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From Peter King's MMQ:

[I]Didn't like: Washington, even with a smart guy like Joe Gibbs running the show, still seems like a team lurching from one cap mess to the next. Other than Peyton Manning, no NFL player will make as much cash in 2004. Two years ago, Laveranues Coles was the cat's meow. Now he's just another $9.3 million cap mess to clean up. I noticed the Redskins seemed to be congratulating themselves on having Santana Moss and David Patten starting at receiver in 2005. Why? Moss was a perennial disappointment with the Jets; how will 'Skins fans react the first time he runs out of bounds away from contact instead of trying to make four more yards? Patten was the fourth receiver on a Patriots' team with no receiving star. Lord help Patrick Ramsey. [/I]

Is he right? I think he makes some good points and am sorry to say that I think he is correct. Fortunately, we have the draft to address the WR corps.

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I won't say he's right until I watch those receivers play in '05. From fans of both teams, they seemed to have an overall very positive outlook on these receivers. Like I said before, I don't mind Moss running out of bounce to avoid contact (Lord knows I have seen Rice over his career do the same thing), as long as he makes the first down before he runs out. Sometimes being too greedy gets ya nowhere!

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Regardless of what the Skins do, Peter King will always criticize them. We're talking about the guy who think Art Monk doesn't deserve to be in the HOF.

I could careless about what he thinks. Fat bastard.

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I don't see the Skins congratulating themsleves on anything. Nor does it appear that Patten will necessarily be starter. There is something to be said for having depth which apparently escapes that turd sandwhich King.

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Hmm, sounds like Peter King has something against Washington receivers. He's the one that is behind the whole 'keep Monk out of the Hall' bandwagon.

That being said, I think that Patten, Moss, Jacobs, & Thrash can be successful if we can get them the ball.

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Patten's 3 ring's are meaningless? Apparently because the Pat's talent is spread out amoungst many no one player is any good? Santana is the first WR in the history of the NFL to run out of bound's instead of going head on with an big angry saftey, it's not like the Ram reciever's aren't taught to do that very thing better to run and duck to live and play another day, these reciever's no when they have to get an extra yard, and when they don't, apparently King missed Moss's punt return in the playoff's which should have put the Jet's in the championship game I didn't see him run out of bound's on that one oh and by the way Cole's was home watching with his suspect toe, we all know Patten isn't a star but for the price, speed, experience, and attitude he bring's it was an excellent signing. Santana may not be Randy but he can be an outstanding player for us, but until we go out and prove otherwise everyone is going to knock us, NOBODY LIKES SNYDER!

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Patten was second on the Pats in receptions, led the team in YPC, and led the team in TD receptions...how does that make him the fourth receiver? Maybe on paper on the depth chart he was, but production wise he certainly wasn't

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Coles wanted out; they moved him and got something in return. Not an optimal situation, obviously--in the best case, Coles WANTS to be here--but given Coles wanted out and Gibbs wants dedicated skins, it's the best we could do. The cap hit hurts right now, but it hits all at once, so we're done with it (or so I believe).

As for Moss, yeah, I think Coles--a happy and healthy Coles, that is--is better. But Moss isn't chopped liver and Coles wasn't healthy or happy. Patten is cheap and tough, and he's by all accounts a hard working guy. We didn't overpay for a questionable talent like Burress, and our good friend Peter King thinks we blew it? You know damn well that if we'd spent the big bucks, he'd be writng about Snyder and Deion, etc, etc. F*** him and that fat POS Pastabelly.

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Man, I hate Peter King. It's like a religion. I've devoted my life to hating Peter King.

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Offiss, lets not forget about another WR that tends to "run away from contact". Uhh Marvin Harrison anyone?

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Like anybody expected King to praise the Skins??? Yeah right...
We'll see what happens on the field, then make judgement. Maybe Gibbs is using the Patriots as a model, with no true #1 receiver. Not a bad team to imitate...

Hey, at least we aren't "winning" the offseason for a change!

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No matter what off-season moves we make - whether we let someone go, bring someone in, low-ball, over-pay, or do nothing - all of it will be questioned and dumped on by the talking heads UNTIL we win games. Few complimented us on the signing of Washington or Griffin or, after the season, stated what good pick-ups they were.

As Curmudgeon has pointed out, Snyder & Co. have screwed up more than a few times (effectively bidding against themselves for Samuels comes to mind). Unless and until the Skins put more games in the win column on a regular basis, expect us to be the talking heads whipping boy. And while I disagree with King, if he is shown to be wrong, he has, in the past, been man enough to admit it.

Let's not get started on Dr. Z....

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]And while I disagree with King, if he is shown to be wrong, he has, in the past, been man enough to admit it.

Let's not get started on Dr. Z....[/QUOTE]

True, I think most of us recall the firestorm that King's comments about Sean Taylor being unhappy that he was on the Redskins caused here at the Warpath last summer...only to have him retract his statement the following week

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i dont know what happend with Dr.Z, but i wont even ask....lol

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I'd be interested in seeing what his opinion is on teams like the Raiders and Titans, two teams who are biting the bullet big-time cap-wise this offseason.

Are the Skins the only team that takes cap hits? Are the Skins the only team that restructures contracts?

I'm not saying his opinion isn't valid, he's just choosing to spin things in a negative way, which isn't much of a surprise I guess.

Same old ho-hum let's bash the Skins no matter what they do.

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yeah.. patten was the 4th reciever...thats bullshit, he started 11 games, he wasnt behind troy brown and hasnt been in 2 years. he ended up being #2 last season on a super bowl winning team. what a dumbass. perrineal disspointment moss? guess a 1100 yard year is a dissapointment, and man its so dissapointing when u only get 850 yards one year after that when ur QB got hurt. yeah...

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[url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/03/07/mmqb/1.html[/url]

I was just reading the rest of the article, of course he loves Pierce going to the Giants, but if we matched that deal I'd bet he would blast us for overpaying for a guy who had one good year.

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If Patten was the #4 WR he was one of the most productive #4's in NFL history, LOL

800 yards and 7 scores, damn I'll take that from my #4 anyday!

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He also said that he likes Trent Dilfer as a backup and Holcomb as a starter.

Umm....didn't Trent Dilfer win a Super Bowl? What has Holcomb done?

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[QUOTE=terps and skins]i dont know what happend with Dr.Z, but i wont even ask....lol[/QUOTE]

Nothing in particular, he's just an even more rabid anti-Skin than King (which is saying something). If we won 4 Superbowl's in a row and consistently had $10M in cap space, Z would simply say that competition in the league has been at a low point, we weren't really a dynasty b/c no good teams are around and, obviously, we are just running things on the cheap and getting lucky.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72][url]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/peter_king/03/07/mmqb/1.html[/url]

I was just reading the rest of the article, of course he loves Pierce going to the Giants, but if we matched that deal I'd bet he would blast us for overpaying for a guy who had one good year.[/QUOTE]
After reading the article, I'm wondering how he gets the taste of Bill Parcells out of his mouth.
"No team in the NFL but the Cowboys can say they've added four players who all have a chance to make the Pro Bowl." Bledsoe to the Pro Bowl? With those receivers?

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]After reading the article, I'm wondering how he gets the taste of Bill Parcells out of his mouth.
"No team in the NFL but the Cowboys can say they've added four players who all have a chance to make the Pro Bowl." Bledsoe to the Pro Bowl? With those receivers?[/QUOTE]

In fairness, he admits Bledso is a stretch. From what I have read elsewhere, Ferguson was a good pick-up. Henry? Pro-bowl? I'll believe it when I see it.

Undoubtedly, if it had been the Skins making these signings, we would be overpaying for unproven or overaged talent and been setting ourselves up for salary cap hell.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee]After reading the article, I'm wondering how he gets the taste of Bill Parcells out of his mouth.
"No team in the NFL but the Cowboys can say they've added four players who all have a chance to make the Pro Bowl." Bledsoe to the Pro Bowl? With those receivers?[/QUOTE]

LOL how about Jason Ferguson?! Dude's been in the league for 8 years now and hasn't made the Pro Bowl, his season high for tackles is 52, his season high for sacks is 4.5, yet somehow King thinks:

[quote]"Jason Ferguson should make at least one Pro Bowl while with the Cowboys."[/quote]

Really Peter, why?

How about this quote, tell me we don't get blasted for being the same way, yet somehow he's praising Dallas for it

[quote]What the Cowboys did, particularly with Ferguson and Rivera, shows how valuable a strong owner willing to spend available cap money and a coach with clout can be. [/quote]

LOL, whatever

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Emphasis added:
[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Undoubtedly, if it had been the Skins making these signings, we would be overpaying for unproven or [b]overaged[/b] talent and been setting ourselves up for salary cap hell.[/QUOTE]
Two of the four "superstars" he's praising have scrupuluously avoided Pro Bowl Status, Rivera has a history of leg injuries, and Bledsoe will be in his fourth offense in four years. They also average over 30 years of age, which makes the long term investment in them... puzzling.

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"Other than Peyton Manning, no NFL player will make as much cash in 2004"

?? Looking at my calendar it says we're already in 2005. I'm guessing this was a typo

What bothered me most about that column was finding out that one of my fave former Redskins, Todd Bowles, is now the Cowboys secondary coach.

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[QUOTE=smootsmack]"What bothered me most about that column was finding out that one of my fave former Redskins, Todd Bowles, is now the Cowboys secondary coach.[/QUOTE]

I agree completely.

Todd Bowles is now dead to me.

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On Patten, I can only point to his very own words at his press conference:

He was asked if he expected to see more passes come his way after spending the last four seasons in a New England Patriots passing offense that seemed to spread the ball around.

"It's not about me--it's not about one individual," Patten replied. "In New England, we all wanted to catch 10 balls a game, but it made us a better team and a better offense when a defense had to come in and prepare for all of us.

"You'll have to excuse me...I'm a little sensitive about that topic because I feel that [the New England wide receivers corps] didn't get the respect I believe we deserved. We were a very hard-working receiver corps and we felt like we could put our talent up against anyone. We felt like we had four No. 1 receivers--but we always put the team before any personal goals."

THAT's the kind of player we want, PUT THE TEAM BEFORE PERSONAL GOALS. I'm fully confident that Patten could have put up some sick numbers if he was a focal point of the offense, but the Pats spread the ball around. If Peter King wants to suggest that we're better off with a selfish prick like Coles instead of a team player like Patten, he can lick my baloon knot.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]On Patten, I can only point to his very own words at his press conference:

He was asked if he expected to see more passes come his way after spending the last four seasons in a New England Patriots passing offense that seemed to spread the ball around.

"It's not about me--it's not about one individual," Patten replied. "In New England, we all wanted to catch 10 balls a game, but it made us a better team and a better offense when a defense had to come in and prepare for all of us.

"You'll have to excuse me...I'm a little sensitive about that topic because I feel that [the New England wide receivers corps] didn't get the respect I believe we deserved. We were a very hard-working receiver corps and we felt like we could put our talent up against anyone. We felt like we had four No. 1 receivers--but we always put the team before any personal goals."

THAT's the kind of player we want, PUT THE TEAM BEFORE PERSONAL GOALS. I'm fully confident that Patten could have put up some sick numbers if he was a focal point of the offense, but the Pats spread the ball around. If Peter King wants to suggest that we're better off with a selfish prick like Coles instead of a team player like Patten, he can lick my baloon knot.[/QUOTE]

Well put Scheed. Good post.

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I am no King fan much like everyone else here, but I tend to agree with him here. Our WR corp for next year the way it looks is shaky to say the least. Patten is an average player and Moss has been a dissapointment his whole career. I just hope that we add a WR in the draft who can be a legitimate #1 then these guys will look a little better when asked to be a #2 or #3 WR.

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OK, you guys know how Peter King is always talkin about his daughters in his columns and how they're always playing softball and crap? Well we have to make it our collective mission here at the Warpath for some of us, one of us, any of us; to find out where Mary Beth King goes to college, pay a visit, get her loaded, hook up with her, and then write in to Peter telling him all about our tale of conquest.

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YEAH...Peter King is SENILE. Don't buy into his rhetoric.

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If our O-Line does a better job this year and Ramsey's comfortable we should be fine with these receivers.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]OK, you guys know how Peter King is always talkin about his daughters in his columns and how they're always playing softball and crap? Well we have to make it our collective mission here at the Warpath for some of us, one of us, any of us; to find out where Mary Beth King goes to college, pay a visit, get her loaded, hook up with her, and then write in to Peter telling him all about our tale of conquest.[/QUOTE]


If I can see a picture of her first...then I'll take one for the team. Get me drunk enough, I'll do it. Even if she's half of Peter Kings weight.

Maybe I can get her loaded enough to make her get a Redskins tatoo. :party-smi

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Is the s#!t about to hit the fan(s)? :oink:

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Peter King makes no sense. On one side of his neck he is advocating that every team mimic the Patriots and their team first attitude and salary structure, yet out of the other side he lambasts us for picking up a wideout who's been part of that team structure and for trading a malcontent?

I love it, instead of having two front line guys who underperformed let's go with a bunch of guys who will give great effort. Let's not forget, Jacobs is entering his third year and that is normally the year that wideouts tend to emerge. On paper (and on our cap) we will be taking a huge blow, but I see this move as a positive because we get a bona fide playmaker, and get rid of a potential malcontent. I don't see any superstars on the Patriots, or a #1 receiver yet they seem to have a lot of success throwing the ball up there. I think our wideouts and team will be better by avoiding having a potential locker room cancer.

Instead of Washington Jets, perhaps Washington Canes is becoming more apropos. Any chance of us getting Antrel Rolle?

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]LOL how about Jason Ferguson?! Dude's been in the league for 8 years now and hasn't made the Pro Bowl, his season high for tackles is 52, his season high for sacks is 4.5, yet somehow King thinks:



Really Peter, why?

How about this quote, tell me we don't get blasted for being the same way, yet somehow he's praising Dallas for it



LOL, whatever[/QUOTE]


Great job with that Matty, although he forgot to mention Bledsoe's problem in new england and his exile to buffalo was Patten, if he had a better #4 reciever he would be winning super bowls and not Brady, he hasen't figured out that Bledsoe is an overated, overhyped, MEATHEAD! Dead from the neck up.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10]OK, you guys know how Peter King is always talkin about his daughters in his columns and how they're always playing softball and crap? Well we have to make it our collective mission here at the Warpath for some of us, one of us, any of us; to find out where Mary Beth King goes to college, pay a visit, get her loaded, hook up with her, and then write in to Peter telling him all about our tale of conquest.[/QUOTE]

LOL - Well, just so you know, she's a freshman at Colgate and is on the Equestrian team.

From his February 21st column -

"Colgate Equestrian Note of the Week: Big moment Saturday. My first horse show of all time. The Zone II Region 3 Intercollegiate Horse Show at Skidmore College hard by the famed racecourse in Saratoga Springs (summer home of Bill Parcells and Texans owner Bob McNair), with 11 upstate New York colleges -- Colgate, Hamilton, Siena, Skidmore, etc. -- competing. Colgate frosh Mary Beth King's first horse show of all time."

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I think what Redskins_P would like to know is does she ride Side Saddle or Bareback?

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[QUOTE=smootsmack]I think what Redskins_P would like to know is does she ride Side Saddle or Bareback?[/QUOTE]

:lol: Well done, SS!

Colgate you say? ROAD TRIP!

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Smootsmack, I don't know about Mary Beth, but Redskins_P prefers going bareback...if you catch my drift.

Schneed you driving? Smootsmack, you get the booze.