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The Smithsonian's National Museum of the American Indian @SmithsonianNMAI is hosting a symposium today, Feb 7 10:15-5:45, to change the Redskins mascot. Link to watch on @Ustream [url=http://ustre.am/5ji0]Smithsonian American Indian Museum on USTREAM: The National Museum of the American Indian is the first national museum dedicated to the preservation, stud...[/url]

Pretty sure this is going to be a one sided discussion. Mike Wise will be among the speakers. If anyone plans on attending give him a big hug for me.

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Yay, another name-change debate. We haven't had enough of those over the years.

/sarcasm.

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There's an editorial in today's Wash Post about the logo and I saw that Channel 4 is doing a poll to see if people think the name should be changed. I really think this could be the beginning of the end for the Redskins name and logo.

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I said editorial and I mis-spoke. Its a column by Robert McCarthy. He says he's a season ticket holder.

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Looks like another hand full of people trying to make this happen. I bet they have a problem with the live feed because so few people show up. I heard they ordered one porta poty for the event.

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Mike Wise is a f*cking douchebag, wanna-be-on tv jouranlist. Tony Kornheiser wanna be bitch. Washington DC sports journalism/radio media has got to be some of the worst in the country hands down. Thank god for John Keim keeping it real.

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They have a conversation section where you can talk to the other person probably me watching.

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I listened for a few minutes and after hearing the applause my guess is they have more people on the panel then in the audience.

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The name isn't changing. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

[IMG]http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/officer-barbrady-picture_174x268.jpg[/IMG]

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I'd rather talk about the merits of the NFL super bowl halftime show. Ughhhh....

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I feel like one of these threads pops up every month when some new article comes out by some bored sports-writer who is too lazy to think of something else to write about.

There are segments of the population who probably have some kind of forum or prostest or whatever regarding the team name every week. Nothing new to see or discuss and im glad to see no one is bothering to debate the issue here. It does not merit discussion, only dismissal.

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BHA, you don't find the name offensive or one that merits a debate even?

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Am I the only one that went to listen for a few minutes. Every time they mentioned the Redskins I typed in HTTR in the coversation area. After I listened for about 5 min I realized some people think way to hard on these issues.

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[quote=12thMan;993542]BHA, you don't find the name offensive or one that merits a debate even?[/quote]

This "debate" has been what, 20+ years in the making? Gotta think if it had real merit something would have changed by now.

Goodell was asked about it at the SB and he basically shrugged it off as no big deal. Doesn't seem to be an issue on his radar.

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By the way, I agree with everyone here.

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[quote=12thMan;993542]BHA, you don't find the name offensive or one that merits a debate even?[/quote]


No, and No.

The issue has been debated for decades. There's nothing new to discuss. There are no new arguments to be made. We're in a part of the off-season where there is almost nothing of note to discuss, and i'm still not interested in having an actual discusion about the issue.

Edit - I see a poll was added to the discussion. I will not vote on issue because i dont think it merits a vote.

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So because it's been debated for 20 years means it's not worthy of debate now? Not following that logic.

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[quote=12thMan;993550]So because it's been debated for 20 years means it's not worthy of debate now? Not following that logic.[/quote]

Its called beating a dead horse, and is a pretty common concept.

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And here I thought we were going to talk about all the boring art at the Smithsonian that we saw on our class field trip to DC :lol:

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Did anyone even listen in to their convention?

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who voted they should change their name? and why?

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I vote for automatic bans for any Redskins "fan" who says yes.


Step up, you two.

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So if we change our name, then the Indians and the Braves are gonna be next? Right? Right?!

If not then everyone really needs to let this go. They find the Redskins offensive but they don't find this offensive?!

[IMG]http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Braves-Hat.jpg[/IMG]

The hat is actually called the "Screaming Savage"

Can't make this stuff up.

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I highly suggest some people read the link posted at the bottom of my post. It is really an excellent read about an issue that plagues our team. Here is a quick excerpt:

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Goddard shows that the term redskin is a translation from native American languages of a term used by native Americans for themselves. Harjo's claim that it "had its origins in the practice of presenting bloody red skins and scalps as proof of Indian kill for bounty payments" is unsupported by any evidence.⁴ The term entered popular usage via the novels of James Fenimore Cooper. In the early- to mid-nineteenth century the term was neutral, not pejorative, and indeed was often used in contexts in which whites spoke of Indians in positive terms. Goddard concludes:


Cooper's use of redskin as a Native American in-group term was entirely authentic, reflecting both the accurate perception of the Indian self-image and the evolving respect among whites for the Indians' distinct cultural perspective, whatever its prospects. The descent of this word into obloquy is a phenomenon of more recent times.
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[url=http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002961.html]Language Log: The Origin of Redskin[/url]

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[quote=DynamiteRave;993586]So if we change our name, then the Indians and the Braves are gonna be next? Right? Right?!

If not then everyone really needs to let this go. They find the Redskins offensive but they don't find this offensive?!

[IMG]http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Braves-Hat.jpg[/IMG]

The hat is actually called the "Screaming Savage"

Can't make this stuff up.[/quote]

Funny you mention the word savage. I graduated college from SOSU and we were the Savages. Now they are the Savage Storm.Really come on now. :Flush:

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[quote=12thMan;993546]By the way, I agree with everyone here.[/quote]
Beware my wrath...Your name....Offends!
you'll hear from my scribe......
--Archimedes

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There next segment is on the Redskins. Should be fun to watch.

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[quote=Krusheasy;993493]The Smithsonian's National Museum of the American Indian @SmithsonianNMAI is hosting a symposium today, Feb 7 10:15-5:45, to change the Redskins mascot. Link to watch on @Ustream [URL="http://ustre.am/5ji0"]Smithsonian American Indian Museum on USTREAM: The National Museum of the American Indian is the first national museum dedicated to the preservation, stud...[/URL]

Pretty sure this is going to be a one sided discussion. Mike Wise will be among the speakers. If anyone plans on attending give him a big hug for me.[/quote]

People need to stop being so politically correct, stop letting petty issues upset them, and find something more important to occupy their time like fighting to keep the government from taking away our rights or advocating for Obama to release his records so this whole issue of whether he is or is not elligible to hold office can get resolved. ;)

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;993554]Its called beating a dead horse, and is a pretty common concept.[/quote]

How about that CAP penalty? lol

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How about ..... the Washington Drones . The team motto " we seak and destroy " eagles , cowboys and dirty little giants ! Im so good :)

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Call me crazy, but I think the word Savage sounds more offensive/worse than the word Redskins.

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If they changed the name to whiteskins i wouldn't have a problem with name. How about the Washington Caucasianskins? I hope they never change the name.

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Yeah, like Poser's article. the earliest usage of "Redskin" a Google search yields me are examples of indians like "Black Thunder" referring to themselves and whites as "red skins" and "white skins" non-pejoratively.

The racism associated with the name "redskin" came later, in western entertainment like old cowboy movies. These people trying to sue the Redskins should go after those estates / copyright holders. Maybe the club and we fans should join the protesters in that lawsuit, lol.

To suggest the Washington football team would pick an insulting name to call THEMSELVES, for people TO CHEER FOR, is beyond stupid. It's ignoring facts of the name's origin, it's origin with the team, and current usage, to try to win a political issue (Common tactic for liberals/conservatives/everybody it seems sadly), and maybe a guilty liberal "feel good", or bashing those rowdy football fans, or power trip telling an NFL franchise what to do, or even a monetary gain behind taking away a club trademark. Who knows? It's ultimately just plain ignorant to bash the Washington Redskins today.

Lastly, what George Preston Marshall did with segregation was evil and wrong. But ours wasn't the only NFL franchise to segregate, only the last to change because of one racist, the owner. I'm tired of our club being singled out as if all the other clubs old as ours were clean.

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I vote we change the name to [COLOR="Purple"][SIZE="5"][B]"Youoverbearingpoliticalcorrecttreehuggingpinheadscankissmyroyalassandgosuckeggsinacloset"[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]

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What it all boils down to is INTENT. Is the name being used to intentionally to degrade a specific person or group of people? And that answer is NO. I doubt the NFL would have let any owner past or present use a name that was intended to degrade anyone or any group.

If anything its intent was to promote or give a positive light to a group of people. They should, instead of complaining, be proud and glad the American Indian is in such a spot light for the world to see.

But for those who seek change and would like DS to change the name so he would get even more money because EVERYONE would want the new Jersey with the new logo and name...... I suggest a slight name change so there is no major difference. I recommend the name "REDNECKS".

The colors can stay the same and most rednecks I know would be proud of the name on a professional team. Pick whatever logo works for that name. Lol.

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Go back to the R logo, which I like better anyway, and claim the Redskin name refers to potatoes. We don't need to have a potato logo. Packers is for meat packers, but you don't see a butcher as their mascot.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;993642]I vote we change the name to [COLOR="Purple"][SIZE="5"][B]"Youoverbearingpoliticalcorrecttreehuggingpinheadscankissmyroyalassandgosuckeggsinacloset"[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/quote]

Don't bring tree huggers into this.

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[quote=SBXVII;993660]What it all boils down to is INTENT. Is the name being used to intentionally to degrade a specific person or group of people? And that answer is NO. I doubt the NFL would have let any owner past or present use a name that was intended to degrade anyone or any group.

If anything its intent was to promote or give a positive light to a group of people. They should, instead of complaining, be proud and glad the American Indian is in such a spot light for the world to see.[/quote]Great point!

On CSN last night Brian Mitchell said that if the name is offensive to even ONE person it should be changed and I have to call BS on that. I'm not saying "Redskins" can't be used as an insult, but individual people are nuts and can be insulted by the dumbest crap!
I guarantee you could find a PETA member who finds any animal-based team name offensive because they think it exploits the animal for human entertainment.
I bet there are born again Christians who find any name with the words "Devil" or "Daemon" offensive because it invokes evil.
There are probably extreme pacifists and/or environmentalists who are offended by Jets and Rockets.
Hell, there are probably color-blind people who find color-based names offensive!
(okay, I've been watching too much Parks & Rec; this is turning into one of those town forum scenes)

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The thing is the Indian head (logo) has been such a great tradition. So if you can't beat them join them. If every Indian bought into the Redskins as being their team and said "it's awesome how the team is promoting Indians" this whole issue would be a different story. One would think the American Indians would be complaining that there are no other teams recognizing the Indian.

I've often wondered the same thing about the Rebel flag. The flag originally was not a negative symbol. It was a symbol to differentiate the North from the South and it was only used in battle. Later a bunch of racists adopted the flag and the sentament has changed about the flag. What would happen if Black Americans started flying the flag? wearing shirts with the flag on it? sported it more often? The whole conotation more then likely would change and those racist groups would not want to fly something their enemy is flying.

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[quote=Mattyk;993544]This "debate" has been what, 20+ years in the making? Gotta think if it had real merit something would have changed by now.

Goodell was asked about it at the SB and he basically shrugged it off as no big deal. Doesn't seem to be an issue on his radar.[/quote]

I suspect Goodell shrugged it off because it was something he didnt want to deal with during SB week but I am sure its on his radar.

I dont have a problem with the name Redskins and I dont care if they change it or not, but I do think that the fact the debate has been going on so long means it does still have some merit. Just because something is debated over many years without a resolution doesnt mean something wont change in the future and anyone who thinks the name isnt going to change at some point is fooling themselves. The name will be changed in the next 5 years.