Thread Series: The case for/against Tyrann Mathieu
 

It is very slow this offseason. This is a discussion series leading up to the draft to talk about prospects that the skins are considering. Make the case for or against them. Judge if this player should be in the B&G come training camp.

The first player is Tyrann Mathieu. Much like D.Hall, he is a player that people love or hate. That should make a good discussion.

Ht: 5'9"
Wt: 186lbs
40: 4.50 secs
Vert: 34inches
Broad Jump:117 inches

Write up from NFL.com:

The New Orleans area native grew up living with his grandparents and then his aunt and uncle (who adopted him), as his mother was often absent and his father has been in jail throughout most of Mathieu’s life for robbery and then murder. His family was also uprooted due to Hurricane Katrina in 2005. Despite that rough beginning, he excelled enough in high school to get a scholarship offer from LSU, who overlooked his lack of size -– unlike many other regretful major programs.

He was dismissed from the Tigers in August 2012 for multiple violations of team rules, however, and is now working through treatment for substance abuse in Houston while being mentored by former NBA player and drug rehab guru John Lucas. He did not play football in the 2012 season.

Pros:
2011 Bednarik Award winner
First-team All-SEC
Consensus All-American honors
Finalist for the Heisman Trophy

Tyrann is a true playmaker who will not wow you in shorts & and a T-Shirt but will always seem to be around the ball, making plays on the field. He will most likely be a third round pick. Will you take him at tjhat point? Discuss pro's and cons.

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I wouldn't use a 3rd rounder on a slot corner. 5th rd or later.

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awesome idea being that the draft is where we are going to find our impact players this offseason.

My biggest problem against is where is his position...SS or CB? Does he have the skill set to play either at a high level.

I know where he CANT play and that is boundry corner on the outside, he simply does not have the coverage skills or the speed to a certain extent.

Im gonna say his best fit is going to be Nickle corner, close to the line for him to make plays, blitz, and run support. Do you spend a 3rd round pick on a nickle corner?

Probably not, BUT the fact we need safety help too, I think ideally I would pass on him in the 3rd but move up early in the 4th round to grab him, trading one of our 5th. This being predicated he's not gone. I believe he is taken late 3rd round.

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He won't be around in the 5th. I might take a chance on him because if I could see at time in the FS role as well as the slot corner roll. He has made plays at the highest level of college sports.

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The Skins are relying on too many potheads already but, the team should consider the risk/reward in after the third round.

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is this honey badger guy?

I think he goes in the 3-4 round so yes I would take him. Guy is a baller

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If he was there in the 4th, I'd take him. He's got too many risks for me to use a third or higher on him. 4th round pick is pretty low risk/high reward for me.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCBCUS73Z8]Tyrann Mathieu LSU Sophomore Year Highlight [2011] - YouTube[/url]

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I'd take him in the 3rd, because I was reading in a couple of my draft magazines that he also played a lot of FS in college. So you have a guy who can play, FS,SS, CB/NB, PR and KR. So I basically get 5 positions out of one player. Yeah I'd give up a 3rd for him at the highest.

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[url=http://httr24-7.com/draft/debunking-the-myth-that-is-the-honey-badger-why-tyrann-mathieu-wont-work-for-the-redskins/]"Debunking the Myth that is the Honey Badger" -Why Tyrann Mathieu Won't Work for the Redskins[/url]

One persons opinion

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Mathieu just seems like a football player to me. I don't care about his numbers at the Under Armour Olympics. When he's on a football field, he always seems to be making plays, both on defense and teams. If he's still on the board in the 3rd round, then we have to seriously think about taking him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1000495]awesome idea being that the draft is where we are going to find our impact players this offseason.

My biggest problem against is where is his position...SS or CB? Does he have the skill set to play either at a high level.

I know where he CANT play and that is boundry corner on the outside, he simply does not have the coverage skills or the speed to a certain extent.

[B]Im gonna say his best fit is going to be Nickle corner, close to the line for him to make plays, blitz, and run support. Do you spend a 3rd round pick on a nickle corner?[/B]

Probably not, BUT the fact we need safety help too, I think ideally I would pass on him in the 3rd but move up early in the 4th round to grab him, trading one of our 5th. This being predicated he's not gone. I believe he is taken late 3rd round.[/quote]

Nickel corners are just like starters in today's NFL. I think when you add in the fact that he's a great teams player you have to take him. We could fill two needs with that pick.

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[quote=RGIII;1000501]The Skins are relying on too many potheads already but, the team should consider the risk/reward in after the third round.[/quote]

The guy smoked some weed in college. So what. The reward far outweighs the risk.

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[quote=mredskins;1000508][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKCBCUS73Z8"]Tyrann Mathieu LSU Sophomore Year Highlight [2011] - YouTube[/URL][/quote]

You simply can't teach the skills that Mathieu has. He almost reminds me of a smaller #21. The guy looks like he was born to play football. I'd love to see this kid in burgundy and gold and become a star.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1000512][URL="http://httr24-7.com/draft/debunking-the-myth-that-is-the-honey-badger-why-tyrann-mathieu-wont-work-for-the-redskins/"]"Debunking the Myth that is the Honey Badger" -Why Tyrann Mathieu Won't Work for the Redskins[/URL]

One persons opinion[/quote]

So this person thinks that because Mathieu couldn't bench press at the combine means he can't cover bigger NFL wr's. To me that's laughable and that tells me his football IQ is low.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1000526]Nickel corners are just like starters in today's NFL. I think when you add in the fact that he's a great teams player you have to take him. We could fill two needs with that pick.[/quote]

good points. Kick returner is a huge need

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[quote=skinsfan69;1000535]So this person thinks that because Mathieu couldn't bench press at the combine means he can't cover bigger NFL wr's. To me that's laughable and that tells me his football IQ is low.[/quote]

I agree.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1000535]So this person thinks that because Mathieu couldn't bench press at the combine means he can't cover bigger NFL wr's. To me that's laughable and that tells me his football IQ is low.[/quote]

I think you misunderstood him.

His quote:

[I]Tyrann Mathieu is undersized as a defensive back at only 5’9 and 186 lbs. His film, and his poor showing at the combine in strength testing showed his inability to match large receivers in their physicality. [/I]

Sounds like he is saying his size and strength are question marks.

[I]In 2011, Tennessee Tech’s[B] Da’Rick Rogers[/B] (6’2, 217lb) basically carried Mathieu fifteen yards on his back following initial contact, and only went down when[B] Brandon Taylor[/B] saved the day with the assist. [/I]

At 5'9" and 186 LBS guy sounds like Brandon Banks honestly.

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But to be fair D. Green was 5-9 184 lbs and he did pretty good for himself.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1000535]So this person thinks that because Mathieu couldn't bench press at the combine means he can't cover bigger NFL wr's. To me that's laughable and that tells me his football IQ is low.[/quote]

Excellent ad hominem attack.. I'm glad the one sentence bench press reference is the only thing you took away from my article

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[quote=Tyler Dahnke;1000541]Excellent ad hominem attack.. I'm glad the one sentence bench press reference is the only thing you took away from my article[/quote]

So now HTTR24-7 is on the warpath. Interesting.


Well welcome.

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touchy on an opinion web-article arent we?

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His size concerns me as well. The guy is a flea at 5'9 186. He would be a joke at safety. Concerns about his lack of strength are legit too when you're talking about having to jam WRs.

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I'd like to see the Skins get bigger guys in the secondary. If we draft Mathieu, it wouldn't be the end of the world, though I'd prefer to use a 4th or lower on him.

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[quote=Chico23231;1000543]touchy on an opinion web-article arent we?[/quote]
I don't know whom you are speaking to directly but if you say someone has a low NFL/football IQ I would take that as a personal attack.

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[quote=mredskins;1000539]But to be fair D. Green was 5-9 184 lbs and he did pretty good for himself.[/quote]

I agree but how much bigger are the WR's in todays game?

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[quote=mredskins;1000539]But to be fair D. Green was 5-9 184 lbs and he did pretty good for himself.[/quote]

I am curious though if there were many 6'-2"+/220+ lbs receivers in D. Green's day.

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[quote=mredskins;1000546]I don't know whom you are speaking to directly but if you say someone has a low NFL/football IQ I would take that as a personal attack.[/quote]

or probably just an opinion, much like the article. Sorry if I expect a little more to back up that opinion than a stomp my feet and say hey i can see what you write.

When it comes to football opinions, it shouldnt be taken personal.

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[quote=mredskins;1000546]I don't know whom you are speaking to directly but if you say someone has a low NFL/football IQ I would take that as a personal attack.[/quote]

Yeah no need for that. I thought the article raised some valid points.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1000549]I am curious though if there were many 6'-2"+/220+ lbs receivers in D. Green's day.[/quote]


Micheal Irvin? 6-2 207. Played him twice a year for many years.

Not everyone is Megatron which is why Megatron is Megatron. Really no one matches up good against him.

Still I think Matthieu size is going to be his downfall in today's NFL.

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I wouldn't be surprised if TM ends up just being a return man in the NFL and maybe a dime corner at best. I dunno, I'm just not overly impressed with the guy.

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If you look at his highlight film from the first page of this thread not many of those HL are him dropping back in coverage. He is a ball hawk but I don't think guys trun the ball over near as much in the NFL.

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[quote=mredskins;1000538]I think you misunderstood him.

His quote:

[I]Tyrann Mathieu is undersized as a defensive back at only 5’9 and 186 lbs. His film, and his poor showing at the combine in strength testing showed his inability to match large receivers in their physicality. [/I]

Sounds like he is saying his size and strength are question marks.

[I]In 2011, Tennessee Tech’s[B] Da’Rick Rogers[/B] (6’2, 217lb) basically carried Mathieu fifteen yards on his back following initial contact, and only went down when[B] Brandon Taylor[/B] saved the day with the assist. [/I]

At [B]5'9" and 186 LBS guy sounds like Brandon Banks honestly[/B].[/quote]

Tim Jennings was my first thought

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[quote=Mattyk;1000556]I wouldn't be surprised if TM ends up just being a return man in the NFL and maybe a dime corner at best. I dunno, I'm just not overly impressed with the guy.[/quote]

He very well could. I think he has the ability to be a defensive Devin Hester (as opposed to playing offense like what Hester does now). His return ability is unquestioned. Just YouTube tyrann mathieu Georgia and see how great of a returner he is.

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We talk about Tyrann's size like the skins aren't currently bringing in a 5'9" 180 Antoine Winfield in to visit. SMH, Not every corner is going to be the size of Richard Sherman, nor do they have to be.

Josh Wilson is the same height as Mathieu and only 2 pounds heavier. It not the size of the dog in the NFL, but the fight in the dog and Tyrann has alot of fight.

Also I wouldn't base bringing him in off the fact that a WR carried him into theendzone on one play. That is one great play by Da’Rick Rogers. If we thought like that Laron Landry wouldn't be an enforcer as a safety because he got ran over by Brandon Jacobs once. The cornerback position is about instincts more than any other position on the field. That is why i would not hessitate in getting him in the third on draft day.


We don't face Megatron every sunday, we may not face him every 2-4 years, so if ur looking for a megatron beater, that is silly.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1000566]We talk about Tyrann's size like the skins aren't currently bringing in a 5'9" 180 Antoine Winfield in to visit. SMH, Not every corner is going to be the size of Richard Sherman, nor do they have to be.

Josh Wilson is the same height as Mathieu and only 2 pounds heavier. It not the size of the dog in the NFL, but the fight in the dog and Tyrann has alot of fight.

Also I wouldn't based him being undersized off the fact a WR carried him into the endzone on one play. That is one great play by Da’Rick Rogers. We don't face Megatron every sunday, we may not face him every 2-4 years, so if ur looking for a megatron beater, that is silly.[/quote]

Those are good points.

IMO his size, off field red flags and lack of college football experience makes him a no pick or a 5th through 7th round pick. There is better talent out there.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1000566]We talk about Tyrann's size like the skins aren't currently bringing in a 5'9" 180 Antoine Winfield in to visit. SMH, Not every corner is going to be the size of Richard Sherman, nor do they have to be.

Josh Wilson is the same height as Mathieu and only 2 pounds heavier. It not the size of the dog in the NFL, but the fight in the dog and Tyrann has alot of fight.

Also I wouldn't base bringing him in off the fact that a WR carried him into theendzone on one play. That is one great play by Da’Rick Rogers. If we thought like that Laron Landry wouldn't be an enforcer as a safety because he got ran over by Brandon Jacobs once. The cornerback position is about instincts more than any other position on the field. That is why i would not hessitate in getting him in the third on draft day.


We don't face Megatron every sunday, we may not face him every 2-4 years, so if ur looking for a megatron beater, that is silly.[/quote]

Very good points. As Daniel Jeremiah and Matt miller of nflnetwork and nfldraftscout said yesterday, a lot of prospects have a bad game. Manti against bama, Luke Joeckel against Florida, Eric fisher against ball state, Kenny vaccaro vs ok state. Calvin Johnson had a bad game against Georgia. All prospects have a bad game or below par game.

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[url=http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap1000000154237/article/tyrann-mathieu-is-a-secondround-talent-three-potential-nfl-fits?campaign=Twitter_writers_brooks]Tyrann Mathieu is a second-round talent; three potential NFL fits - NFL.com[/url]

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**** no. I'm absolutely tired of knuckle heads on this team. We have lead the league in suspensions and penalties the past year or so. No more. Time to do better and this guy isn't it.