New helmet contact rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

The NFL does not want running backs to lower their heads anymore when initiating contact with a defender.
They are totally castrating the running game.
WTF!?

[url=http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2013/03/14/emmitt-smith-says-new-safety-rule-means-nfl-has-lost-its-mind/]Emmitt Smith Says New Safety Rule Means NFL Has “Lost Its Mind” « CBS Dallas / Fort Worth[/url]

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

Well it makes no sense that it be illegal for defenders to to do it but not offensive players so there...

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=FRPLG;998815]Well it makes no sense that it be illegal for defenders to to do it but not offensive players so there...[/quote]

This. I really don't have an issue with both players doing it. However, I would see RBs put their head down and hit a defender. If the defender delivered that same hit, massive penalty.

Now, this is also only outside the tackle box, correct?

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

Make an attempt at wrapping up mandatory so players will actually have to learn how to tackle instead of just throwing their shoulder. I realistically believe that is the only thing you can do. It forces defenders to use form which prevents concussion and is extremely easy to spot when a player does not wrap vs. when they do. If a player just does not wrap and just throws their body/shoulder automatic penalty. Rugby has this rule and that is why concussions are not as frequent in professional rugby as they are in the NFL.
If you do not want to do that leave the rules alone. Too much gray area. Have an absolute line or no line at all. You cannot make small changes every year to hitting, it confuses the players, confuses the fans, even confuses the refs at times. Plus we all know its just so the NFL looks like it cares. Make it easy, or don't have any rules in regards to hitting.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=donofriose;998832]Make an attempt at wrapping up mandatory so players will actually have to learn how to tackle instead of just throwing their shoulder. I realistically believe that is the only thing you can do. It forces defenders to use form which prevents concussion and is extremely easy to spot when a player does not wrap vs. when they do. If a player just does not wrap and just throws their body/shoulder automatic penalty. Rugby has this rule and that is why concussions are not as frequent in professional rugby as they are in the NFL.
If you do not want to do that leave the rules alone. Too much gray area. Have an absolute line or no line at all. You cannot make small changes every year to hitting, it confuses the players, confuses the fans, even confuses the refs at times. Plus we all know its just so the NFL looks like it cares. Make it easy, or don't have any rules in regards to hitting.[/quote]

Rugby players also do not ware helmets, and still fewer concussions. must be the rules.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

This will totally nueter the running game.
Picture a back hitting an open hole.
He sees daylight and turns on the burners, just as hes getting up to speed a linebacker and a safety block his path.
Knowing that he cannot lower his head and plow for a few more yards he slows down and turns his shoulder to the defenders and they knoock him backwards.
What would have been a 12 yard gain is now a 7 yard gain.
They may as well be taught to slide.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

The sky is falling...

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

Hard to imagine this rule actually passing.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

This is to far, might as well just put flags on these guys.

Emmitt is right on this one, no way should that rule happen

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

Would this rule involve just running backs or any player running the ball? I'm with everyone else; this is a crazy rule.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

The rule proposed to ban leading with the crown of the helmet. Not banning the lowering of the shoulder

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;998841]This is to far, might as well just put flags on these guys.[/quote]

my understanding is the new rule requires flags, then when the ball carrier is about to run past an opposing player, he has to stop, ask if he may pass, then the defender has to ask if he can grab the flag. After 2 out of 3 rock paper scissor spock rounds, the winner carries on. Personally I think this will lengthen the games excessively.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;998851]my understanding is the new rule requires flags, then when the ball carrier is about to run past an opposing player, he has to stop, ask if he may pass, then the defender has to ask if he can grab the flag. After 2 out of 3 rock paper scissor spock rounds, the winner carries on. Personally I think this will lengthen the games excessively.[/quote]

I have a different understanding... instead of a football there will be a balloon, players will be outfitted with bras and tinfoil hats, and there will be no more tackling, instead they will give hugs and compliments to each other. I already started a marketing tool of gooey happiness that lives within all men that will improve your game. I am going to market it as a sports drink.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

There goes Alfred Morris' effectiveness...he runs everyone over.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=FRPLG;998847]The rule proposed to ban leading with the crown of the helmet. Not banning the lowering of the shoulder[/quote]

I've got no problem with that.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

Maybe we should have Taylor Swift play all the safety and linebacker positions and she could proclaim that you wil never ever ever hit me with your helmet.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=Mattyk;998861]I've got no problem with that.[/quote]

Good luck enforcing that consistently.
When you lower your shoulder your head lowers at the same time unless you have a neck like Jim Carrey.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

Jeff Fisher seems to think it is reasonable:

“The ballcarrier is still going to be permitted to lower his shoulder, and the head is also going to come down to protect the football,” Fisher said. “We’re not taking that part of the run out of the game. What we’re saying is, in space, one-on-one, head-up, we’re not going to allow you to load up and use the crown of your helmet. It’s an obvious thing.”

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=Mattyk;998837]Hard to imagine this rule actually passing.[/quote]

I agree with you.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=Alvin Walton;998865]Good luck enforcing that consistently.
When you lower your shoulder your head lowers at the same time unless you have a neck like Jim Carrey.[/quote]

You can lower your shoulder and still keep your head up and away from the contact as much as possible.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

The people on the competition committee, including that idiot John Mara, are all for this rule. It's utterly ridiculous. It has some legs to it and I think it has a chance of passing. 24/32 owners have to approve it and they want to eliminate all the concussions out of a violent sport. It's just so stupid.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=FRPLG;998875]Jeff Fisher seems to think it is reasonable:

“The ballcarrier is still going to be permitted to lower his shoulder, and the head is also going to come down to protect the football,” Fisher said. “We’re not taking that part of the run out of the game. What we’re saying is, in space, one-on-one, head-up, we’re not going to allow you to load up and use the crown of your helmet. It’s an obvious thing.”[/quote]

When it's explained like that it makes sense. They're not taking out lowering of the shoulder. Just can't use the helmet.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=FRPLG;998847]The rule proposed to ban leading with the crown of the helmet. Not banning the lowering of the shoulder[/quote]

But how do you lower your shoulder w/out lowering your head?? ... going at full speed with a 250lbs LB trying to tackle you?

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

What happens if they flag it on a goal line run? I know what the intent is, but refs still would be determining what they consider to be space?

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

So if a RB is out in the open, and he's going for the sideline and he wants to lower his head to get a few extra yards, or get a first down, he can't do it, and will get a PF. That's just not football to me.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;998904]So if a RB is out in the open, and he's going for the sideline and he wants to lower his head to get a few extra yards, or get a first down, he can't do it, and will get a PF. That's just not football to me.[/QUOTE]

That's a joke. I'm telling you That's NFL better watch what they r doing.. nobody thought baseball would fall off the planet and now look. Nobody even cares about MLB anymore unless u live in NY or BOS / STLpretty much.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=Evilgrin;998903]What happens if they flag it on a goal line run? I know what the intent is, but refs still would be determining what they consider to be space?[/quote]

Doesn't apply in the tackle box.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;998904]So if a RB is out in the open, and he's going for the sideline and he wants to lower his head to get a few extra yards, or get a first down, he can't do it, and will get a PF. That's just not football to me.[/quote]

No he can't turn himself into a missile and use his helmet as a battering ram. He may use his shoulder or torso or whatever...just not his helmet....just like defenders can't either. Never made sense to me that defenders would get flagged repeatedly for it when ball-carriers didn't.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;998909]That's a joke. I'm telling you That's NFL better watch what they r doing.. nobody thought baseball would fall off the planet and now look. Nobody even cares about MLB anymore unless u live in NY or BOS / STLpretty much.[/quote]

74.8 fans disagree. Attendance in 2012 was the 5th highest ever. Football is more popular...that doesn't mean baseball is less popular.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=FRPLG;998931]No he can't turn himself into a missile and use his helmet as a battering ram. He may use his shoulder or torso or whatever...just not his helmet....just like defenders can't either. Never made sense to me that defenders would get flagged repeatedly for it when ball-carriers didn't.[/quote]

Again, you can't do that w/out lowering your head.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

I'm guessing this is the type of play they want to get rid of

[IMG]http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/02/10/71/560718/3/628x471.jpg[/IMG]

It's possible to lower your shoulder while slightly turning your body in order to avoid your head being involved.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=Mattyk;998940]I'm guessing this is the type of play they want to get rid of

[IMG]http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/02/10/71/560718/3/628x471.jpg[/IMG]

It's possible to lower your shoulder while slightly turning your body in order to avoid your head being involved.[/quote]

No doubt those type of hits are dangerous.
In a one on one open field situation like in the picture I could see the rule being of some use but in traffic it will sap the game.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;998936]Again, you can't do that w/out lowering your head.[/quote]

As we can tell from Fisher's quote, the issue is not the lowering of the head. The issue is using the helmet as a weapon. My reading is that you can lower your head as long as you don't do so to create a weapon.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

The refs are going to have a real hard time w/ this. They can't even call the games now and throw enough flags as it is. As I said before, the league is trying to make a Hyena a house pet. It just can't be done.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=Mattyk;998940]I'm guessing this is the type of play they want to get rid of

[IMG]http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/02/10/71/560718/3/628x471.jpg[/IMG]

It's possible to lower your shoulder while slightly turning your body in order to avoid your head being involved.[/quote]

I'm not sure I see any RB's dip their heads to this level. This is flat out dangerous on Duane Thomas' part....and even more dangerous on the defender. Both heads should be up where the face masks can be seen. But even then, the helmets will still colide.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;998936]Again, you can't do that w/out lowering your head.[/quote]

Again...you're allowed to do so.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;998961]The refs are going to have a real hard time w/ this. They can't even call the games now and throw enough flags as it is. As I said before, the league is trying to make a Hyena a house pet. It just can't be done.[/quote]

I don't disagree with you here. The the constant increase in complexity to the rules has to make it harder on the officials to do their job in general.

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;998962]I'm not sure I see any RB's dip their heads to this level. This is flat out dangerous on Duane Thomas' part....and even more dangerous on the defender. Both heads should be up where the face masks can be seen. But even then, the helmets will still colide.[/quote]

LeSean McCoy of the Eagles in week 11 vs. Redskins last season got a bad concussion and missed 4 weeks when he lowered his head in a very similar move.

As soon as I saw this topic I thought about that play and wonder if it had anything to do with the creating of this rule. The LeSean McCoy Rule.
That was an ugly play and both players were lucky to not have a career ending injury.

[url=http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2012/11/18/3663066/lesean-mccoy-injury-eagles-rb-carted-off-after-concussion]LeSean McCoy injury: Eagles RB carted off after concussion - Bleeding Green Nation[/url]

Re: New helmet conatct rule/proposal...I agree with Emmit Smith.
 

[quote=skinsfan69;998961]The refs are going to have a real hard time w/ this. They can't even call the games now and throw enough flags as it is. As I said before, the league is trying to make a Hyena a house pet. It just can't be done.[/quote]

With FRPLG, I agree with you on this. Judging intent is always dicey and difficult.