Draft wrap-up 2013
 

Let's talk about the draft results here and give out your initial grade

Round 2, Pick 19 (51) [URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/david-amerson?id=2540170"]CB David Amerson[/URL]

Round 3, Pick 23 (85) [URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/jordan-reed?id=2540160"]TE Jordan Reed[/URL]

Round 4, Pick 22 (119) [URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/phillip-thomas?id=2539667"]SS Phillip Thomas[/URL]

Round 5, Pick 21 (154) [URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/chris-thompson?id=2540011"]RB Chris Thompson[/URL]

Round 5, Pick 29 (162) [URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/brandon-jenkins?id=2539226"]DE Brandon Jenkins [/URL]

Round 6, Pick 23 (191) [URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/bacarri-rambo?id=2539234"]SS Bacarri Rambo[/URL]

Round 7, Pick 22 (228) [URL="http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/jawan-jamison?id=2540167"]RB Jawan Jamison[/URL]

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I'd give this draft an A-

We addressed pretty much all the important positions of need in S and CB. Sure we didn't get an OT, but there's 4 guys we're going to have competing at RT. Sure we didn't get a WR, but to the same token, we did just get a TE thats basically a WR.

This draft we just had is literally the Boom or Bust draft. David Amerson has shown his Boom and his Bust potential. Jordan Reed can catch great, but can't block. Will he get the coaching he needs to become a more complete TE or fizzle out. Phillip Thomas was an all american, but only excels in certain schemes. Will he fit our scheme or suck like many Redskin insiders and experts believe he will? Brandon Jenkins was a first round talent but got hurt and missed the rest of the year. Are we getting the first rounders or a 5th rounder? Chris Thompson showed flashes of Darren Sproles, but didn't play this year with a Torn ACL. Are we getting a different player or the same player? Bacarri Rambo was a great college player, but had troubles in parts of his game and off the field. Are we getting the headcase or the defensive stud? Jawan Jamison looks like another Shanahan back, but he is small and going against Royster and Helu. Will he beat them out (also Chris Thompson) and make this team or will he just be a wasted pick of another RB that wasn't needed.

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I think we made out pretty dag on good. Give it a B+. Safeties, CB, RBs...looks like a good balance. The wild card is Jordan Reed. Woulda liked a WR, but he may be able to fill a playmaking ability that WR coulda brought us. The Jordan Reed pick says Niles Paul and Fred Davis need to bring their A game to camp.

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B.

while we were a bit surprised at the first pick, at the end it looks like they really had a plan and stuck to it. I think they got better value as every round went by and did a good job of addressing needs/getting talent without needing to reach for guys.

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Amerson - incomplete - Not convinced thy wont move him to S
Reed - A -love love this pick
Thomas - C - not a great fit but he can play so maybe coaching will change that
Thompson - A - also really like...he supplants helu I am pretty sure
Jenkins - B - good value pick. The foot injury dropped him 3 rounds probably
Rambo - B - loved Rambo at this point in the draft. He has a good shot at starting soon
Jamison - A - a lot like Jenkins he slid due to injury concerns


I graded based on value not sheer ability.

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I feel like Thompson was a reach. Overall B=

With two picks in the 5th, you'd think the Skins had some leverage. Aboushi was selected 13 picks prior to Thompson. Bakhtiari 45 picks prior to (there was a run on OTs in the 4th). I know it's complicated to say what would've happened barring a trade but, I think a quality backup is needed at LT.

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[quote=That Guy;1006622]B.

while we were a bit surprised at the first pick, at the end it looks like they really had a plan and stuck to it. I think they got better value as every round went by and did a good job of addressing needs/getting talent without needing to reach for guys.[/quote]

Wasn't surprised by the pick but, I was irritated that certain players came off the board several picks just before the Skins turn was up. Maybe fans of every team felt that way at some point.

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I feel like both RB are complete injury prone players. Add that with Helu and we probably need to add more medical staff to the team. Brandon Jenkins is another one coming off a bad injury.

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c grade

2 rbs and not 1 o-lineman (not 1 d-lineman either assuming jenkins is now a lb)

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[quote=los panda;1006638]c grade

2 rbs and not[B] 1 o-lineman [/B](not 1 d-lineman either assuming jenkins is now a lb)[/quote]

Were we not the number one rushing team in the league? How many games did our starting OL miss with injury?

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I give our draft an A. I would have liked to see an inside linebacker and right tackle get picked, but you only get so many picks.

As FSU is my favorite college team I am a little biased by I love the Chris Thompson pick, he is awesome out of the backfield, is very shifty, and good in the open field. He will make a lot of plays for us. Jenkins is a good pass rusher, and with Orakpo having injuries recently and Jackson being suspended the 1st 4 games it will be good for depth.

Thomas, Amerson, and Rambo all look like awesome playmakers which we don't have a lot of in the secondary. If Merriweather comes back healthy we will have good depth at safety.

Reed will be another target for RGIII that should create some good mismatches. I am not too familiar with the RB for Rutgers, but if Shanny thinks he is good enough, then thats good enough for me.

Looking forward to seeing our defense next year with the draft picks, and guys coming back from injury.

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Love how the talking heads and prognosticators on TV are so sure about their ratings of everybody's draft. Would love to see NFL network's draft ratings for 2010, and point and laugh today.

I'm happy with us getting 3 secondary guys, other than that I have no clue who's gonna be hit or bust.

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Amerson- a true potential shutdown corner. It would surprise me if J. Wilson doesn't get bumped to nickle back and Amerson isn't starting opposite D. Dall by week 4.

Reed- Every scout compared him to Aaron Hernadez. The Redskins became even more explosive on offense.

Phillip Thomas- a great fit for the 3-4! He's already familiar with the schemes that Haslett likes to run. A true ball hawk that can cover and hit! A lot of people thinks he isn't good as your typical safety, and they only say that because he played in the Mountain West Conference.

Thompson- I like his running style. What he was at FSU was the same thing Reggie Bush was at USC. I think Helu might end up being traded for a low draft choice because of Thompson's upside.

Jenkins- It looks as if he'll be a reserve OLB for Kerrigan since Rob Jackson backs up Orakpo.

Rambo- the potential for off the field issues is the only thing that will stand in his way. I like this pick. Another hard hitting, ball hawking safety in addition to P. Thomas!

Jamison- He's a target out of the backfield and could sub for Alfred Morris at times. They should use him to run back kicks.

Overall Grade= B plus!

I like what our front office was able to do even without a first round draft choice.

ESPN's Scouts Inc Pick-By-Pick Evaluation
 

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]David Amerson - CB - NC State - Rd 2-19(51) - Grade 70:[/COLOR][/B]
[B][I]What he brings:[/I][/B] There is no question Amerson has everything you want in terms of size, length and top-end speed. He took a step back in 2012, though, after leading the nation in interceptions in 2011. The biggest concerns are his inability to quickly transition out of breaks and his struggles when turning to locate the ball. However, if you play to his strengths and put him in press-man coverage, he can be an asset.

[B][I]How he fits:[/I][/B] This secondary really struggled in pass defense last season, and it was really exposed by quarterbacks who attacked vertically. Washington has one player that it can count on somewhat, DeAngelo Hall, but his play is starting to slip. The other corners, Josh Wilson, Richard Crawford and E.J. Biggers, are just average players competing for the No. 2 position. This group is really exposed when it has to go to sub packages against multi-receiver sets. Defensive coordinator Jim Haslett likes to play press schemes, which fits the skill set of Amerson, but he's not a turn-and-run vertical cover player.

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Jordan Reed - TE - Florida - Rd 3-23(85) - Grade 69:[/COLOR][/B]
[B][I]What he brings:[/I][/B] Reed lacks ideal size to be a traditional Y tight end, and won't provide much as a blocker. However, he has a natural feel as a route-runner and pass catcher to move around formations to create mismatches. Reed doesn't have elite speed, but he sets up his breaks well and shows above-average body control and hands catching the ball. In addition, he is shifty after the catch and shows good vision in the open field to pick up yards.

[B][I]How he fits:[/I][/B] Although starter Fred Davis was coming off an Achilles injury, the Redskins made a good move re-signing him. Davis is a productive player in the passing game. However, his backup, Logan Paulsen, is more of a blocking tight end and doesn't give them much as a receiver in two-tight-end sets. Reed is strictly a move-type tight end who can flex in motion, which can open up this offense nicely when the Redskins want to play with two tight ends.

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Phillip Thomas - S - Fresno State - Rd 4-22(119) - Grade 72:[/COLOR][/B]
[B][I]What he brings:[/I][/B] Thomas was the leading tackler for Fresno State and brings a lot of versatility to the position. He has strong eyes in coverage and finds the ball quickly. Thomas brings good ball production to the table as well, and led the FBS with eight interceptions in 2012. The only knock on Thomas is that he lacks elite range and closing burst.

[B][I]How he fits:[/I][/B] This organization has been trying to fix the safety position for a long time without much success. It has been a revolving door of mediocre players. The Redskins secondary gives up too many big plays between the hashes, and tight ends who can run vertical seam routes really expose starting safeties Brandon Meriweather and Reed Doughty. There do not appear to be backups who can develop into potential starters. That forces the coaches to use their linebackers more in coverage, which has a trickle-down effect. Thomas will have every chance in the world to be in the mix early as a potential starter.

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Chris Thompson - RB - Florida State - Rd 5-21(154) - Grade 30:[/COLOR][/B]
Thompson has a laundry list of of major injuries, including a season-ending back injury early in his career and a torn ACL this past fall. When healthy, Thompson reminded us of Warrick Dunn. Thompson appears to be gliding on the field, and has rare acceleration to hit the home run when finding the open field. He doesn't have exceptional lateral agility and power, but he is versatile and a big-play threat every time he touches the ball. Although RB doesn't look like a need here, his skill set is different enough from Alfred Morris' that it gives the Redskins' offense a lot more versatility.

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Brandon Jenkins - OLB - Florida State - Rd 5-29(162) - Grade 71:[/COLOR][/B]
Jenkins saw his senior year cut short due to a broken foot in the season opener. However, he provides upside as a pass-rusher off the edge. Jenkins shows good first-step quickness and flashes a wide variety of pass-rush moves. He can learn to play with better leverage when setting the edge, however. The return of starters Ryan Kerrigan and Brian Orakpo, and the addition of free agent Darryl Tapp, should give this position production and depth, allowing Jenkins some time to develop as another edge rusher.

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Bacarri Rambo - S - Georgia - Rd 6-23(191) - Grade 70:[/COLOR][/B]
Rambo likely dropped due to some minor off-field issues. He has some limitations in coverage, but he is instinctive and has a knack for finding and playing the ball. He also shows a quick close when filling in run support but could clean up his angles. Rambo brings good value at this point and adds immediate depth, and he can eventually develop into a starter down the road.

[B][COLOR="DarkRed"]Jawan Jamison - RB - Rutgers - Rd 7-22(228) - Grade 51:[/COLOR][/B]
Jamison has a low center of gravity and the lateral agility to get in and out of traffic near the line of scrimmage. We also like his finishing ability, and he will will lower his pads on contact. The big knocks on Jamison are his lack of top-end speed and some maturity issues that likely caused him to drop a little.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1006644]Were we not the number one rushing team in the league? How many games did our starting OL miss with injury?[/quote]that's why i scratched my head at 2 rbs drafted.

does jammal brown count?

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^Thanks Dirtbag59.^

I gave this draft a B, but I didn't see Phillip Thomas's name, or I would have given it an A.
Two great ballhawking DBs, a good pass rusher, another good target for RG3, yeeeesssss!

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That pretty much sums it up Dirt'.

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[quote=los panda;1006656]that's why i scratched my head at 2 rbs drafted.

does jammal brown count?[/quote]

Current O-Line

LT: T. Williams - T. Compton
LG: Kory L. - M. Hurt
C: W. Montgomery - J. LeRibeus
RG: C. Chester - A. Gettis
RT: T. Polumbus - J. Trueblood - T. Pashos

Also keep in mind we just signed OT Xavier Nixon out of Florida as an UDFA. Nixon graded out as a 4th round prospect for Scouts Inc.

My only real worry with the current offensive line is what we would do if Trent went down. Virtually every position has a solid starter and depth. However in regards to LT I feel like we have no real backups. Hopefully Compton develops this offseason and/or Nixon shows potential.

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[quote=los panda;1006656]that's why i scratched my head at 2 rbs drafted.

does jammal brown count?[/quote]

Outside of Morris, what did our DBs produce last year?

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I give us a C+.

Three picks in the secondary should result in at least one starter. Effort was made to fix our greatest weakness. Good stuff.

Really liked the Reed-Thompson picks. If just one of those pans out, then we have either our own Hernandez or our own Sproles. Good stuff.

Jenkins I really didn't get. I don't see any playing time for him other than as a situational pass rusher at best or special teams.

I don't see what Jamison brings to the table that we don't already have in Alfmo.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1006662]Current O-Line

LT: T. Williams - T. Compton
LG: Kory L. - M. Hurt
C: W. Montgomery - J. LeRibeus
RG: C. Chester - A. Gettis
RT: T. Polumbus - J. Trueblood - T. Pashos

Also keep in mind we just signed OT Xavier Nixon out of Florida as an UDFA. Nixon graded out as a 4th round prospect for Scouts Inc.

My only real worry with the current offensive line is what we would do if Trent went down. Virtually every position has a solid starter and depth. However in regards to LT I feel like we have no real backups. Hopefully Compton develops this offseason and/or Nixon shows potential.[/quote]

And Trent really "earned his money" playing through pain last year. I think the team is pretty much set. Start assigning jersey numbers!

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[quote=los panda;1006656]that's why i scratched my head at 2 rbs drafted.

does jammal brown count?[/quote]

With Morris and Griffin getting most of them. I will never doubt Shanny taking RB. We had no backup RB last year, this means Helu and Royster need to step up. We signed FA OL this offseason and drafted 3 OL last year, i am happy with the draft. We drafted secondary which was needed, a TE which was a need to IMO with Davis on one year deal and Paul with horrible hands.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1006662]Current O-Line

LT: T. Williams - T. Compton
LG: Kory L. - M. Hurt
C: W. Montgomery - J. LeRibeus
RG: C. Chester - A. Gettis
RT: T. Polumbus - J. Trueblood - T. Pashos

Also keep in mind we just signed OT Xavier Nixon out of Florida as an UDFA. Nixon graded out as a 4th round prospect for Scouts Inc.

My only real worry with the current offensive line is what we would do if Trent went down. Virtually every position has a solid starter and depth. However in regards to LT I feel like we have no real backups. Hopefully Compton develops this offseason and/or Nixon shows potential.[/quote]
Just about every teams only answer to an injury at LT is to shift their quality RT over and put in the scrub at RT. we don't have that luxury. In fact who is the swing tackle on the team right now?

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I graded it as a B.. I think we got 2 starters and 2 more 2013 contributors from the draft. Amerson and Thomas likely will be starting by October if not sooner. While neither is the perfect product, they can't be any worse than what we trotted out there last fall. Reed and Thompson bring a dynamic element to the offense that it lacked last season. We needed speed and big play ability and we got it in those two. Kyle can throw so many packages at a defense it will have their heads spinning.

The rest of the picks are good, let them develop and play on teams. Rambo is intriguing, if Jenkins gets onto the field in any sub packages it's a bonus.

Perhaps the best part of the draft for me was us going into the draft not needing a 'difference maker' to build around. In '10 we NEEDED Trent. In '11 we needed a compliment to Rak. In '12 we had to get a QB. This year we were able to let the draft come to us a little bit and not reach for people. Especially in this middle heavy draft, I think we did pretty good.

Oh and for that #1 pick we traded away, I still think RG3 will be better than anyone else drafted Thursday night, regardless of position. We still won that trade!

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Love ESPN's article title. "191st Blood: Redskins draft Rambo"

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A . I can see all of these guys making an impact this year ( maybe not RB/ Rutgers ). Speed on offense , hitting / tackling on Defense !

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[quote=SkinzWin;1006672]Love ESPN's article title. "191st Blood: Redskins draft Rambo"[/quote]

"I also predict that, especially if Rambo makes the team, the Redskins will set an NFL record for first-year jersey sales of a sixth-round pick."

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[quote=Lotus;1006664]I give us a C+.

Three picks in the secondary should result in at least one starter. Effort was made to fix our greatest weakness. Good stuff.

Really liked the Reed-Thompson picks. If just one of those pans out, then we have either our own Hernandez or our own Sproles. Good stuff.

Jenkins I really didn't get. I don't see any playing time for him other than as a situational pass rusher at best or special teams.

I don't see what Jamison brings to the table that we don't already have in Alfmo.[/quote]

I really like the Jenkins pick. It's a risk-reward pick at the right spot in the draft. Honestly, I think Orakpo (supposedly the defensive star of this team) was underperforming before he was hurt. We all know he gets held a lot but, he needs to win his matchups consistently. Jackson played admirably in his absence but, opposing OTs aren't shaking in their cleats when he's on the field. A potential prospect who could really spark the pass rush was needed.

I think the Skins threw a wrench in the NFL draft gears when they selected Reed. He looks longer than he's listed too.

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i don't doubt shanny's rbs, i just doubt that we needed to draft 2.

i gave it a c grade, acceptable.

factor in the 1st round to rams for griff, bump that up to b grade.

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I gave it a B. Lots of great skill position picks, but I'd like too have seen at least one or two linemen.

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[quote=Evilgrin;1006682]I gave it a B. Lots of great skill position picks, but I'd like too have seen at least one or two linemen.[/quote]

Not to pick on you, but I'm not getting this fascination with drafting linemen this year. We're already 2 deep at every position on the line. Not pro-bowlers deep but sure as hell better off than 5th or 6th round rookie deep. What value would a 5th or 6th round OL bring over a Gettis, Compton, LeRibeus, Hurt? We drafted 6 OL over the past 3 years and signed 3 more who are starting for us. What more do we need to do on the OL?

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[quote=Evilgrin;1006682]I gave it a B. Lots of great skill position picks, [B]but I'd like too have seen at least one or two linemen.[/quote][/B]

You got your wish then. Brandon Jenkins is a defensive end, a defensive end is a lineman.

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[quote=SirLK26;1006686][/B]

You got your wish then. Brandon Jenkins is a defensive end, a defensive end is a lineman.[/quote]lineman or linebacker?

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I gave our draft a A based off of need and value. We covered 3 huge holes with the two safeties and CB. Reed is a insurance policy for Fred, who I think they let walk next year anyways. To get Jenkins in the 5th round could potentially be the steal of the draft. Had he played in 2012, he most likely would have been a 2nd rounder or higher. Mike is the best in the business at finding incredible RBs so I'll defer to his judgement on these picks. Besides, Helu hasn't shown he can stay healthy and no way can we continue running Morris the way we did. We desperately needed a change of back to compliment him. We got that.


Solid draft. Whether they pan out or not is another story.

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Phillip Thomas & Bacarri Rambo. One a Fresno State Bulldog and the other a Georgia Bulldog. I can't wait to see both of these Bulldogs wearing the burgundy and gold.

I'm a little sketchy on Amerson. They obviously feel they can coach him up. He seems to have all the physical tools you could want.

Love the Reed pick. He could give us an all new dimension on offense.

Thomas should challenge for a starting job right off the bat.

Thompson's injuries are a concern, is he too fragile? He looks legit in the open field. Screen game could be real interesting with him.

Jenkins could contribute right away as a pass rusher.

Rambo could be another great value pick if he doesn't have any off the field issues. I hope he comes in with a big chip on his shoulder.

Jamison sounds like another Shanny-back. A relative unknown who might be an ideal fit in this running game.

Overall I think we definitely took some risks, but we also have some possible high reward guys too. Nice balance of addressing big needs on D while also giving the offense some new toys.

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[quote=SirLK26;1006686][/B]

You got your wish then. Brandon Jenkins is a defensive end, a defensive end is a lineman.[/quote]

He'll be converted to a OLB. Even the Ravens were looking hard at him for the OLB position.

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Gave it an A. We addressed the secondary with 3 [B]potential[/B] starters; Thompson if healthy could be the change of pace back behind Morris. Jenkins IMO, had he stayed healthy would've been a 2-3 pick. Even better that we didn't reach for need; we waited got value AND addressed needs.

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[quote=Paintrain;1006685]Not to pick on you, but I'm not getting this fascination with drafting linemen this year. We're already 2 deep at every position on the line. Not pro-bowlers deep but sure as hell better off than 5th or 6th round rookie deep. What value would a 5th or 6th round OL bring over a Gettis, Compton, LeRibeus, Hurt? We drafted 6 OL over the past 3 years and signed 3 more who are starting for us. What more do we need to do on the OL?[/quote]

This.

I understand having some concern about RT, but I don't think it's a dire situation.

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[quote=Mattyk;1006695]This.

I understand having some concern about RT, but I don't think it's a dire situation.[/quote]



Besides, nobody we would have taken in the 4th-7th round would have supplanted Polumbus anyhow. The point is moot about taking a OT in those late rounds.