Smoots Gone, What do we draft?
 

Hey Guys, I am watching NFL Total Access and this is this first that Ive heard that Smoot is gone and signing with the Vikings. So now My question is do we still draft a WR, or shift focus to a CB?

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...didn't think Smoot would do it. Especially for only $ .8 million more...

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[QUOTE=Winskins]...didn't think Smoot would do it. Especially for only $ .8 million more...[/QUOTE]


Damn... light one up for zackmills for it is a sad day :Smoker:

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Hell no...Ty Law is still out there wut the hell are we waiting for

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Can't believe he's gone. I loved yelling SSSSSMMMMMMOOOOOOOOTTTTT in the bar whenever he made a great play!!! So much for my Smoot jersey too!!
Don't know what they'll go for in the draft now. Garnell Wilds played great at the end of the season so he may take Smoots place. We're bringing in some new wideouts too but we really need some improvement on the O-line!!!
Damn Pierce and Smoot both gone, that sucks!!!!

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[QUOTE=wewhite3]Hell no...Ty Law is still out there wut the hell are we waiting for[/QUOTE]

We dont have the money to pay Ty Law, nor does he have the upside for a huge contract. We will either draft a corner or just go with what we have.

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The only good thing is that it is over, and we don't have to wait around anymore. I can't believe we didnt pay more to get him, but I guess this will allow us more cap freedom in the future.

I would really like to see the team add Andre Dyson. I think he is the type of guy who could replace Smoot fairly effectively, and do it at a cheaper price. I would like to see Harris remain at the nickel if at all possible.

I think this makes us much less likely to trade up in the draft. We don't really have that one pressing need (WR) anymore. We will probably sit at 9 and select the best player at either WR or CB who falls to us. It just makes me so angry that we made that Coles trade, we went about in very much the wrong way and it now may cost us in a big way. We desperately need a WR, but now we may not do what it takes to get one. Regardless of what that poll on the front page says, our WR corps is MUCH worse now than it was last year. Moss is worse than Coles and Patten is worse than Gardner. The fact that Gardner and Coles are both assholes who don't want to play for the Skins doesn't change the fact they are a very decent and very good WR respectively. We need a WR more desperately now than we ever did, and yet at this point I would be willing to bet that we settle for a CB like Rolle if it looks like Williams won't fall.

In other words, we are f*cked, big-time.

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draft either pacman jones/rolle or pick up one in the 3rd round. maybe andre dyson? hes young and fast. good too. former titan.

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We still need a WR more than a corner. Patton & Moss as starters...are you kidding me?

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If williams is there I say take him, if not I say take Rolle or Jones.

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hopefully we're looking at dyson now :(

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Not that it really matters, but the Redskins have a much better track record at picking CB's in the first round than WR's...but who knows? I think they'll pick the best player available out of those two positions, or trade down to get both before the 3rd round. Hell, I don't know......As much as I thought re-signing Pierce was more important, Smoot just seemed like a Redskin for life....this sucks.... :(

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711]Damn... light one up for zackmills for it is a sad day :Smoker:[/QUOTE]

:laughing2

Yeah it's the only way we can cope...............one for the zackman :Smoker:

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Sorry, but all this doom and gloom over Coles, Pierce and Smoot is simply keveching about spilled milk.

You know what? We are going to be fine. How fine? dunno. But none of the subtractions will hurt us in the long run.

Pierce? Good player, sorry to see him go. He played MLB, a position that simply is not generally thought of (unless your a Skins fan) as a big money position. He can be adequately replaced.

Coles? Hard worker, kept his trap shut but wanted out. Glad to oblige. Cap hit? Yup. but I have always favored the "pay now rather than later" when it comes to cap hits. Take it like a man and move on - Makes the 2006 cap situation that much easier. Again, Coles was not gonna be the difference between the playoffs and staying home.

Smoot? You wanted to be here, but you left for ~800K more than we had on the table? Your a good solid corner and will be fine w/ Winfield in Minnesota. But if your willing to leave a defense that made you look good and fans who adored you for just a little extra cash, hasta la vista baby - don't let the door hit you on the way out.

All of these players were good solid players. None were superstars or essential cogs and all are replaceable. The coaching staff believes they have the depth to have people step up. We'll see.

Who knows, maybe by not "winning" the offseason we have actually increased our chances of winning games.

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[QUOTE=Winskins]...didn't think Smoot would do it. Especially for only $ .8 million more...[/QUOTE]
Apparently they offered a lot more salary in the first 3 years than us. Probably made the difference.

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time for me to start my push for the next stud cane...And with the 9th pick in the draft the Washington Redskins select from the University of Miami....Antrel Rolle

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Winskins:

After I read that Smoot felt as if he and his agent had been disrespected in the negotiation process - whether they were or were not is immaterial - I knew that if any team came within about $1M of what the Skins offered in a signing bonus, he was gone. If he felt disrespected and then said it to someone in the press, then any situation where he came back here would be a blow to his ego. So, at that point, I figured he was gone in about 99% of the possible scenarios. The Vikes offered him a bit more $$$; I think he'd have gone there for a bit less $$$ than the Skins offered and claimed that it was some "bennie" in the out-years that compensated for the lower signing bonus.


Joe Redskin:

MLB is not a big money position? Ray Lewis? Brian Urlacher?Jeremiah Trotter (here in DC)? Takeo Spikes? When you have a good MLB (or ILB in a 3-4 set) it usually means you pay some significant money to keep them around.



This is supposed to be a very deep year for CBs and the Skins now need to draft one. Since it is a deep yeer for CBs, I'd hold off until the 2nd or 3red round to take a CB. But they do have to get one in the draft...

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I'd still go for a WR and look for a corner later on or a cheap veteran in free agency.

Last time I checked the defense did "ok" last year while the offense stunk it up.

It's time to get the offense some new guns.

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Apparently they offered a lot more salary in the first 3 years than us. Probably made the difference.[/QUOTE]

From the WP:

[quote]According to sources, Minnesota's contract offer was structured to pay Smoot an average salary of $6 million over the first three years -- which was significantly higher than Washington's offer.[/quote]

Ouch

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yea thats probably true, we give a huge signing bonus but little salary for the first three years. then we make you redo your deal or get cut.

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Looks like we might get another Cane. Gee do I smell a conspiracy brewing, we have a JV team in Miami called the Hurricanes. Here comes Rolle.

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For only .8 mil more i ask myself one question, did Smoot really want to stay in Washington? The answer i come up with is no...

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin]Sorry, but all this doom and gloom over Coles, Pierce and Smoot is simply keveching about spilled milk.

You know what? We are going to be fine. How fine? dunno. But none of the subtractions will hurt us in the long run.

Pierce? Good player, sorry to see him go. He played MLB, a position that simply is not generally thought of (unless your a Skins fan) as a big money position. He can be adequately replaced.

Coles? Hard worker, kept his trap shut but wanted out. Glad to oblige. Cap hit? Yup. but I have always favored the "pay now rather than later" when it comes to cap hits. Take it like a man and move on - Makes the 2006 cap situation that much easier. Again, Coles was not gonna be the difference between the playoffs and staying home.

Smoot? You wanted to be here, but you left for ~800K more than we had on the table? Your a good solid corner and will be fine w/ Winfield in Minnesota. But if your willing to leave a defense that made you look good and fans who adored you for just a little extra cash, hasta la vista baby - don't let the door hit you on the way out.

All of these players were good solid players. None were superstars or essential cogs and all are replaceable. The coaching staff believes they have the depth to have people step up. We'll see.

Who knows, maybe by not "winning" the offseason we have actually increased our chances of winning games.[/QUOTE]

THANK YOU.. I may have to make good on my plan to abandon the Warpath until draft time because I can't take this 'sky is falling because we lost Smoot and Pierce and Coles' BS much longer..

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[QUOTE=CRT3]Looks like we might get another Cane. Gee do I smell a conspiracy brewing, we have a JV team in Miami called the Hurricanes. Here comes Rolle.[/QUOTE]

haha, awesome. i hate to say this, but that JV team that we have in Miami would have probably kicked our ass over the last five years...

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We are not taking Rolle in this draft, we lose 1 player and immediatly we have to replace him with another, as Matty said our need is at WR, Smoot is NOT a great CB he's good, and you know what so is Harris, William's has given his aproval's of Wild's, we also have Rufus Brown out there and don't forget everyone's favorite Ade Jimoh, as well as possibly another CB later in the draft, we have right now what New England has, what Philli has, a defensive scheme that you can change personel and still maintain excellence. as bad as our offense was last year and as good as our defense was, like a bug to a floresent light guy's can't get away from bolstering an already top flight defense at the expense of our offense. If the coaching staff thought that we would have a glaring need at CB they would have signed Smoot, rather than let him walk just to draft another CB to pay him similar money? Simply put it ain't happening.

How did the eagles do last year after they let their starting CB's leave? They finally went to the SB, hard to believe considering they didn't go out and sign a big name free agent CB, infact they drafted a O-linemen with their first pick. The pat's seem to do OK with turnover in their secondary every year, let's focus on our weakness's rather than bolstering our strength's.

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[QUOTE=sportscurmudgeon]MLB is not a big money position? Ray Lewis? Brian Urlacher?Jeremiah Trotter (here in DC)? Takeo Spikes? When you have a good MLB (or ILB in a 3-4 set) it usually means you pay some significant money to keep them around.[/QUOTE]

Yes, some teams pay a lot for ILB's. But your statement that you must "pay significant money to keep them around" is applicable to any player (such as Lewis, Urlacher and Spikes) who are perceived as exceptionally talented, regardless of position. I don't (and never did) think Pierce fit into that category - he was a good solid MLB. And according to the franchise player salaries - the franchise tag salary of a MLB ranks 7th out of 11 categories. This says to me that the majority of teams treat LB's more along the "dime a dozen" category as opposed to a must have/need a star position. (The tag does not separate out into IlB v. OLB - if it did, I would expect MLB's to be the lower of the two as OLB's are often perceived as pass rushers - and make more money b/c of it).

Here is the breakdown of franchise salaries:
[url]http://www.askthecommish.com/articles/page.asp?pid=5[/url]

Cornerback tops the list.

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Hey angryssg we draft a corner 1st rd and matt jones 2nd rd.

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So far, I'm all for taking a WR in the draft and worry about more depth at CB later on. Develop Wilds, Brown and take a rookie in the later rounds.

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[quote=celts32;70050]We still need a WR more than a corner. [B]Patton & Moss as starters...are you kidding me[/B]?[/quote]

Wow! Pulling up old stuff is fun.

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But only confuses people and creates a thread that means nothing.... Where are the post cops when you need them?

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scared the f... out of me. THought he got hurt or something. Reacted before the draft part

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What ever happened to SkinsnCanes

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[QUOTE=hesscl34;329098]But only confuses people and creates a thread that means nothing.... Where are the post cops when you need them?[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Locking this