Breaking it Down - Skins @ Giants
 

So here are the numbers from espn.com

[quote]Team Averages & NFL Ranks
TEAM OFFENSE
Total Yards
WSH 394
NYG 415

Yards Passing
WSH 228
NYG 290

Yards Rushing
WSH 166
NYG 125

TEAM DEFENSE

Yards Allowed
WSH 417
NYG 363

Pass Yds Allowed
WSH 328
NYG 257

Rush Yds Allowed
WSH 89
NYG 106[/quote]

Giants are favored by 6.
It's Griffin's 1st NFC East division game.
Both teams have scored 178 points, and the Giants have given up only 114 to our 173.
Eli has 11 TD's to 5 ints, Griffin has thrown for 5 TDs and run for 6 TDs, and has 2 Ints and 1 lost fumble (5 fumbles 4 others recovered).

Thoughts?

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We may be able to stand up to the Gints against the run. But we really need a way to slow down Eli/Cruz/etc. I don't know how that will happen.

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[IMG]http://howigit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/eli.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;953411]So here are the numbers from espn.com



Giants are favored by 6.
It's Griffin's 1st NFC East division game.
Both teams have scored 178 points, and the Giants have given up only 114 to our 173.
Eli has 11 TD's to 5 ints, Griffin has thrown for 5 TDs and run for 6 TDs, and has 2 Ints and 3 lost fumbles.

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Griffin has 3 lost fumbles?

I'm excited for this game, last year they overlooked us and we swept them, this years game is different obviously and it's for first place. I just Dont know how we'll slow that passing attack down???
I think we will have to control the clock but also look for the big plays still. Hopefully PG can play.

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Looks like the Giants are weak against the run.

This should be fun.

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Giants pass defense has been very decent this year, but their rush defense numbers are deceiving. They give up a high ypc compare to their overall ypg...teams are throwing more to keep up with there offense. Like us right?...nope, not close. Our ypc avg vs our ypg is more inline with whats expected of a good rush defense. Our YPC is under 4 yards which is great. So, Im like a broken record every week, run the ball. It can be demoralizing for a defense to get run over in front of a home crowd.

I think the Giants secondary can be vulnurable to the big play, so we should be able to take more deep shots.

I think from a defense perspective, we have to survive. Its not gonna be an easy game to defend. I think the most important thing we need to do is be super aggressive with Eli and the pass rush. He is the definition of rhythm quarterback. We need to not let him sit back there and throw. The Giants coaching is outstanding, I expect the Giants O gameplan to be great.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;953411]So here are the numbers from espn.com



Giants are favored by 6.
It's Griffin's 1st NFC East division game.
Both teams have scored 178 points, and the Giants have given up only 114 to our 173.
Eli has 11 TD's to 5 ints, Griffin has thrown for 5 TDs and run for 6 TDs, and has 2 Ints and 3 lost fumbles.

Thoughts?[/quote]


Only fumble I remember him losing was the Bengals triple option play.

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Nothing like a nooner at the Meadowlands!!! If Defense and special teams play solid Skins win!!!

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I just watched the 2nd WasRedskins-NYGiants game last night from a year ago. In that meeting the Redskins defense was able to swallow up Eli Manning and limit Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks in the passing game. The Giants didn't score a touchdown until the last minute of the game.

Kyle Shanahan called a great offensive game. Except for the 2 INTs by Rex Grossman, the Redskins offense was very efficient. Grossman also threw a TD to Santana Moss in the end zone for a TD.

With Rg3 and a few extra new additions, the Redskins offense is improved. The NYG defense will have to respect the running of RG3 and Alfred Morris. With that said, look for a lot of play action in this game. Expect RG3 to get Fred Davis and Josh Morgan involved in the passing game.

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The Giants tend to score a lot of points in the 4th quarter, we tend to give up a lot of points in the 4th. If we build a lead, we need to control the clock on offense and keep Eli and Co. on the sidelines.

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I took the fumble numbers from Espn stat lines,

[QUOTE]
[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/14875/robert-griffin-iii"]Robert Griffin III[/URL] {edited}
Passing Stats
SEASON FUM
2012 2
Rushing Stats
SEASON FUM LST
2012 3 1[/QUOTE]

maybe I mis-read the stats. It did seem odd, but I remember RgIII and Morris having some collision issues early on.

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If this game doesn't come down to the last 4 minutes I will be shocked.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;953443]I took the fumble numbers from Espn stat lines,



maybe I mis-read the stats. It did seem odd, but I remember RgIII and Morris having some collision issues early on.[/quote]

Yeah he has 3 fumbles, but only lost one of them.

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[quote=Ruhskins;953442]The Giants tend to score a lot of points in the 4th quarter, we tend to give up a lot of points in the 4th. If we build a lead, we need to control the clock on offense and keep Eli and Co. on the sidelines.[/quote]

Good point.

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from what i have seen of NYG they ARE vulnerable to the deep ball... i think we should run a shot gun pump fake bubble screen hand off the first play... see where that goes.. 2nd play should be a gun play action quick slant... see how that goes.. i'll assume a 3rd and one .... i'd call a boot leg with a leaking fred davis and back side option of morris, morgan on a quick 5 yd in and santana burning down the seam... hope he gets open if not pick up the first either with RG3 legs or one of his 3 options... try and get it right and score on the first drive!

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I think we fared well against the Gmen last year because they overlooked us both games and because our defense has typically performed best against less mobile QBs.

Gmen WILL NOT overlook us this game, and I expect Eli to be dead on. Our defense needs to play its best game of the season (so far) to win. We need to pressure Eli consistently, and I hope Haslett plays Lorenzo even more this game to help with pressure. The secondary needs to challenge NY WRs on every play. Beat em up, wear em down. So what if we blow a play here and there, we're going to anyway, right?

Offensively, I'd like to see Mike and Kyle bring a more traditional offense than we've seen so far. While I am amazed by Robert's speed the more he carries the ball the higher risk of injury. We have the most accurate passer in the league!! Put a scheme together that allows him to get rid of the ball quickly and minimize hits.

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^ agreed... and expect to see alot of draws and sceens to slow down the pass rush

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;953428]Only fumble I remember him losing was the Bengals triple option play.[/QUOTE]

No maybe it's right because he fumbled at the goal line when PG recovered it.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;953482]No maybe it's right because he fumbled at the goal line when PG recovered it.[/quote]

But that wouldn't count as lost would it? We recovered. What's confusing is that as a runner it is listed as fumbling 3 times, but only losing one. But under passing it's listed as fumbling 2 times, and I guess he lost both? Does anyone know how many fumbles he actually lost?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;953446]Yeah he has 3 fumbles, but only lost one of them.[/quote]

And one was a TD called a fumble. He should have one more TD than he does too.

I still say he was over the goal line on that one.

[QUOTE=Monkeydad;953489]And one was a TD called a fumble. He should have one more TD than he does too.

I still say he was over the goal line on that one.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that was a TD but luckily we recovered

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At New Orleans
1st and 10 at NO 19 (Shotgun) R.Griffin FUMBLES (Aborted) at NO 24, and recovers at NO 24. R.Griffin to NO 24 for no gain (S.Shanle).

At Cincinnati
1st and 10 at WSH 39 (Shotgun) R.Griffin sacked at WAS 30 for -9 yards. FUMBLES, and recovers at WAS 29. R.Griffin to WAS 29 for no gain (M.Johnson).

2nd and 7 at WSH 23 (Shotgun) R.Griffin sacked at WAS 19 for -4 yards (C.Dunlap). FUMBLES (C.Dunlap), RECOVERED by CIN-C.Dunlap at WAS 12. C.Dunlap to WAS 12 for no gain (A.Morris).

1st and 10 at CIN 17 (Shotgun) R.Griffin FUMBLES (Aborted) at CIN 20, recovered by WAS-B.Banks at CIN 18. B.Banks pushed ob at CIN 12 for 6 yards (R.Nelson).

At Tampa Bay
3rd and 5 at TB 9 (Shotgun) R.Griffin up the middle to TB 1 for 8 yards (M.Barron). FUMBLES (M.Barron), recovered by WAS-P.Garcon at TB 0. TOUCHDOWN.

Well that's his 5 fumbles. He has only lost 1, and 3 came in the Cincinatti game. Hasn't had any the last 2 games, so hopefully it's a learning curve thing. But I am sure NY is going to be going for that swat the ball motion, to see if he holds on.

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[quote=Monkeydad;953489]And one was a TD called a fumble. He should have one more TD than he does too.

I still say he was over the goal line on that one.[/quote]

Your correct and this video shows he was over the line.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl9NlYOXmJU]Redskins at Buccaneers September 30, 2012: RGIII runs, fumbles to Garcon for a Redskins TD!! - YouTube[/ame]

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[quote=firstdown;953519]Your correct and this video shows he was over the line.

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl9NlYOXmJU"]Redskins at Buccaneers September 30, 2012: RGIII runs, fumbles to Garcon for a Redskins TD!! - YouTube[/URL][/quote]

Over the line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;953411]So here are the numbers from espn.com



Giants are favored by 6.
It's Griffin's 1st NFC East division game.
Both teams have scored 178 points, and the Giants have given up only 114 to our 173.
Eli has 11 TD's to 5 ints, Griffin has thrown for 5 TDs and run for 6 TDs, and has 2 Ints and 1 lost fumble (5 fumbles 4 others recovered).

Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

Thoughts are that you can throw all those numbers rite out the window at 1:00 on sunday.



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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;953444]If this game doesn't come down to the last 4 minutes I will be shocked.[/QUOTE]

Why? That never happens with the skins?


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IMO it will be a rough & tough game.

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[URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/jpp-rgiii-don-bring-side-article-1.1185939"]JPP told the NY press that RG3 better not run his way![/URL]

Why make a statement like this? It could motivate RG3 and if RG3 does rip off a nice run in his direction he'll look stupid. It's a lose lose statement in my book. Keep your mouth shut.

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[quote=SKINS73;953599][URL="http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/jpp-rgiii-don-bring-side-article-1.1185939"]JPP told the NY press that RG3 better not run his way![/URL]

Why make a statement like this? It could motivate RG3 and if RG3 does rip off a nice run in his direction he'll look stupid. It's a lose lose statement in my book. Keep your mouth shut.[/quote]

Griffin's a competitor and has the skills to back anything up. Jason Peter-Paul-Mary is getting embarrassed by this one on Sunday.

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It's going to be a very long day for Tyler Polumbus. They had better make sure to get him some help.

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run lots of draws.... and quick 3 step drops and quick slants out of the gun!

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The Redskins and NYG match up well. As long as the Redskins defense don't have a 4th quarter meltdown, the Redskins should come away with a win.

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good view :[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/film-room/2012/film-room-steelers-bengals]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | Film Room: Steelers-Bengals[/url]

[QUOTE]Quick Reels
REDSKINS-GIANTS

Redskins offense vs. Giants defense

Pro football’s latest craze is the pistol formation, and no team runs it better than Washington. The condensed formation drives a lot of the read-options and play-action designs that make up the new Shanahan offense. Robert Griffin has the perfect skill set for the pistol. Not only does he have the legs to make defenses respect (even fear) the read option, but he has a quick, compact throwing motion, which enables him to exaggerate play-action fakes prior to his windup.

The Redskins killed Minnesota with a variety of quick slants and rolling pockets out of pistol action. When eyeing Griffin, the New York linebackers will have to be disciplined enough to stay home and trust that their defensive line can disrupt Washington’s zone-blocking. If they try to get aggressive against RG3, they’ll get burned.

Giants offense vs. Redskins defense

A dominant second half performance in San Francisco has us all believing in New York’s run game again. That run game faces another stern test this week. Washington’s defensive line is somewhat mundane, but has enough size to make it hard for guards Kevin Boothe and Chris Snee to do what they've done well this season: get to the second level. When he’s free from blockers (which is often), London Fletcher remains as good a run-stopper as anyone in the NFL. Fletcher made excellent halftime adjustments to help keep Adrian Peterson in check last week. Also worth mentioning is Jim Haslett’s willingness to infuse his run fronts with more speed by dropping a safety down near the line of scrimmage. Reed Doughty has been particularly stellar in this capacity. Eight-man boxes can be risky against Eli Manning and New York’s receivers, but Haslett loves taking risks.[/QUOTE]

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The Cowboys killed the Giants with slants.

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The NY Midgets are ranked 19th in total defense. The Redskins are ranked 5th in total offense. Redskins fans needn't worry.

[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;953748]The NY Midgets are ranked 19th in total defense. The Redskins are ranked 5th in total offense. Redskins fans needn't worry.[/QUOTE]

I'm not worried about our offense. I'm worried that Eli may put 450-500 passing yards up on our D.

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[quote=Gtothearry;953760]I'm not worried about our offense. I'm worried that Eli may put 450-500 passing yards up on our D.[/quote]

Exactly. It would feel like Eli had all day last season (with Orakpo and Carriker) to throw on our secondary, imagine with just Rob Jackson and Kerrigan, and new safeties now...

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[quote=Gtothearry;953760]I'm not worried about our offense. I'm worried that Eli may put 450-500 passing yards up on our D.[/quote]

I wouldn't worry about that happening. Kerrigan and Fletcher gan get to Eli Manning. Although Manning has been sacked only 5 times all season let's not forget that we sacked Manning 4 times in the first game last season and three times in the second game. In the past the Giants have been concerned about Stephen Bowen #72. Bowen can get to the quarterback. Coach Haz knows how to dial up the blitz combination so well that Manning wouldn't know where the pressure is coming from. Is it coming from the middle? From Kerrigan's side or is it coming from Rob Jackson's side?

The Redskins will get at least 3 sacks on Manning. I expect Madieu Williams and the Redskins secondary to intercept Manning at least twice.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;953768]I wouldn't worry about that happening. Kerrigan and [B]Fletcher gan get to Eli Manning[/B]. Although Manning has been sacked only 5 times all season let's not forget that we sacked Manning 4 times in the first game last season and three times in the second game. In the past the Giants have been concerned about Stephen Bowen #72. Bowen can get to the quarterback. Coach Haz knows how to dial up the blitz combination so well that Manning wouldn't know where the pressure is coming from. Is it coming from the middle? From Kerrigan's side or is it coming from Rob Jackson's side?

The Redskins will get at least 3 sacks on Manning. I expect Madieu Williams and the Redskins secondary to intercept Manning at least twice.[/quote]fletcher the sack master, averaging about 3/year over the course of his illustrious career.

he did have one last week, though

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Perry Riley has improved already this season, and I swear he seems to improve even within games. If he can be a dominant run-stopper alongside London for the rest of the season, while Kerrigan/Lorenzo/Jackson/Wilson put pressure on the QB our defense could improve overall.

However, Haslett has to improve his scheme and adjustments or it makes no difference how well our guys do. I'm very frustrated with the defense. Strongly believe we have the talent, albeit in a 4-3 front, to be a dominant defense, but our coaching has been pretty abysmal. If Haslett can't optimize his scheme and adjustments to improve the defense dramatically over the rest of the season I think he needs to go.