I'm Going On INDY Radio To Discuss Luck vs RGIII!
 

Jake Query, Indy sports radio 1260 WNDE, invited me on his show today around 3:30 pm EST to discuss RGIII vs Luck from a Redskins fan perspective.

I wanted to solicit some points, perspective, and statistics from you guys that would make the case for RGIII.

[B][I]One caveat[/I][/B]. About a month ago I thought Luck was virtually a lock for ROY because the Colts were headed to the playoffs. Since then, the Skins went on a roll and are positioned as well.

Mods, if you want to move this thread elsewhere, feel free. Thanks.

[url=http://www.sportsradio1260.com/pages/query-schultz.html]Query & Schultz - SportsRadio 1260 WNDE[/url]

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One thing I will mention is that the Colts have beaten only two teams with winning records.

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Turnovers!!!

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[quote=12thMan;980409]One thing I will mention is that the Colts have beaten only two teams with winning records.[/quote]

I don't know that that's such a strong argument

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If the Redskins win this week they will win their Division. I know Russell Wilson and Andrew Luck already have their teams in the playoffs, but RGIII, could win the division for his team. Luck and Wilson can't say they have done that. Another case for RGIII, better QB rating, against tougher opponents.

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[quote=SmootSmack;980411]I don't know that that's such a strong argument[/quote]

So you wouldn't bring that up?

The thinking from Indy's perspective is Luck has brought the franchise back from the dead and turned them around. ButI hear ya.

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Okay, so Jake wants to know what's OUR perception of Andrew Luck. The call will last about 5-7 minutes. Said he'll give Warpath a shout out too!

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RG3's stats blow Luck's out of the water when you compare them side by side, no contest really.

Luck has too many turnovers.

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I hate to say it, but in my mind if the Redskins dont' win this Sunday and win the Division, then I think Andrew Luck is ROY for taking his team to the playoffs. If The skins win however, RGIII will have won the NFC East for his team, which one-ups Luck. I know RGIII wins the "most effecient" award between the two of them and Russell Wilson has been right up there as well. But objectively you have to say going from 2-14 to the playoffs is just amazing for Indy and without Luck, it doesn't happen.

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[quote=12thMan;980413]So you wouldn't bring that up?

The thinking from Indy's perspective is Luck has brought the franchise back from the dead and turned them around. ButI hear ya.[/quote]

Yeah I don't buy that thinking, because the Colts really had one bad year. They haven't been a franchise mired in mediocrity. I do understand they have many new players.

Luck has had a solid season but not the most efficient in my opinion. I mean the turnovers alone have been prolific and at times horrific. Luck this year is like that NBA player who you say "Wow! He scored 40 points tonight" and then you see he was 13-38 from the field, 4-10 from 3 point range, and 12-12 from the line" (don't ask me if that adds up to 40, I didn't do the math).

But speak from your heart man, you're a lifelong DC resident. Talk about how the two most important positions in DC are President of the US and Redskins QB. And RG3 has revitalized not just the franchise, but the community.

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I haven't seen anything other than Luck's highlights, but from the limited amount I've seen of him I can say I think he looks natural and comfortable in the pocket, and is also surprisingly calm for a rookie qb. He's made his share of rookie turnovers but it doesn't seem to faze him at all, and big deficits don't faze him either.

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[quote=Mattyk;980415]RG3's stats blow Luck's out of the water when you compare them side by side, no contest really.

Luck has too many turnovers.[/quote]

I hear everyone saying this but to be fair, Luck has around 600 throws and they play in a pass first offense. Ours is run first. RG3 doesn't even have 400 attempts. Still, RG3 has protected the ball better than Luck, but if we ran that type of offense, he would probably have more picks. Just sayin' ...

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I think you talk about completion % 66.4 to 54.3 and Yards per attempt 8.27 vs 6.98. When comparing, talk about the expectations as a [B]natural passer[/B]. RG3 wasnt suppose to do this, Luck was expected too. The 8.27 per attempt crushes any arguement of screens, short passes. RG3 is leading the league with 8.27 meaning he is getting the ball down the field and doing at a very accurate clip. Also you talk about the interceptions too.

The crazy thing is RG3 is a much better pure passer than originally thought, and he is doing this convincingly better than Luck.

I think the rush, big plays speak for themself from RG3.

I think if they bring up scheme its the equivalent of a weak arguement of who you played and beat. You cant determine the schedule just like RG3 couldnt develop the scheme.

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I guess the real question is what has ROY been based on in the past? Individual preformance or team record. MVP is more a team record achievement to me. How "Valuable" are you to your team. ROY is more stat based and individual accomplishments in my mind. If you take team performance and records away then RGIII has had a better Rookie year than anyone really. I would also like to see if someone knows the QB ratings of Rookie QBs in the past. Has anyone ever been over 100 in their Rookie year? I think baring a total colapse by RGIII Sunday, he will finsih the regular season with a QB rating over 100. Has that ever been done with as many games as he has played this year?

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Thanks, SS.

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[quote=SmootSmack;980417]Yeah I don't buy that thinking, because the Colts really had one bad year. They haven't been a franchise mired in mediocrity. I do understand they have many new players.

Luck has had a solid season but not the most efficient in my opinion. I mean the turnovers alone have been prolific and at times horrific. Luck this year is like that NBA player who you say "Wow! He scored 40 points tonight" and then you see he was 13-38 from the field, 4-10 from 3 point range, and 12-12 from the line" (don't ask me if that adds up to 40, I didn't do the math).

But speak from your heart man, you're a lifelong DC resident. [B]Talk about how the two most important positions in DC are President of the US and Redskins QB. And RG3 has revitalized not just the franchise, but the community[/B].[/quote]

Excellent point and definitely something to emphasize, I can't ever remember a season like this. What he's done in uniting people around the DMV is nothing short of incredible. I can't go anywhere in public or at work with Skins gear on without getting into a conversation with someone about what the Skins have done, or what RG3 is going to do next. It's crazy thinking about how one guy has brought us [I]a lot[/I] of people together like this.

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I'm jsut curious, if Luck were a Redskin and RG3 was a Colt, and they're stats were the same, what would we say about RG3? Probably that he plays in a safer offense and Luck throws it downfield more. Both guys are very very good for rookies. But in the passing game, Indy w/out question demands more from Luck than we do with RG3.

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[quote=SmootSmack;980417]Yeah I don't buy that thinking, because the Colts really had one bad year. They haven't been a franchise mired in mediocrity. I do understand they have many new players.

Luck has had a solid season but not the most efficient in my opinion. I mean the turnovers alone have been prolific and at times horrific. Luck this year is like that NBA player who you say "Wow! He scored 40 points tonight" and then you see he was 13-38 from the field, 4-10 from 3 point range, and 12-12 from the line" (don't ask me if that adds up to 40, I didn't do the math).

But speak from your heart man, you're a lifelong DC resident. Talk about how the two most important positions in DC are President of the US and Redskins QB. And [B]RG3 has revitalized not just the franchise, but the community.[/quote][/B]

[B]W/out question. [/B]

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Luck might have more yards passing simply because he hasn't enjoyed the running game that Gryphon has. To me this point narrows the passing yardage gap between the two.

The yardage gap becomes much narrower when you consider what Gryphon has done with his legs, in terms of rushing yardage. And it is not just the yardage gap at stake here: Gryphon makes defenses play honest in a way that Luck does not because of his running threat.

Since the radio is interested in our perceptions of Luck, of course I think that Luck is a phenomenal talent. He has a strong, accurate arm, makes some good decisions (and will make better decisions when he is no longer a rook), and provides leadership.

But I personally have no Luck envy. As phenomenal as Luck has been, I am very happy that we have Gryphon.

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[quote=Mattyk;980415]RG3's stats blow Luck's out of the water when you compare them side by side, no contest really.

Luck has too many turnovers.[/quote]


Some stats. He's way behind in yards, attempts, completions, and slightly behind in TDs. Now granted, I would prefer RGIII's stats to Luck's so lets get that cleared up before any knuckleheads decide to read more into than what's said.


Bottom line is, Luck has less to work with than RGIII does, and is asked to do more than RGIII is. Would he be causing that many TOs if he had a running game like we do? Who knows. Does Luck have a Trent Williams or a Montgomery blocking for him? Not hardly. Our 3rd string TE(paulsen) has outperformed all of their TEs. (including Fleener)

Remember, that Colts defense is one that gave up 352 rushing yards the other week so it's not like that defense is carrying the team. It's not.

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[quote=scowan;980416]I hate to say it, but in my mind if the Redskins dont' win this Sunday and win the Division, then I think Andrew Luck is ROY for taking his team to the playoffs. If The skins win however, RGIII will have won the NFC East for his team, which one-ups Luck. I know RGIII wins the "most effecient" award between the two of them and Russell Wilson has been right up there as well. But objectively you have to say going from 2-14 to the playoffs is just amazing for Indy and without Luck, it doesn't happen.[/quote]


Yeah, had they not decided to cut ties and go the youth route with Luck they might have been stuck with [I]Peyton Manning.[/I] :silly:

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Well you know part of being a great QB is making players around you better. So we shouldn't just look at it like well lucky for RG3 he's got Logan Paulsen...why not lucky for Pualsen he's got RG3

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[quote=NC_Skins;980430]Some stats. He's way behind in yards, attempts, completions, and slightly behind in TDs. Now granted, I would prefer RGIII's stats to Luck's so lets get that cleared up before any knuckleheads decide to read more into than what's said.


Bottom line is, Luck has less to work with than RGIII does, and is asked to do more than RGIII is. Would he be causing that many TOs if he had a running game like we do? Who knows. Does Luck have a Trent Williams or a Montgomery blocking for him? Not hardly. Our 3rd string TE(paulsen) has outperformed all of their TEs. (including Fleener)

Remember, that Colts defense is one that gave up 352 rushing yards the other week so it's not like that defense is carrying the team. It's not.[/quote]

Reggie Wayne was balling this year. And they have a couple of Pro-Bowlers on defense, albeit on the down slope.

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[quote=NC_Skins;980430]Some stats. He's way behind in yards, attempts, completions, and slightly behind in TDs. Now granted, I would prefer RGIII's stats to Luck's so lets get that cleared up before any knuckleheads decide to read more into than what's said.[/quote]

Let's just say RG3's passing stats are vastly more efficient. Higher QB rating, completion %, QBR, only 5 INTs, etc. And you can add in his impressive rushing numbers as well.

I think RG3 keeps defensive coordinators up at night, Luck is good but I don't think opposing DC's have fits about having to face him like they do with Griffin.

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i just think you keep it simple and look at expectations. RG3 is 2nd rated passer behind Aaron Rogers, that is just amazing. Noone thought he could throw the ball this effecient out of college.

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Redskins are #1 in the NFL in yards per play with 6.3 yards per play. Higher than Denver and New England. [url=http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/yards-per-play]NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Yards per Play on TeamRankings.com[/url]
Redskins are #1 in the NFL in least amount of turnovers.
Redskins are #1 running team in the NFL.
RG3 is 2nd rated passer behind Aaron Rogers.
"RGIIi is more physically gifted player than Luck with a beautiful throwing motion and a knack for making good decisions on the football field – and he also just happens to have track-star speed."

The colts offense is not number at anything other than maybe turnovers

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Don't forget to ask him about question number 3.

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I actually don't think it is that close -- to Smoot's point, a great QB makes those around him better. Logan Paulsen is a third string TE w/o RG3, Pierre Garcon was always a #2 but with RG3, is playing like a #1. Santana has played surprisingly well b/c of RG3. On top of that, the whole, "RG3 has Alfred Morris" argument doesn't really hold as much water either. Morris is a beast but when a linebacker has to forever spy your quarterback b/c of the play-action bootleg, it makes running the ball much easier.

As for the Andrew Luck has to throw more passes -- that still doesn't work b/c in terms of Passer Rating, QBR, Yards per Attempt etc. and all other metrics of efficiency, RG3 is ahead by a comfortable margin.

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12th. Sounds like an awesome opportunity. I wouldn't bad mouth Luck. We've been lucky to see possibly the best rookie QB class ever. Both are great players that will be fun to watch for a long time.

A great resource is this indystar article that compares all rookies and their stats:
[url=http://www.indystar.com/section/sports0301]Test of Luck | Indianapolis Star | indystar.com[/url]

I suggest checking it out for the big differences between the two. Luck is asked to throw the rock a lot more than Griffin. Because of that teams are able to play better coverage. I think if we played a traditional NFL offense, like Luck, RG3 would see many more INTs. Also, fumble numbers may be important. RG3 has 12 fumbles (2 lost) and Luck has 10 (5 lost). So add an additional 3 turnovers to Luck.

I think Luck is a fantastic player, but really the change in DC is amazing. We haven't won for a long time. We've had 'hope' for the first few weeks of the year -- but the last time I was inspired going into week 17 was....... I don't even know.

Have fun and please let us know how it goes and find out if there's a way we can listen to the interview online!

Edit: Surprisingly RG3 only has 1 more rushing TD than Luck (6v5)

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FWIW, I don't like QBR. Kaepernick is two slots ahead of RG in total QBR. No thanks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;980417]Yeah I don't buy that thinking, because the Colts really had one bad year. They haven't been a franchise mired in mediocrity.[/quote]

THANK YOU!

It drives me crazy when I hear how Luck "brought the Colts back from the dead" yada yada yada.

Here's the history of the Colts:

- Sucked ass after Unitas.
- Their years of incompetence left them with a high draft pick to get Peyton.
- They rode the hall of famer to [B]11 playoff appearances in 12 years[/B]. They [B]won 8 division titles [/B]in that time.
- When their star goes down for [B]one[/B] year how does the storied franchise respond?? 2-14.
- Their incompetence left them with a high draft pick to get Luck.

Wash rinse repeat.

Ask Colt fans if they feel GUILTY for having Peyton for 12 years, then getting Luck for the next decade. All the Colts know how to do is suck, and draft HOF QBs. You can quote me. :)

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[quote=NC_Skins;980430]Some stats. He's way behind in yards, attempts, completions, and slightly behind in TDs. Now granted, I would prefer RGIII's stats to Luck's so lets get that cleared up before any knuckleheads decide to read more into than what's said.


[B]Bottom line is, Luck has less to work with than RGIII does, and is asked to do more than RGIII is.[/B] Would he be causing that many TOs if he had a running game like we do? Who knows. Does Luck have a Trent Williams or a Montgomery blocking for him? Not hardly. Our 3rd string TE(paulsen) has outperformed all of their TEs. (including Fleener)

Remember, that Colts defense is one that gave up 352 rushing yards the other week so it's not like that defense is carrying the team. It's not.[/quote]

Pretty much sums it up. Luck has a below average line and outside of Wayne they really don't have a quality NFL wr. He's done a really nice job in his rookie year IMO.

But this guy Hilton that they drafted really looks like he's going to be a player.

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;980450]THANK YOU!

It drives me crazy when I hear how Luck "brought the Colts back from the dead" yada yada yada.

Here's the history of the Colts:

- Sucked ass after Unitas.
- Their years of incompetence left them with a high draft pick to get Peyton.
- They rode the hall of famer to [B]11 playoff appearances in 12 years[/B]. They [B]won 8 division titles [/B]in that time.
- When their star goes down for [B]one[/B] year how does the storied franchise respond?? 2-14.
- Their incompetence left them with a high draft pick to get Luck.

Wash rinse repeat.

Ask Colt fans if they feel GUILTY for having Peyton for 12 years, then getting Luck for the next decade. All the Colts know how to do is suck, and draft HOF QBs. You can quote me. :)[/quote]

Perfect post; here is your defense. If I was them I would break out how bad last year was.....their offense was much worse than the Skins; above is how u counter it -"pfft one bleeping year of bad vs 20 year, two decades of complete inccompetence"

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[quote=CrazyCanuck;980450]THANK YOU!

It drives me crazy when I hear how Luck "brought the Colts back from the dead" yada yada yada.

Here's the history of the Colts:

- [B]Sucked ass after Unitas.[/B]
- Their years of incompetence left them with a high draft pick to get Peyton.
- They rode the hall of famer to [B]11 playoff appearances in 12 years[/B]. They [B]won 8 division titles [/B]in that time.
- When their star goes down for [B]one[/B] year how does the storied franchise respond?? 2-14.
- Their incompetence left them with a high draft pick to get Luck.

Wash rinse repeat.

Ask Colt fans if they feel GUILTY for having Peyton for 12 years, then getting Luck for the next decade. All the Colts know how to do is suck, and draft HOF QBs. You can quote me. :)[/quote]

The Bert Jones years were pretty good. But that is nitpicking. Great post.

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[quote=12thMan;980413]So you wouldn't bring that up?

The thinking from Indy's perspective is Luck has brought the franchise [B]back from the dead [/B]and turned them around. ButI hear ya.[/quote]

They had one losing season in the last ten years!!!

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Don't go off QBR; its what Trent Dilfer made to make sure Aaron Rodgers is number 1 every year.


Mention what I've been saying for the past week; Andrew Luck has put his team in these holes and has gotten his team out of it. "An Arsonist that puts out his own fires"

You can mention that Luck has the second most turnovers in the league behind...Mark Sanchez.

RG3 only has 5 picks

RG3 has more Rushing yards

RG3 has lost weapons on offense and defense and this team is riding high. Lucks defense is much better and his offensive weapons have remained the same.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;980467]RG3 has lost weapons on offense and defense and this team is riding high. [B]Lucks defense is much better and his offensive weapons have remained the same[/B].[/quote]

False. Beside Reggie Wayne, that's not true. (Gonzalez, Garcon, CLark are all gone)

Colts defense ranked #26. Ours is ranked #28. We both give up the same points per game at 24.7. Much better? ROFL. If anything, our defenses are equal.

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Done. That wasn't so bad.

He gave like two or three shout outs to the Warpath.

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Nice 12th , liked that fact you brought up the past 20 years , and that we can beat Dallas & win our Division !

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[quote=12thMan;980413]So you wouldn't bring that up?

The thinking from Indy's perspective is Luck has brought the franchise back from the dead and turned them around. ButI hear ya.[/quote]

The way I see it is this, Luck has not done anything for the Colts that Manning could not have done or has not done. The Colts laid down last season in order to get Luck. They are virtually the same team they have been for many years.

RG3 on the other hand has lifted the entire Redskins organization, coaches and fan base. He has single handedly changed the franchise as a whole from a team that basically could not win to one that can not lose.

Sorry this is late but still wanted to air it out.