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So Seattle, Tampa, and the Vikings all lost today making them one game up on us. If the Saints lose to the 49ers today they will in the same group of teams tied. We beat Tampa, the Saints, and the Vikings. We will only be one game out of the wild card and hold several tie breakers. I want to win the division as much as anyone. What do you think it takes to win the wild card...8 games or 9?

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minimum 9

All those loses also help the Cowboys out too.

Need the saints to lose also. They are our biggest threat IMO

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I look at the cowboys they have to win out which includes beating us in the last game of the season. We control their destiny...

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We can afford to lose one more game this season if we want to make the playoffs. 9 probably gets in and we've got head to head tiebreakers vs. everyone but Seattle among the likely contenders for the 6 spot. I think we beat the Giants but fall to the Ravens leaving the final 3 games to determine our fate.

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I agree paintrain...

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Sooo......WE'RE IN!!!!

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If we play the way we have the past two weeks I think we have a good shot to get in. We still need the defense to play alittle more consistently, but I do think that is going to happen this year. The Rams and Panther losses earlier in the year really hurt right now...

Vikings play GB twice, Chi and Houston. So I'd say they won't be a threat.

Bucs have falcons, saints and broncos. Those are all probably 3 losses.

Seattle has an easy schedule ahead. Playing 3 division games and SF at home. They also play Chi.

Saints have giants, falcons, boys and bucs left.

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The Skins have to win out. As the day began they ranked 10 th in the NFC playoff seeding.

With teams 6,7,8 all at 6-4 and the Saints at 5-5. So we were two games back from all of them holding the head to head matchups with all but SEA.

Things have changed a little with TB, Minny, and Sea all losing. But I still think they need to do the improbable to have a chance and run the table. They may be able to back in losing one of the games against the two AFC opponents we have left, but that's not the way we need to get in.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;967632]The Skins have to win out. As the day began they ranked 10 th in the NFC playoff seeding.

With teams 6,7,8 all at 6-4 and the Saints at 5-5. So we were two games back from all of them holding the head to head matchups with all but SEA.

Things have changed a little with TB, Minny, and Sea all losing. But I still think they need to do the improbable to have a chance and run the table. They may be able to back in losing one of the games against the two AFC opponents we have left, but that's not the way we need to get in.[/quote]

I'm not sure a 5-6 team worries a lot about style points to get in the playoffs. We can likely afford to lose one, but it certainly can't be against an NFC East team. And it would help a lot if the Pack gets the job done tonight, obviously.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/machine]2012 NFL Playoff Machine - Simulate Matchups and Scenarios - ESPN[/url]

Always a fun tool. You can create a scenario where we get in at 8-8 (win division NYG goes free falling)

BUT there are a lot of scenarios where we get in as wildcard or division winner. Ultimately, we have to go 4-1 over the next 5 games, if we do that, we get in, as we hold ALOT of the tiebreakers.

Hope GB comes back.

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Every game is huge for the skins, they are going to have to earn a playoff spot instead of worrying what other teams do.

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[quote=Hog1;967624]Sooo......WE'RE IN!!!![/quote]

Not sure if your serious? No way the Skins are winning out. If they beat the Giants Mon then they help themselves, a lot. At this point our guys need to concentrait on their games and hope its enough.

At the very least we can take satisfaction in giving the Rams a low draft pick.

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If we can win one of our next two games I will start to get excited. A 9 and 7 final record would be impressive after the slow start.

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[quote=Mechanix544;967615]minimum 9[/quote]

While 9 is the minimum, keep in mind that the Giants last year were only the third team to ever reach the superbowl with fewer than 10 wins. The other 2 teams were knocked out by the Steelers.

The Skins really need 10 or more wins. The comfort level would be much higher.

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[quote=pickupcash;967739]While 9 is the minimum, keep in mind that the Giants last year were only the third team to ever reach the superbowl with fewer than 10 wins. The other 2 teams were knocked out by the Steelers.

The Skins really need 10 or more wins. The comfort level would be much higher.[/quote]

Comfort level? Really? No such thing for Skins fans. Heck, a two score lead at the two minute mark gives us the willies! Comfort level? :)

Good to remember that an 8-8 year was an optimistic goal going into the season. And it still is.

Welcome to the Warpath.

If we can go 4-1 the remainder I see us playing the falcons or packers based upon what the Giants do.

The Monday night game is of extreme importance. I can see us winning 4 out of 5 or 3 out of 5.

I think we get either a win from the Ravens or Giants and then lose to a team we shouldn't. Hopefully, this doesn't happen and we can get to 4-1. With other teams remaining schedules we would have a real chance.

I've got us at 9-7, Seattle at 9-7, TB 9-7, NO 8-8, Giants 9-7/10-6, GB 10-6, Chicago 13-3.

This team is so unpredictable. I feel like we have a shot to win in every game but I can never place an automatic W either.

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[quote=redskins5044;967616]All those loses also help the Cowboys out too.[/quote]

Yes, but we'll eliminate them in the final game of the season at Fedex, if necessary.

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Between our win and NYG's win, Dallas is really out of the picture - . We aren't but definitely go 4-1 with at least one win between the NYG and Baltimore games.

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We take care of business and we'll be fine. 9 is probably going to get that last spot...win out of division games and it'll come down to cle and balt.

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To me, the formula is very simple. We'll go as far as RGIII can take us.

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The Giant's game is just getting bigger and bigger. I bet it gets a ton of hype as the week goes on. Last time we called a game a must win we layed a big fat stinker. While I have faith in RGIII doing all he can do and giving us a chance to win. Not as sure that the O-line can handle the pressure or that our DB's can handle Cruz AND Nicks. Not optimistic but, at least with RGIII, anything is possible.

Look for lots of promo of it tonight as the MNF crew tries to find ways to keep folks tuned into tonights stinker. Go Panthers. I would love to dance on Philly's grave but, the last time I tried to do that, they had a resurgence and ruined my celebration.

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Personally, I don't think the Skins should even be thinking playoffs. As someone else said, I want to believe but I just have no faith that this team can go on the 5-0 or 4-1 run needed to even think about it. Too many holes, too many mental lapses.

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From Peter King and the playoff race this morning:

Now for the NFC. It's bizarro world. Here's how I handicap the six-team race:

1. Washington (5-6). The 'Skins and Bucs are playing the best among the contenders, and if Washington can win one of the next two (Giants Monday, Ravens to follow), the last three weeks (at Cleveland, at Philly, Dallas) are manageable. How great would it be to see Robert Griffin III in a Wild Card game at Soldier Field, getting chased through the snow by Urlacher and Briggs?

2. Tampa Bay (6-5). Watching the Bucs the last month, I keep thinking no one wants to play them. Greg Schiano's instilled a toughness in them, and offensive coordinator Mike Sullivan has obviously worked wonders with a rejuvenated Josh Freeman. The problem's the schedule. Bucs are at Denver, at New Orleans and at Atlanta in December. The only hope with that tough slate is maybe the Falcons have nothing to play for in Week 17, and Julio Jones and Matt Ryan sit.

3. Seattle (6-5). Seahawks have the tiebreaker right now, but that can disappear if Richard Sherman does. (See below.) Russell Wilson has been efficient in his rookie season. Now he'll need to be explosive, even more than in his last four weeks (nine touchdowns, one pick) to make up for what may be a yawning gap in the secondary.

4. New Orleans (5-6). The loss to San Francisco was logical, as well as disappointing. New Orleans now has to go 4-1, minimum, against a murderer's row slate (at Atlanta Thursday, at the Giants, Tampa Bay, at Dallas, Carolina) in the next month. All things are possible with Drew Brees, of course, but maybe not with a defense that just doesn't pressure the quarterback enough.

5. Minnesota (6-5). Can Adrian Peterson play quarterback? Green Bay twice, Houston on the road, and Chicago in the last month. I just don't see it.

6. Dallas (5-6). Schedule doesn't matter to me. The Cowboys haven't played well since September. Why start now?

So here's how I see the Wild Card round on the first weekend of January:

NFC (Byes: Atlanta and San Francisco): Green Bay at the Giants (Saturday night, NBC), Washington at Chicago (early Sunday, FOX).



Read More: [url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/11/26/Week-12/index.html#ixzz2DLE6Vz7t]Richard Sherman's suspension; Colin Kaepernick; playoff chase; more Week 12 thoughts - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

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[quote=JoeRedskin;967778]Personally, I don't think the Skins should even be thinking playoffs. As someone else said, I want to believe but I just have no faith that this team can go on the 5-0 or 4-1 run needed to even think about it. Too many holes, too many mental lapses.[/quote]

How can you be in a sport to win something and not even think about trying to win? I just don't get this think here. Yes, its a long shot but its one that we still have. Seahawks chances just got a little tougher.

[url=http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Seattle-Seahawks-starting-DBs-Richard-Sherman-Brandon-Browner-PED-suspensions-112512]Seattle Seahawks starting DBs Richard Sherman and Brandon Browner face 4-game PED suspensions - NFL News | FOX Sports on MSN[/url]

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Well, if we go 4-1, I would rather see that one loss against the Ravens or the Browns. I just feel it hurts this team too much for it to be against an NFC opponent at this point in the season, especially it being against an NFC East opponent. I still feel the only way to ensure the 'skins getting into the playoffs is to win out, but I understand even going 4-1 the rest of the way is going to be a tough task to accomplish.

What us fans can hang our hats on right now is the fact that the Redskins seem to match up well against the Giants, the Ravens aren't really playing very good ball right now at all, the fact that the 'skins have already beaten the Eagles and the Cowboys once and can do it again, and that the Browns are definitely a beatable team as well. So, it's definitely not impossible to think the Redskins could at least go 4-1 the rest of the way, if not 5-0, but either task is going to take a flawless effort on both offense and defense.

In the end though, you can't be too disappointed if this team ends at 8-8. Sure, we want the 'skins to be 10-6 and in the playoffs. I don't want the Redskins to lose another game the rest of my life! However, to make it to 8-8 after being down 3-6 and losing several very key players is nothing to be upset about. That's a 5-2 record down the stretch without guys like Fred Davis, Brian Orakpo, Adam Carriker, and Brandon Merriweather. To me, if this team is 8-8, it tells me even losing some key players, this team improved and showed it in the win column. With those players healthy next year in addition to some new players, this team will hopefully continue to turn the corner and would be expected to make at least make the wild card round.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;967777]The Giant's game is just getting bigger and bigger. I bet it gets a ton of hype as the week goes on. Last time we called a game a must win we layed a big fat stinker. While I have faith in RGIII doing all he can do and giving us a chance to win.[B] Not as sure that the O-line can handle the pressure or that our DB's can handle Cruz AND Nicks. Not optimistic but, at least with RGIII, anything is possible.[/B]

Look for lots of promo of it tonight as the MNF crew tries to find ways to keep folks tuned into tonights stinker. Go Panthers. I would love to dance on Philly's grave but, the last time I tried to do that, they had a resurgence and ruined my celebration.[/quote]

We said that last time and should have taken the Giants down. For some reason we match up good against them.

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As much as I want this to happen I do not think this is our year. Our defense while having played better still is pretty bad, they couldn't stop the Cowgirls the other night in the second half and almost gave the game away.

I would like to see us make a run, but we are just not quite ready for a stretch run like this or playoffs IMO. Sme of that has to do with players some of it has to do with coaching we got a big lead and got ultra conservative against the cowgirls, most of the playoff teams can beat you on D or by scoring a lot of points, the only way we are gonna beat these teams is going TD for TD with them and we haven't proven we can do that on a consistent basis yet, although we have seen flashes of it.

Again I just think while all this talk is good and exciting it just isn't gonna happen, but I hope that I am wrong and will gladly eat crow if I am.

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I think a lot of it was playing prevent defense against a team that can score in 2 minutes. Leave the prevent for when you're up by 20 in the 4th quarter, not the 3rd.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;967794]I think a lot of it was playing prevent defense against a team that can score in 2 minutes. Leave the prevent for when you're up by 20 in the 4th quarter, not the 3rd.[/quote]

We tend to go soft zone out of the quite rational fear that our defense can get burned in a split second. So I guess we're ok with getting scored on quickly...just not too quickly. I think, if it were me, I'd take my chances on getting burned on a big play and play base D and count on my guys doing their damn job. Maybe we give up a big play but to me that's better than getting run up and down the field for an entire half and giving up 3 TDs. I also would get a little more aggressive on offense around the 50 yard line. A lot of times we've got 4th and short we should be going for it. Punting it down inside the 10 just to have them back at midfield in 3 plays seems...pointless. Our best defense right now is our running game and keeping their offense off the field.

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Part of the problem in pass defense is the Redskins defensive backs were playing trail technique in their coverages. Trail technique is something Raheem Morris brought with him from Tampa Bay. For instance that 77 yard bomb from Eli Manning to Victor Cruz earlier this season was a result of Madieu Williams playing trail technique. The play was suppose to go to Hakeem Nicks and Williams was actually playing Nicks to the inside. Cruz then flies up the field and runs past Madieu Williams and Josh Wilson and Eli Manning hits him in stride.

That trail technique is the reason why the Redskins are ranked 31st against the pass. In the last two games against the Eagles and Cowboys, the Redskins defensive backs didn't play trail technique as frequently.

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[quote=skinsguy;967784]Well, if we go 4-1, I would rather see that one loss against the Ravens or the Browns. I just feel it hurts this team too much for it to be against an NFC opponent at this point in the season, especially it being against an NFC East opponent. I still feel the only way to ensure the 'skins getting into the playoffs is to win out, but I understand even going 4-1 the rest of the way is going to be a tough task to accomplish.

What us fans can hang our hats on right now is the fact that the Redskins seem to match up well against the Giants, the Ravens aren't really playing very good ball right now at all, the fact that the 'skins have already beaten the Eagles and the Cowboys once and can do it again, and that the Browns are definitely a beatable team as well. So, it's definitely not impossible to think the Redskins could at least go 4-1 the rest of the way, if not 5-0, but either task is going to take a flawless effort on both offense and defense.

In the end though, you can't be too disappointed if this team ends at 8-8. Sure, we want the 'skins to be 10-6 and in the playoffs. I don't want the Redskins to lose another game the rest of my life! However, to make it to 8-8 after being down 3-6 and losing several very key players is nothing to be upset about. That's a 5-2 record down the stretch without guys like Fred Davis, Brian Orakpo, Adam Carriker, and Brandon Merriweather. To me, if this team is 8-8, it tells me even losing some key players, this team improved and showed it in the win column. With those players healthy next year in addition to some new players, this team will hopefully continue to turn the corner and would be expected to make at least make the wild card round.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more. 8-8 is a solid record considering the circumstances.

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LOL. The excited fan in us all. But take a step back and look at this realistically. We are all excited about beating Philly and Dallas, but both of those teams really do suck and were just always overrated. People are talking about playoffs when in reality, we may not even win another game and finish the season 5-11. This is how it could realistically pan out. Remaining games are:

vs NYG=Loss- They are simply a better team than us on both sides of the ball and has gelled stronger as a team since we played them in week 7.

vs Baltimore=Loss- Another good team who has had 4 game winning streaks TWICE this season

@ Cleavland=Loss-Tough game. Cleavland took Dallas into overtime in Dallas. They don't have many weapons but Trent Richardson is a beast and they are a gritty tough nosed team.

@ Philly=Loss-In Philly, tough environment. Got the upperhand on them the first time but teams adjust and watch tape for the second time you come up against them. Andy Reid may be trying to save his job so the team will come out hungry and prepared.

vs Dallas=Loss. Same statement as above, we already played them once and teams adjust for the second matchup. Jason Garrett will propably be on the hot seat as well and desperate for this win.

The Redskins have no homefield advantage playing in Fedex so that's not a pro against NYG, Bmore and Dallas. We also had and still have one of the worst if not worst passing defenses in the league as was on full display against Dallas in the second half. Josh Wilson and Deangelo Hall will not magically turn into Darrelle Revis/Champ Bailey and shut down Cruz, Nicks, Torrey Smith, Dez Bryant. Madoodoo Williams will not magically become a starting caliber NFL safety. The Redskins defense will not all of a sudden start generating pressure on the opposing QB without blitzing, Orakpo and Carriker. Jim Haslett will not transform into Dick Lebeau in the next few days. Kyle Shanahan will not turn into an offensive guru overnight and stop calling plays that make you scratch your head on 3rd and short.

No harm in hoping for miracles but let's not get ahead of ourselves or too dissapointed if the above happens.

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I didn't expect the Packers to roll over and die against the NYG last night. I expected more fire and competition from Green Bay. Regardless of what the Giants did last night, they still have a hard road to travel. They have to face the Redskins, Ravens, and Falcons on the road before the season is over. I don't have them winning any of those games. The Redskins can still win the NFC Eastern division.

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There's realism...and then there's pessimism

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[quote=milellie111;967846]LOL. The excited fan in us all. But take a step back and look at this realistically. We are all excited about beating Philly and Dallas, but both of those teams really do suck and were just always overrated. People are talking about playoffs when in reality, we may not even win another game and finish the season 5-11. This is how it could realistically pan out. Remaining games are:

vs NYG=Loss- They are simply a better team than us on both sides of the ball and has gelled stronger as a team since we played them in week 7.

vs Baltimore=Loss- Another good team who has had 4 game winning streaks TWICE this season

@ Cleavland=Loss-Tough game. Cleavland took Dallas into overtime in Dallas. They don't have many weapons but Trent Richardson is a beast and they are a gritty tough nosed team.

@ Philly=Loss-In Philly, tough environment. Got the upperhand on them the first time but teams adjust and watch tape for the second time you come up against them. Andy Reid may be trying to save his job so the team will come out hungry and prepared.

vs Dallas=Loss. Same statement as above, we already played them once and teams adjust for the second matchup. Jason Garrett will propably be on the hot seat as well and desperate for this win.

The Redskins have no homefield advantage playing in Fedex so that's not a pro against NYG, Bmore and Dallas. We also had and still have one of the worst if not worst passing defenses in the league as was on full display against Dallas in the second half. Josh Wilson and Deangelo Hall will not magically turn into Darrelle Revis/Champ Bailey and shut down Cruz, Nicks, Torrey Smith, Dez Bryant. Madoodoo Williams will not magically become a starting caliber NFL safety. The Redskins defense will not all of a sudden start generating pressure on the opposing QB without blitzing, Orakpo and Carriker. Jim Haslett will not transform into Dick Lebeau in the next few days. Kyle Shanahan will not turn into an offensive guru overnight and stop calling plays that make you scratch your head on 3rd and short.

No harm in hoping for miracles but let's not get ahead of ourselves or too dissapointed if the above happens.[/quote]


That big win Thursday really got you in a bad mood?

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[quote=milellie111;967846]LOL. The excited fan in us all. But take a step back and look at this realistically. We are all excited about beating Philly and Dallas, but both of those teams really do suck and were just always overrated. People are talking about playoffs when in reality, we may not even win another game and finish the season 5-11. This is how it could realistically pan out. Remaining games are:

vs NYG=Loss- They are simply a better team than us on both sides of the ball and has gelled stronger as a team since we played them in week 7.

vs Baltimore=Loss- Another good team who has had 4 game winning streaks TWICE this season

@ Cleavland=Loss-Tough game. Cleavland took Dallas into overtime in Dallas. They don't have many weapons but Trent Richardson is a beast and they are a gritty tough nosed team.

@ Philly=Loss-In Philly, tough environment. Got the upperhand on them the first time but teams adjust and watch tape for the second time you come up against them. Andy Reid may be trying to save his job so the team will come out hungry and prepared.

vs Dallas=Loss. Same statement as above, we already played them once and teams adjust for the second matchup. Jason Garrett will propably be on the hot seat as well and desperate for this win.

The Redskins have no homefield advantage playing in Fedex so that's not a pro against NYG, Bmore and Dallas. We also had and still have one of the worst if not worst passing defenses in the league as was on full display against Dallas in the second half. Josh Wilson and Deangelo Hall will not magically turn into Darrelle Revis/Champ Bailey and shut down Cruz, Nicks, Torrey Smith, Dez Bryant. Madoodoo Williams will not magically become a starting caliber NFL safety. The Redskins defense will not all of a sudden start generating pressure on the opposing QB without blitzing, Orakpo and Carriker. Jim Haslett will not transform into Dick Lebeau in the next few days. Kyle Shanahan will not turn into an offensive guru overnight and stop calling plays that make you scratch your head on 3rd and short.

No harm in hoping for miracles but let's not get ahead of ourselves or too dissapointed if the above happens.[/quote]
Wow.

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[quote=FRPLG;967859]Wow.[/quote]

I would have gone with :doh: