans would be totally uninterested in him.

Plus as was mentioned, the Vikings are still a strong possibility at 7. And you never know, the Bears could like him at #4.

I think it will be tough for us. If we're looking at a WR, we're probably talking Williamson.

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You mean Sean Taylor was hand timed down in Miami and he got a great speed? Imagine that. The kid's fast, but you know that hand timing is quite biased, Skins. The same way Coles ran a 4.16 at Florida State.

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Did anyone see the bench pressing.......made me tired just to watch.........

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[QUOTE=Daseal]You mean Sean Taylor was hand timed down in Miami and he got a great speed? Imagine that. The kid's fast, but you know that hand timing is quite biased, Skins. The same way Coles ran a 4.16 at Florida State.[/QUOTE]

Coles ran a 4.16, no way. The fastest ever was today and that was a 4.26

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CRT: It's called home timing someone on home turf. They said Coles ran a 4.16 coming out of Florida state. Feel free to look it up. I was proving a point that hand timed 40s are as good as useless. So are most 40 times to be honest.

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williams is worth trading up for... i'm sorry, but we are not going to have any clear cut number one receivers next year, so we may as well do whatever is necessary to start from square one at the position- and that's get the best prospect available at WR. don't let the gm's scare you off with his being away from football for a year. this guy stayed in shape and he got bigger.

david greene, the georgia qb, mentioned BMW as being the best wideout by far at the combine... something along the lines of "he's making catches you're not suppose to make."

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Ivne - I know you're a USC homer like SKINSnCANES is for his team. You also have to realize that BMW won't be able to totally abuse DBs like he did in college, they have players that can match up against him better. He also has a little problem with pushing off, which I see getting called a lot. That being said, he has amazing hands and good body control. He's not going to stretch the field, but I think he's our best option at WR.