Saints Player Bounty Penalties Vacated
 

Here we go:

Tagliabue vacates Saints players' bounty penalties
[url=http://wapo.st/12jrmBs]Tagliabue vacates Saints players' bounty penalties - The Washington Post[/url]

Now what?

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;974312]Here we go:

Tagliabue vacates Saints players' bounty penalties
[url=http://wapo.st/12jrmBs]Tagliabue vacates Saints players' bounty penalties - The Washington Post[/url]

Now what?[/quote]We have to play the Saints again.

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Now...on to those bogus salary cap penalties. We should get the $36 mil back plus an extra 1st rounder for the negative impact from it being implemented unfairly in 2012.

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[quote=Monkeydad;974370]Now...on to those bogus salary cap penalties. We should get the $36 mil back plus an extra [B]1st rounder[/B] for the negative impact from it being implemented unfairly in 2012.[/quote]

And it should be the Giants first rounder.

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I'm curious to see if civil suits come against the NFL as a result. I feel it's fairly easy to argue that these players had their brand irreparably damaged by the first ruling and will want to get some sort of compensation.

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[quote=Daseal;974388]I'm curious to see if civil suits come against the NFL as a result. I feel it's fairly easy to argue that these players had their brand irreparably damaged by the first ruling and will want to get some sort of compensation.[/quote]

Isn't that prohibited by the collective bargaining agreement?

The player just need to get over it.

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Goodell has egg on his face.

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[quote=skinsfan69;974412]Goodell has egg on his face.[/quote]

Not really. I mean it is somewhat embarrassing that the NFL screwed up the "punishment" process. But in the end this ruling doesn't say that Vilma and Co. are innocent. IMO they are not.

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[quote=skinsfan69;974412]Goodell has egg on his face.[/quote]
Why so?

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[quote=Ruhskins;974414]Not really. I mean it is somewhat embarrassing that the NFL screwed up the "punishment" process. [B]But in the end this ruling doesn't say that Vilma and Co. are innocent.[/B] IMO they are not.[/quote]

Right, Tags is just saying he doesn't think the punishment was justified.

I hope this gives us some leverage in getting 36 million in cap space back.

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[quote=Hog1;974464]Why so?[/quote]

Because Goodell wanted these guys to miss a lot of games and with Vilma the entire year. This might have costed Hargrove his career. The punishment didn't fit the crime and most people would agree with that. Obviously Paul T. did as well.

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Next up: Returning the 36 million the NFL stole from the Redskins.

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[quote=skinsfan69;974696]Because Goodell wanted these guys to miss a lot of games and with Vilma the entire year. This might have costed Hargrove his career. The punishment didn't fit the crime and most people would agree with that. Obviously Paul T. did as well.[/quote]

Imo, Goodell has never cared about bounties. Goodell only wants to be able to go into the thousands of law suits from former players suing for concussions and be able to say that the players were doing it to themselves and that the league was trying to protect them. That the players were offering 5-10 thousand for possible career ending and life altering hits but the league did everything within its power to stop it. Goodell has what he wants, imo he couldnt care less about punishment for the players or about the bounties in the first place. Its a tool by the NFL to try and save billions in future law suits that we all know are coming.

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[quote=Hail to the SteelSkins;974703]Next up: Returning the 36 million the NFL stole from the Redskins.[/quote]

IMO we'll never see 36 mil. returned. But we may see 18 mil., or whatever our current remaining balance is, returned.

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[quote=Lotus;974761]IMO we'll never see 36 mil. returned. But we may see 18 mil., or whatever our current remaining balance is, returned.[/quote]

I agree with that, and i think it would be an amicable compromise. Still, i'd love for the Giants to have to give up draft picks to the Redskins and Cowboys to punish Mara for being an a-hole.

I have to say, i think in some ways the penalties may have helped us in the long run, as it forced us to focus more on the draft. Perhaps we would have picked up an RB in free agency, and shanahan might not have drafted Morris, given that we already had Royster and Helu on the roster from the previous years draft. We certainly would have picked up a mediocre veteran QB, making it highly unlikely that we would have drafted Cousins.

Most of all, I think without the penatlies, we would have made a very strong push to sign Manning. And while Manning obviously would have been great for us for a couple years, it would mean that we either did not draft Griffin or, more stupidly, drafted him and kept him on the bench for a couple years.

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Will Snyder keep playing chicken though? How far is he willing to go?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974770]I have to say, i think in some ways the penalties may have helped us in the long run, as it forced us to focus more on the draft. Perhaps we would have picked up an RB in free agency, and shanahan might not have drafted Morris, given that we already had Royster and Helu on the roster from the previous years draft. We certainly would have picked up a mediocre veteran QB, making it highly unlikely that we would have drafted Cousins. [/quote]

I doubt that would be the case, Shanny loves to draft RB gems, not sign someone through FA. The only time I can remember Shanny signed someone to be starting RB was one time when Shanny was in Denver, I couldn't remember his name but the RB was supposed to fit in Shanny's offense well but he couldn't stay away from trouble. Other than that and Hightower (trade), Shanny always find RBs through draft.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;974375]And it should be the Giants first rounder.[/quote]That and giving us back our cap space and slapping Mara's team with a 36 mill cap penalty would be appropriate. F little Mr. " lucky they didn't loose draft picks" Mara and F the Giants.

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While it's fun to talk about getting cap space back and/or punishing Mara and the Giants in some way, does anyone know if there's anything actually going on that would even address this issue with the NFL?

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[quote=Evilgrin;974771]Will Snyder keep playing chicken though? How far is he willing to go?[/quote]

How is Snyder playing chicken?

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[quote=HailGreen28;974813]That and giving us back our cap space and slapping Mara's team with a 36 mill cap penalty would be appropriate. F little Mr. " lucky they didn't loose draft picks" Mara and F the Giants.[/quote]

$43 million.

Dallas had about a $7 million penalty, right?

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[quote=Monkeydad;975080]$43 million.

Dallas had about a $7 million penalty, right?[/quote]i thought it was $10M

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[quote=los panda;975091]i thought it was $10M[/quote]

Sounds about right. I know it was a fraction of ours.

I'm really shocked he didn't try to tag Philly too. That would have made his agenda really obvious though.

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[quote=Monkeydad;975098]Sounds about right. I know it was a fraction of ours.

I'm really shocked he didn't try to tag Philly too. That would have made his agenda really obvious though.[/quote]who else got dragged in, raiders? wasn't it 2 other teams that didn't get cap penalties but also didn't get a piece of the pie?

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;974822]How is Snyder playing chicken?[/quote]

I think he means "if is willing to pursue the collusion case in the courts or not".

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[quote=los panda;975116]who else got dragged in, raiders? wasn't it 2 other teams that didn't get cap penalties but also didn't get a piece of the pie?[/quote]

Yeah, Raiders was for something stupid like $780K if I remember.

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[quote=Hail to the SteelSkins;975131]I think he means "if is willing to pursue the collusion case in the courts or not".[/quote]

I guess I'm wondering if there's anything at all going on to try to recover at least the second installment of the cap penalty.

Whenever this subject comes up on other teams' message boards, there is an amazing apathy, or lack of understanding, about this issue. The consensus seems to be that Jerry and Dan (especially Dan) had this coming...

Have any of our cap gurus ever figured out what it would have cost us in cap space had we not written off the monster contracts during the "capless" year? That would at least enable us to net out the numbers to understand what the real cost of this nonsense was...