Where does RGIII rank?
 

Like so many others, I'm astounded by what RGIII has been able to accomplish as a rookie QB. I'm wondering how you would rank him against other current NFL QB's.

Honestly, I don't even know how to go about ranking him due to his extraordinary skill set. How does his success at running the ball factor in to his ranking? He throws the ball less, for fewer YPG, than most NFL passers but he is a serious running threat as well as a passing threat.

1. How does he rank among current NFL QB's right now.
2. Where would you expect him to rank next season? Do you think he may suffer through a dreaded "Sophomore Slump"?
3. Do you think he will lead us to a Super Bowl win during his career?

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1. Id say 6-8 right now
2. Id say slightly better, maybe 5. Sophomore slump? Nope too mentally strong for that sh*t.
3. Yes, but we need to get the defense fixed. The thing that will be key will be consistency in the same/similar systems, too much change and impatience, he will be lucky to see one championship.

Right now hes a top 10 QB in the NFL.

I'd say as for playmaking skills he's the top guy right now, he can do it all and the only other guy would be Aaron Rodgers. Maybe romo

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;967589]Like so many others, I'm astounded by what RGIII has been able to accomplish as a rookie QB. I'm wondering how you would rank him against other current NFL QB's.

Honestly, I don't even know how to go about ranking him due to his extraordinary skill set. How does his success at running the ball factor in to his ranking? He throws the ball less, for fewer YPG, than most NFL passers but he is a serious running threat as well as a passing threat.

1. How does he rank among current NFL QB's right now.
2. Where would you expect him to rank next season? Do you think he may suffer through a dreaded "Sophomore Slump"?
3. Do you think he will lead us to a Super Bowl win during his career?[/quote]

I'd say that Robert Griffin III is far ahead of where Peyton Manning, Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Rothlesburger, Drew Brees, and Aaron Rodgers were each in their rookie seasons.

As far as current QBs, RG3 has NFL rookie of the year award on lock down and if the Redskins push to the post season, he's definitely in discussion for NFL MVP. The only NFL QBs that are slightly ahead of him are Matt Ryan, Matt Schaub, and maybe Aaron Rodgers. But RG3 can certainly overtake them before the season is over.

Next season RG3 should perform even better than he did this year if that's possible. A lot people lose sight of the fact that he'd be a senior had he stayed in college and next year he'd be a rookie. But next year his numbers are going to rise simply because each of his receivers will have grown greater in the offense. In 2013 we should see a lot more production if that's even possible.

I do see RG3 leading the Redskins to a Super Bowl title. And not just one, but maybe three or four. Keep in mind that Bruce Allen and Mike Shanahan are far from building this team and making it complete.

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1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Peyton Manning
3) Tom Brady
4) Drew Brees
5) Matt Ryan
6) Eli Manning
7) Ben Roethlisberger
8) Robert Griffin III
9) Tony Romo
10) Andrew Luck

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[quote=Schneed10;967594]1) Aaron Rodgers
2) Peyton Manning
3) Tom Brady
4) Drew Brees
5) Matt Ryan
6) Eli Manning
7) Ben Roethlisberger
8) Robert Griffin III
9) Tony Romo
10) Andrew Luck[/quote]

You got Eli Manning ranked before Big Ben? Manning is NOT a consistent QB. His heroics in SBs 42 &46 overshadows his inconsistency a great deal. The guy only has a 82.6 career QB rating.

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The way schaub has been playing the past couple games, he might be near the top 10 as well. But I do think that RG3 is higher than rothlisberger and ryan. You give griffin roddy white, julio jones and tony gonzales, then you would have the best offense in the league, bar none. Matt Ryan, while good, is nowhere near as good as our guy, sorry.

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I'd say:
1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. P. Manning
5. E. Manning
6. Roethlisberger
7. RGIII
8. Schaub
9. Ryan
10. Stafford
11. Romo
12. Luck
13. Freeman
14. Flacco
15. Rivers

He's probably not 'slump proof' but teams we face next year will have a whole season of tape on him as well as a potential rule change (eliminating chop blocks) that may impact his effectiveness. He probably will be a more 'traditional' QB next year, more dropbacks and less read-option than this season.

As for winning a SB, there are too many factors to definitively say yes or no but within 3 years we will be a SB contender and will remain so for a while.

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The running plays a major factor. I put him somewhere around 12-14 range, which is pretty damn good for a rookie. Is he better than guys like Freeman, Dalton, Flacco,Stafford? I think it's too early to tell.

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[quote=Paintrain;967600]I'd say:
1. Brady
2. Rodgers
3. Brees
4. P. Manning
5. E. Manning
6. Roethlisberger
7. RGIII
8. Schaub
9. Ryan
10. Stafford
11. Romo
12. Luck
13. Freeman
14. Flacco
15. Rivers

He's probably not 'slump proof' but teams we face next year will have a whole season of tape on him as well as a potential rule change (eliminating chop blocks) that may impact his effectiveness. He probably will be a more 'traditional' QB next year, more dropbacks and less read-option than this season.

As for winning a SB, there are too many factors to definitively say yes or no but within 3 years we will be a SB contender and will remain so for a while.[/quote]

So you think he is better than Flacco and Ryan? Wow.

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I think a more relevant discussion is where does RG3 rank among all time rookie QB's of the modern era.

1. RG3 (at current pace) - 2012
2. Dan Marino - 1983
3. Ben Roethlisberger - 2004
4. Cam Newton - 2011
5. Matt Ryan - 2008

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he's #5 in QBR per ESPN, above rodgers...

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[quote=skinsfan69;967607]So you think he is better than Flacco and Ryan? Wow.[/quote]

Flacco and Ryan are inconsistent to me. Put Ryan on a bad team and I don't think he elevates the talent around him. Same with Flacco.

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[quote=Paintrain;967622]Flacco and Ryan are inconsistent to me. Put Ryan on a bad team and I don't think he elevates the talent around him. Same with Flacco.[/quote]

Yeah. No way Flacco or Ryan could carry an offense like Griffin carries the Skins.

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Before the GB game ESPN stats had the top 5 with respect to qb passer rating as:

1. Aaron Rodgers, GB 107.3
2. Peyton Manning, DEN 106.2
3. Tom Brady, NE 105.0
4. Robert Griffin III, WSH 104.6
5. Alex Smith, SF 104.1

He also has 642 yds rushing (# 17 on the rushing list, 16 is Trent Richardson, 18 is Matt Forte)

Also, insofar as interception to td ratio among the 5 rookie qb's:
Griffin 16 TD 4 Int
Wilson 15 TD 8 Int
Tannehill 6 TD 11 Int
Luck 12 TD 12 Int
Weeden 11 TD 12 Int

In fact the only number that I could really find him lacking a top 10 ranking is in total yards. 228/game ranked 20th.

Overall, if he even stays steady, we should see at least 1 SB win, and hopefully multiple trips.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;967717]Before the GB game ESPN stats had the top 5 with respect to qb passer rating as:

1. Aaron Rodgers, GB 107.3
2. Peyton Manning, DEN 106.2
3. Tom Brady, NE 105.0
4. Robert Griffin III, WSH 104.6
5. Alex Smith, SF 104.1

He also has 642 yds rushing (# 17 on the rushing list, 16 is Trent Richardson, 18 is Matt Forte)

Also, insofar as interception to td ratio among the 5 rookie qb's:
Griffin 16 TD 4 Int
Wilson 15 TD 8 Int
Tannehill 6 TD 11 Int
Luck 12 TD 12 Int
Weeden 11 TD 12 Int

In fact the only number that I could really find him lacking a top 10 ranking is in total yards. 228/game ranked 20th.

Overall, if he even stays steady, we should see at least 1 SB win, and hopefully multiple trips.[/quote]



Great stuff there CRR!

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[quote=backrow;967722]Great stuff there CRR![/quote]
:food-smil

And you know, all those numbers don't even cover the intangibles that he seems to have in Spades:
Football Intelligence
Leadership ability
Ability to be taught
Plays big in big games.

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Right now RG3 is top 5

Next year he ll be top 3
Every QB suffers a sophomore slump; his will be two games max of a slump

Yes he will lead us to a Super Bowl

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;967725]:food-smil

And you know, all those numbers don't even cover the intangibles that he seems to have in Spades:
Football Intelligence
Leadership ability
Ability to be taught
Plays big in big games.[/quote]

And let's not forget class and humility.

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Hard to believe he's doing all this at the ripe old age of 22.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;967596]You got Eli Manning ranked before Big Ben? Manning is NOT a consistent QB. His heroics in SBs 42 &46 overshadows his inconsistency a great deal. The guy only has a 82.6 career QB rating.[/quote]

Who gives a F*&K about a QB ranking if they are clutch when it counts and Eli is clutch.

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[quote=firstdown;967810]Who gives a F*&K about a QB ranking if they are clutch when it counts and Eli is clutch.[/quote]

Eli Manning is clutch indeed, but he's also inconsistent. QB rating in today's pass happy NFL is a measuring stick for how efficient and how good a QB is. Completion percentage, TD to INT ratio, accuracy is an indication of how truly skillful a QB is in today's NFL. When I see Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Rothlesburger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, RG3, and others attain high QBR I view that as being them being a skillful quarterback.

The disposition of "who gives a F*%k" only proves my point.

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[quote=skinsfan69;967606]the running plays a major factor. I put him somewhere around 12-14 range, which is pretty damn good for a rookie. Is he better than guys like [b]freeman[/b], dalton, flacco,stafford? I think it's too early to tell.[/quote]

lol.

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[quote=skinsfan69;967606]The running plays a major factor. I put him somewhere around 12-14 range, which is pretty damn good for a rookie. Is he better than guys like Freeman, Dalton, Flacco,Stafford? I think it's too early to tell.[/quote]

Flacco, Freeman, E. Manning, P. Manning, Rodgers, Stafford, Bradford, Rivers, Dalton, Brady, Schaub, Cutler, and many other QBs around the NFL has never done what RG3 has done this season. As a rookie, RG3 outshines them all. How many of those QBs ever had thrown for 2500 yards, 16 TDs, only 4 INTs, and a 104.6 Qb rating through their first 11 games as a pro? None of them!!!

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;967816]Eli Manning is clutch indeed, but he's also inconsistent. QB rating in today's pass happy NFL is a measuring stick for how efficient and how good a QB is. Completion percentage, TD to INT ratio, accuracy is an indication of how truly skillful a QB is in today's NFL. When I see Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Rothlesburger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, RG3, and others attain high QBR I view that as being them being a skillful quarterback.

The disposition of "who gives a F*%k" only proves my point.[/quote]

I think the two rings he's got and the way he's played down the stretches of those seasons on to the SB says how good he is.... not his QBR...

and everybody on your list there? ... besides rivers..? .... ring(s)

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[quote=Meks;967830]I think the two rings he's got and the way he's played down the stretches of those seasons on to the SB says how good he is.... not his QBR...

and everybody on your list there? ... besides rivers..? .... ring(s)[/quote]

I'm not saying Manning is not good. I'm saying that he's inconsistent and a QB who is inconsistent is not elite. Period. When I view quarterbacking, I pay attention to skill. The level of skill is what defines an elite QB. Championships are what a team attains, not just the QB.

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I'm not surprised that RG3 is doing as well as he's doing. Before the draft he was the player I wanted. I thought that he was the best player in the 2012 draft. I believed that he be very good right away and shock a lot of people.

The question is where do I rank him? This is a very complex question because there are a lot of things to consider. As a qb I rank him in the top ten. As a player I rank him in the top five. Passing the ball RG3 doesn't have as many yards as the top ten qbs mainly because he doesn't pass the ball nearly as much. However, he's very, very effective when he does. He's one of the most efficient passers in the NFL (4th rated). He's the most dangerous runner in the NFL. Combine with his elite passing ability he has world class speed to match. This makes him in my opinion one of the best players in the NFL right now.

I do not see a sophomore slump in his future. Next year he'll really know this offense and NFL defenses. I want everyone to bookmark this statement. [B]Next season RG3 will be the best qb/player in the NFL.
[/B] There is no doubt in my mind that this guy is forreal. Every year we will see him get better and better.

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[quote=tryst1540;968658]I'm not surprised that RG3 is doing as well as he's doing...[/quote]

Welcome.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;967733]And let's not forget class and humility.[/quote]

This kid knows what to say, and how to say it:
[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8685985/robert-griffin-iii-vote-washington-redskins-teammate-alfred-morris-top-rookie]Robert Griffin III would vote Washington Redskins teammate Alfred Morris as top rookie - ESPN[/url]
[quote]"My vote would go to Alfred Morris, because I wouldn't vote for myself. I think that's extremely conceited and I'm not that person, so I'd vote for Alfred Morris," Griffin told the NFL Network. "He's my running back, he's had a very quiet but very great season for a running back, and I'm proud to have him on this team."

...

"Going into college, I was compared to Terrelle Pryor a lot, and now coming into the pros, it's going to be me and Andrew Luck. And like I tell everybody, I don't ever root against quarterbacks, and I want him to have a great career as well. If they are going to continue to compare us, hopefully we are the best comparison of all time," he said in the "NFL AM" interview.[/quote]

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;967816]Eli Manning is clutch indeed, but he's also inconsistent. QB rating in today's pass happy NFL is a measuring stick for how efficient and how good a QB is. Completion percentage, TD to INT ratio, accuracy is an indication of how truly skillful a QB is in today's NFL. When I see Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Ben Rothlesburger, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, RG3, and others attain high QBR I view that as being them being a skillful quarterback.

The disposition of "who gives a F*%k" only proves my point.[/quote]

Well his brother has better number and most will agree he is a beter QB.Though ELi has proven that he can win the big game against the same team that has knocked his big brother out of the dance so many times. I'll take the SB number over all the other stats every time.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;967829]Flacco, Freeman, E. Manning, P. Manning, Rodgers, Stafford, Bradford, Rivers, Dalton, Brady, Schaub, Cutler, and many other QBs around the NFL has never done what RG3 has done this season. As a rookie, RG3 outshines them all. How many of those QBs ever had thrown for 2500 yards, 16 TDs, only 4 INTs, and a 104.6 Qb rating through their first 11 games as a pro? None of them!!![/quote]

W/out question he takes care of the ball. But I'd say our offense is a bit different from Green Bay's, Detroit, New England and even Indy. Those teams are pass first offenses where we're play action first offense. I don't think RG3 would have the stats he does if he played in a pass first offense. He'd probably have a few more picks, a lower completion % but more yards. That's not taking anything away from RG3, it's just that those teams play a higher risk type of offense. I think Luck leads the league in pass attempts. What I like most about RG3 is he does things that don't show up in the stat sheet and he can impact the game in more ways than one.

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Good ROY article:
[url=http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/43578/who-is-the-offensive-rookie-of-the-year]Who Is the Offensive Rookie of the Year? - The Triangle Blog - Grantland[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;968905]Good ROY article:
[url=http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/43578/who-is-the-offensive-rookie-of-the-year]Who Is the Offensive Rookie of the Year? - The Triangle Blog - Grantland[/url][/quote]

I have to agree with him. Good article.

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[quote=53Fan;968907]I have to agree with him. Good article.[/quote]

The only thing I thought he had wrong, is his #2 point for Luck. He said Indy's defense " is truly bad", which it may be, but ours has been worse for much of the season, and yet Griffin has had us in position to win at least 2 other games (NYG and Rams). Seemed a weak argument to me.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;968911]The only thing I thought he had wrong, is his #2 point for Luck. He said Indy's defense " is truly bad", which it may be, but ours has been worse for much of the season, and yet Griffin has had us in position to win at least 2 other games (NYG and Rams). Seemed a weak argument to me.[/quote]

They are truly bad but I thought the same way as you when he didn't mention our defense. I mean, what are we, chopped liver? YES!!! How can you talk about a bad defense and not mention ours? I think he came to the right conclusion though.

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Great thread. Griffin is number one in my book but, unbiasedly I'd say...

1 Brady
2 Peyton
3 Brees
3 Rodgers
5 RG3

Taking in consideration each QB's OL, WRs/TEs talent, QB rating and clutch ability. If all things were equal, this is how I see it.

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[quote=skinsfan69;968903]W/out question he takes care of the ball. But I'd say our offense is a bit different from Green Bay's, Detroit, New England and even Indy. Those teams are pass first offenses where we're play action first offense. I don't think RG3 would have the stats he does if he played in a pass first offense. He'd probably have a few more picks, a lower completion % but more yards. That's not taking anything away from RG3, it's just that those teams play a higher risk type of offense. I think Luck leads the league in pass attempts. What I like most about RG3 is he does things that don't show up in the stat sheet and he can impact the game in more ways than one.[/quote]

Most of the teams you mentioned have starting quarterbacks who very accurate with the football. Rg3 came from a high percentage bubble screen type offense at Baylor and he has played admirably. When you look at Griffin III play the first thing yo notice is that he makes all his throws count. He doesn't waste passes and this is the reason why he's able to take care of the ball. You'll never see him have 16 TDs and 20 INTs like Rex Grossman.

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My friend asked me this question the other day "5 years from now who will be the top 3 QBs in the NFL?"

I said

1) RG3
2) Luck
3) Matt Ryan

Who would your 3 be (keep in mind some of the QBs in college could be counted)

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I love him with every fiber of my being so I couldn't possibly objectively rank him, nor would I want to. Number one in my friggin' heart, that's for sure. Could not be more proud of that guy.

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RG3 is certainly the best quarterback in the NFC. Romo and Vick didn't play well this year and Eli Manning is inconsistent. RG3 towers above them all.