Russel Wilson or Bob
 

In hindsight what would have been the better pick for the Skins? Remember Russell allows us to keep all our draft picks. We ahve 3 more first round picks assuming we drafted Wilson in the later rounds.

Just something to chew on.

I think I still take RGIII.

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How is this even a topic for discussion? Other than rob Parker, no one would take Wilson over griffin.

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RG3 is still the better QB and I think more upside. So RG3. Luck or Wilson more applicable imo.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;976907]How is this even a topic for discussion? Other than rob Parker, no one would take Wilson over griffin.[/quote]

Straight up yes but consider the draft picks we gave up. It is just a what if case.

You obviously thought it was worthy enough to click on it and comment. :doh:

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^^^ Let's see GTripp weigh-in before making that assumption.

Personally, the picks were a lot to give up but I think the ceiling for Griffin is much higher than Wilson.

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I think the more relevant question facing the Skins is Orakpo or Rob Jackson?

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Wilson is pretty good but he's not on the level of RG3, Griffin is already a top 10 QB in the NFL, Wilson is not yet. Luck is better than Wilson

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[quote=Chico23231;976909]RG3 is still the better QB and I think more upside. So RG3. Luck or Wilson more applicable imo.[/quote]
The point is you get Wilson in the 3rd round. Luck and RGIII cost us 3 first rounders (to trade up to get them). Imagine you have Wilson and 3 more 1st rounders. I am asking is that better then having just RGIII.

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[quote=Chico23231;976913]I think the more relevant question facing the Skins is Orakpo or Rob Jackson?[/quote]

Both.

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[quote=mredskins;976915]The point is you get Wilson in the 3rd round. Luck and RGIII cost us 3 first rounders (to trade up to get them). Imagine you have Wilson and 3 more 1st rounders. I am asking is that better then having just RGIII.[/quote]

i know, and yes you want the better QB regardless of the draft picks. Even put Luck in the equation...ceiling is still higher with RG3 over both Luck and Wilson.

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Wilson has been really really good, I think someone has to do a full analysis of him after the season. It's hard to read impartial stuff, because he either gets too much praise or overly criticized. I dunno, I think he tends to throw better out of the pocket, which makes alot of people nervous over the long term. He creates a ton of broken plays though, so that is nice and also hard to gauge over one season.

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[quote=Mattyk;976917]Both.[/quote]

Like to see on passing downs Orakpo inside with Coefield and AC with his hand on the ground running stunts with Rob Jackson and Kerigan both on the outside up on the line. Formidable pass rush

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Kirk Cousins or Russell Wilson? Cousins since we drafted him, I loved both before the draft with a preference towards Wilson, i'm happy with Cousins. Double win for the skins.

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[quote=Chico23231;976913]I think the more relevant question facing the Skins is Orakpo or Rob Jackson?[/quote]

I think the question should be Kerrigan or Rob Jackson?

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[quote=Chico23231;976913]I think the more relevant question facing the Skins is Orakpo or Rob Jackson?[/quote]

Seriously? Orakpo. And you need Rob Jackson as depth; not as a starter.


As for Russell Wilson or RG3; Obviously RG3. Russell has a better defense, gives me more scoring opportunities.

I posted an article by Adam Schefter about a week ago saying that the Redskins were planning on drafting Wilson with the pick they chose Cousins with. Imagine that one for a second..

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[quote=donofriose;976927]I think the question should be Kerrigan or Rob Jackson?[/quote]

Again I'd take both.

Jackson is a great backup, but I think we might be getting a little carried away with thinking he can be a full time guy and better than Kerrigan or Rak.

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Not to hijack the thread but since some of you guys are talking pass rushers. I want to see more Doug Worthington, he made some nice plays yesterday.

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I would not have gave up that much for RG3 and I said it when we did it. But what's done is done. He's the reason we're number one in rushing and he's a huge reason why we're in the position we're in. My only concern with RG3 is will he become a polished pocket passer. His style of play will shorten his career. We were VERY lucky that knee didn't snap into pieces.

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Russell Wilson is playing great ball. He just doesn't get the media hype that RG3 does. Great value pick by Seattle.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;976913]I think the more relevant question facing the Skins is Orakpo or Rob Jackson?[/QUOTE]

In part, the hyping of Jackson seems to me to be endemic of a fan base used to the lack of depth. Jackson is a solid player. He is a great 3rd or 4th OLB but an average to good starter. He represents something this team has lacked for so long - a home grown sub who has had time to marinate w/in the system. He works hard, belongs in the NFL and is ready to step in on game day. At the same time, he is not anywhere near Rak's talent level (or, IMHO, Kerrigan's for that matter).

If Jackson goes elsewhere, he will not be nearly as good as he is here. Bank on it.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;976928][U][B]Seriously? Orakpo. And you need Rob Jackson as depth; not as a starter.[/B][/U]


As for Russell Wilson or RG3; Obviously RG3. Russell has a better defense, gives me more scoring opportunities.

I posted an article by Adam Schefter about a week ago saying that the Redskins were planning on drafting Wilson with the pick they chose Cousins with. Imagine that one for a second..[/quote]

Sir, you may need to get in the film room. Jackson is pretty good and seems to be getting better by experience.

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I would give up another 1st rounder for Griffin in hindsight. Come on Man!

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[quote=Mattyk;976930]Again I'd take both.

Jackson is a great backup, but I think we might be getting a little carried away with thinking he can be a full time guy and better than Kerrigan or Rak.[/quote]

Well I think its still relevant cause the FO did try to move Rak a couple times. I think we should resign Jackson and wait to see if this injury for Rak is gonna continue. I do like both together.

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[quote=Chico23231;976943]Well I think its still relevant cause the FO did try to move Rak a couple times. I think we should resign Jackson and wait to see if this injury for Rak is gonna continue. I do like both together.[/quote]

When did we try to move Rak? I vaguely remember the notion being raised but I am not sure I ever knew they had seriously pursued it.

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[quote=Chico23231;976943]Well I think its still relevant cause [B]the FO did try to move Rak a couple times[/B]. I think we should resign Jackson and wait to see if this injury for Rak is gonna continue. I do like both together.[/quote]

I think that's a little overblown. He was a potential chip on the table, but it's not as if they were actively seeking to move him.

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[quote=skinsfan69;976936]I would not have gave up that much for RG3 and I said it when we did it. But what's done is done. He's the reason we're number one in rushing and he's a huge reason why we're in the position we're in. My only concern with RG3 is will he become a polished pocket passer. His style of play will shorten his career. We were VERY lucky that knee didn't snap into pieces.[/quote]

Will he become a polished pocket passer? Really? But I agree with you with the concern of his style of play. I must say though that typically, the athletic QBs don't ever become polished pocket passers and their style of play puts then at risk for injuries. RGIII just needs realize his toughness is tougher than his body. He's not far from being a polished pocket passer. But then again, don't they have great OLs?

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[quote=FRPLG;976944]When did we try to move Rak? I vaguely remember the notion being raised but I am not sure I ever knew they had seriously pursued it.[/quote]

He was leveraged in the deal with the Rams instead of this past year's 2nd round pick if I remember correctly.

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Jackson is fine..good player. He doesn't bring the same type of effect to the game that Rak does. Teams have to game plan for Orakpo and Kerrigan. Guys like Jackson share in the spoils of having game plans that ignore them. That's a how a good unit is built. Have some top guys who carry the load in terms of the others team's focus and have capable guys who can capitalize on that. Just look at Pittsburgh for years. They didn't have 11 pro-bowlers on defense they had 3 to 4 really really good players and a bunch of other guys good enough to make plays that exist because of those really really good players.

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[quote=Chico23231;976948]He was leveraged in the deal with the Rams instead of this past year's 2nd round pick if I remember correctly.[/quote]

Really? You sure that isn't just speculation?

Even if...

Not sure I consider leveraging him to help get our franchise QB meaning anything other than they really wanted to get RGIII. Not that they're really interested in moving him.

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Honestly I'm not even concerned about RG3's ability to transition over time to a pocket passer.

That said, for the next few years his legs will remain a huge weapon and he should still use them when needed. We've already seen the designed runs drastically cut down and he's been much smarter about getting out of bounds. He's only running a handful of times per game now mostly on scrambles when the pocket breaks down.

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We're on the verge of winning the division for the first time since dirt was born and someone wants to second guess our QB pick in the last draft?
:doh:

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One of the biggest issues we have on defense since he's been out is that we can't generate pressure out of four man rushes...how does getting rid of our best pass rusher help that? Jackson IS NOT better at that. I'd be shocked to learn anyone felt he was.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;976954]We're on the verge of winning the division for the first time since dirt was born and someone wants to second guess our QB pick in the last draft?
:doh:[/quote]

lol, Like TO Killa said, Id gladly give up another first round pick for RG3

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There's no comparison. It should be Wilson or Cousins! If the Skins do play SEA in the playoffs, I'm inclined to think RGIII would make SEA's Richard Sherman eat his words that Wilson is better than RGIII!

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Bob

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;976939]Sir, you may need to get in the film room. Jackson is pretty good and seems to be getting better by experience.[/quote]

I know that Orakpo can get to the QB more than Rob Jackson. Rob Jackson is better in pass coverage than Orakpo, thats it.

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[quote=Mattyk;976951]Honestly I'm not even concerned about RG3's ability to transition over time to a pocket passer.

That said, for the next few years his legs will remain a huge weapon and he should still use them when needed. We've already seen the designed runs drastically cut down and he's been much smarter about getting out of bounds. He's only running a handful of times per game now mostly on scrambles when the pocket breaks down.[/quote]

That's true but he's already been hurt twice now running out of the pocket. We were very fortunate that he didn't have a devestating knee injury last week. With his style of play we're going to need a quality back up.

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Stop calling RG3 Bob! That is so played out now.

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;976939]Sir, you may need to get in the film room. Jackson is pretty good and seems to be getting better by experience.[/quote]

The loss of Orakpo(the primary pass rusher by a wide margin) has basically crippled the overall pass defense. Rob Jackson is a solid depth player, with a nose for the football. Why is this even a discussion? Additionally, why are so many fans willing to get rid of Orakpo? You'd think the that lack of any legitimate pass rush this season would go to prove how important he is.

Also, Bob. If Griffin had the luxury of Seattle's defense and special teams, we'd be talking Superbowl.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;976985]Stop calling RG3 Bob! That is so played out now.[/quote]

Really because RGII seems to be pretty well played...When I say RG3 I expect to see R2D2's cousin.


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