Alfred Morris Thread.
 

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/52525/whats-alfred-morris-got-for-an-encore]What's Alfred Morris got for an encore? - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

Can Alf become a consistent elite RB in the NFL? I believe he can and will, he reminds me a little of Ray Rice, what are your thoughts?

"Morris is only entering his second year, but in terms of the kind of runner he is and the way he fits his team's scheme, he's as reliable as any back this side of Minneapolis. He's not going to dazzle the way [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/12514/lesean-mccoy"][COLOR=#0066cc]LeSean McCoy[/COLOR][/URL] may in Philly, but he's going to do the exact job his coaches need him to do. And because the Redskins are a team that believes it must commit to the run no matter what, he's going to keep getting carries. I don't think a sophomore slump is coming. I think what Morris was last year is exactly what he'll be this year and for several years until he wears down or gets hurt, as between-the-tackles running backs do. For now, I say he's among the least of Washington's 2013 concerns"

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He should put up 1400-1600 yards and 10+ scores this year easily.

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Saw the Easterns Automotive commercial. All of them are bad. This one is no better.

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Due to injuries and lack of a competent backs ups Morris was used little more than normal last season. I think he set a record for most carries be a rookie.
Hopefully with the return to health of Helu and the drafted rookies we will be able to spell Morris a little more this season.
I do not want Morris used up in a just a few years. RB's taking a beating and I want Morris around for years to come.

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[quote=Mattyk;1014072]He should put up 1400-1600 yards and 10+ scores this year easily.[/quote]


If he does that again, he will be considered a top 5 RB in the league.

Heck he may already be there



1. AD of course
2. A. Foster
3. Ray Rice
4. J. Charles
5. L. McCoy
6. MJD

and then I'd put Morris followed by Forte, CJ28 and finally Trent Richardson

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i think the shannys should get a lot of credit for identifying the exact traits they want in a back, finding that back that fits perfectly then fitting that back into the scheme.

i like alfred morris but i dont think he is an elite back in the sense of being physically gifted. i think he is the near perfect back for us but i also think, if need be, we could find and plug another back in and get near the same results.

i like morris a lot, but i cant help but discount his personal contribution a bit b/c of the scheme and the long list of guys shanny was able to plug in and produce great numbers.

its really next man up imo for running backs on this team. morris can hold it down for another year or 2, then next man up.

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[quote=over the mountain;1014082]i think the shannys should get a lot of credit for identifying the exact traits they want in a back, finding that back that fits perfectly then fitting that back into the scheme.

i like alfred morris but i dont think he is an elite back in the sense of being physically gifted. i think he is the near perfect back for us but i also think, if need be, we could find and plug another back in and get near the same results.

i like morris a lot, but i cant help but discount his personal contribution a bit b/c of the scheme and the long list of guys shanny was able to plug in and produce great numbers.

its really next man up imo for running backs on this team. morris can hold it down for another year or 2, then next man up.[/quote]


Last year after about 5 games I started really thinking the same way, but then when Griff went down and Morris played GREAT against Cleveland, I changed my mind. I don't think he's as gifted as some but he's a dang good RB and a true Old school workhorse.

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I think Morris is perfect for this system AND is a very talented back. Not convinced he is "Top 5" yet. I think that takes a couple years of consistent performance.

He is no sprinter but has good burst. Also, he has great lower body strength - way better than average. His real talent is his vision. I think he gets the most out of every play and, often, gets more than he should.

Pretty sure he is a solid 1,000+ yarder regardless of system.

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Morris is sooo last year, only old fudds like JR would think otherwise. Nobody should count on him for anything (especially those of you who are in the same FF league as me:silly:)

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With Helu and Royster back, Tristan in the fold, and 2 drafted RB, I think the plan is to lighten the load which could lead to the hot hand situation with carries. I think Alfmo is the goaline back and the primary back on 1st, 2nd down. Id expect 1000 yards 10+ scores...still very productive back. It all depends on the health of the back field, if injuries expect more yards for Alfmo.

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[quote=Chico23231;1014091]With Helu and Royster back, Tristan in the fold, and 2 drafted RB, I think the plan is to lighten the load which could lead to the hot hand situation with carries. I think Alfmo is the goaline back and the primary back on 1st, 2nd down. Id expect 1000 yards 10+ scores...still very productive back. It all depends on the health of the back field, if injuries expect more yards for Alfmo.[/quote]

I agree with this. Alfmo might get fewer carries this year. But it is reasonable to expect that he will ball when he does have the rock in his hand.

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[quote=Lotus;1014094]I agree with this. Alfmo might get fewer carries this year. But it is reasonable to expect that he will ball when he does have the rock in his hand.[/quote]

I hope he does get fewer carries this season. Last season he had 335 carries, 3rd most in the league. Combine that many carries with the fact that bruisers like Alfred Morris generally don't last as long as other RBs, and he would be well off with Helu or another back getting a fair portion of the load.

Here are some articles on Morris from the start of the season. It's interesting to read them read after his outstanding season.

[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/08/mixed-reviews-for-morris-start.html]Mixed reviews for Morris' start - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

[url=http://www.realredskins.com/rich-tandlers-real-redsk/2012/08/workhorse-morris-a-dark-horse-possibility-at-rb.html]Workhorse Morris a dark horse possibility at RB - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]

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It's amazing when you look up any highlight video of his on youtube he almost always breaks the first tackle and often it takes 2-3 guys to bring him down. With effort like that I have no problem saying he's already a top 5 back in this league.

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[quote=Mattyk;1014101]It's amazing when you look up any highlight video of his on youtube he almost always breaks the first tackle and often it takes 2-3 guys to bring him down. With effort like that I have no problem saying he's already a top 5 back in this league.[/quote]


I think some just want to see if he can be consistent enough, and I am a huge believer in that he can.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1014110]I think some just want to see if he can be consistent enough, and I am a huge believer in that he can.[/quote]

He got it done all last year and was 2nd in the league in rushing. I've seen enough IMO.

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Morris had a very strong season. As mentioned, his ability to break the first tackle is huge. Not to be ignored of course is his ability to follow the nice holes the OL created for him.

I think he'll get fewer carries and as a result fewer yards, but he won't necessarily regress.

And bold prediction time, his primary backup (at least for the front half of the season) is not currently on the roster. There are some days I feel much more confident about that prediction than others. Today is not one of those days, but what the heck

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What, are you going all Steve Slaton again?

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[quote=smootsmack;1014115]morris had a very strong season. As mentioned, his ability to break the first tackle is huge. Not to be ignored of course is his ability to follow the nice holes the ol created for him.

I think he'll get fewer carries and as a result fewer yards, but he won't necessarily regress.

And bold prediction time, his primary backup (at least for the front half of the season) is not currently on the roster. There are some days i feel much more confident about that prediction than others. Today is not one of those days, but what the heck[/quote]


don't tease

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[quote=Mattyk;1014101]It's amazing when you look up any highlight video of his on youtube he almost always breaks the first tackle and often it takes 2-3 guys to bring him down. With effort like that I have no problem saying he's already a top 5 back in this league.[/quote]

The TD run against NO at the start of this video and then the run beginning at the :20 mark are two of my favorite plays of the 2012 season.
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[quote=sirlk26;1014118]the td run against no at the start of this video and then the run beginning at the :20 mark are two of my favorite plays of the 2012 season.
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thanks i needed this today!

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[quote=over the mountain;1014082]i think the shannys should get a lot of credit for identifying the exact traits they want in a back, finding that back that fits perfectly then fitting that back into the scheme.

i like alfred morris but i dont think he is an elite back in the sense of being physically gifted. i think he is the near perfect back for us but i also think, if need be, we could find and plug another back in and get near the same results.

i like morris a lot, but i cant help but discount his personal contribution a bit b/c of the scheme and the long list of guys shanny was able to plug in and produce great numbers.

its really next man up imo for running backs on this team. morris can hold it down for another year or 2, then next man up.[/quote]

Regardless of the scheme a back plays in, it takes exceptional talent, hard work, and heart to produce the numbers that Alfmo put up as a rookie. You may be so focused on his lack of elite speed that you are overlooking his other, more outstanding attributes:

- He has great leg strength.
- He has great vision.
- He is decisive.
- He breaks tackles.
- He makes people miss.
- He gets the yards after contact.
- He gets the short yardage.
- He scores in the red zone.
- He makes big runs in crunch time.
- He runs out the clock.

Besides having more speed, what else do you want from him as a runner?

Of course he fits the system. But don't let that cause you to underestimate the man who is putting on the pads and doing his part to make the system work.

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[quote=Chico23231;1014116]What, are you going all Steve Slaton again?[/quote]

I don't know who, just saying I could see it happening

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All of you guys that think Alfred is an average back or a system back need to go back and watch all of the tackles he broke or how many times he gots positive yardage last year verses negative plays. I think he made the Redskin's average line look great. As a lifetime Skins fan who watched Riggins play in his prime, I think Alfred is a smaller, but maybe faster version of the Diesel. He may not run a 4.2, but 4.2 guys go down at the first hint of contact, Alfred seems to always get something out of nothing.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1014120]

Besides having more speed, what else do you want from him as a runner?

[/quote]

I think he has good "game" speed. I cant think of anything more Id want from him honestly. He fit our needs very well. On another team with different needs, I dont know how he would fare. But he is on our team and he fares very well here so hooray for us. I am very happy with our running back situation.

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Very interesting article.

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/history-shows-morris-could-improve-year-2]History shows Morris could improve in year 2 | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

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[quote=scowan;1014134]All of you guys that think Alfred is an average back or a system back need to go back and watch all of the tackles he broke or how many times he gots positive yardage last year verses negative plays. I think he made the Redskin's average line look great. As a lifetime Skins fan who watched Riggins play in his prime, I think Alfred is a smaller, but maybe faster version of the Diesel. He may not run a 4.2, but 4.2 guys go down at the first hint of contact, Alfred seems to always get something out of nothing.[/quote]

Whenever I watch Morris highlights, I always count how many yards he gets after first contact by a defender. It's almost always at least five yards and often 8-10. His speed might not be elite, but it was enough to get him several 30-40 yard TD runs. He's my favorite Skin right now.

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I don't think he is top 5 but, as previously stated he is a great back for this system. He lacks pass catching ability, and the break away speed to get a long run like Peterson.

He is a very good back but you wont see him a lot on passing downs.

Plus one other thing to throw in there is that he will no longer be a surprise to anyone, much like RGIII this year will really tell the tale on how good these guys are, there is a year of tape on them and these defensive coordinators make a lot of money to figure out how to stop the offensive weapons, none were greater for us in 2012 than RG and Alred. How they adjust and if they can still be productive is going to dictate there legacy. I feel RG has the smarts, athleticism, and ability to adjust when people key on him, Alfred that remains to be seen.

I just hope we don't go with the "hot hand" style as that IMO kills any consistency with the offense. Let Alfred start and have Helu or Royster back him up and come in when he is tired, or (I belive Royster is the better pass catcher but could be mistaken) come in on passing downs while hopefully developing Alfreds pass catching and pass blocking skills

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[quote=Mattyk;1014101]It's amazing when you look up any highlight video of his on youtube he almost always breaks the first tackle and often it takes 2-3 guys to bring him down. With effort like that I have no problem saying he's already a top 5 back in this league.[/quote]

It's hard to argue that off of last year. I think he's outside the top 5 for two reasons...1. he comes off the field on 3rd down. He's not a receiving threat. 2. We need to see it in year two. But I'd like to see him become a more complete back and add the receiving to his game. I think Rice, AP, Foster, McCoy, Jones Drew (when healthy) Jamal Charles are all ahead of Morris at this point.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1014115]Morris had a very strong season. As mentioned, his ability to break the first tackle is huge. Not to be ignored of course is his ability to follow the nice holes the OL created for him.

I think he'll get fewer carries and as a result fewer yards, but he won't necessarily regress.

And bold prediction time, his primary backup (at least for the front half of the season) is not currently on the roster. There are some days I feel much more confident about that prediction than others. Today is not one of those days, but what the heck[/quote]

Tim Hightower??

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I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Shanahan went with the running back by committee approach. Morris may get over 1,000 yards rushing but I can see Jamison and Thompson getting playing time too.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1014080]If he does that again, he will be considered a top 5 RB in the league.

Heck he may already be there



1. AD of course
2. A. Foster
3. Ray Rice
4. J. Charles
5. L. McCoy
6. MJD

and then I'd put Morris followed by Forte, CJ28 and finally Trent Richardson[/quote]

You need to drop MJD way down. He's no longer able to perform the way he used to, because of age, injuries and just being on the Jags. I'd take Morris over him now.

Marshawn Lynch, Ray Rice and Frank Gore should be above Forte and Richardson.

I'd go:

1. Peterson
2. Foster
3. Lynch
4. McCoy
5. Rice
6. Charles
7. Morris
8. Gore
9. Martin
10. Spiller

RB to make biggest increase in value in 2013: Ridley...NE is going to be running a lot more than in the past.

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RB to make biggest increase in value in 2013: Ridley...NE is going to be running a lot more than in the past.[/QUOTE]

The Patriots may want to run more this year, but if teams start stacking box on them it won't work. The Patriots also let Danny Woodhead go, which was another safety value outlet guy for Brady like Welker. Woodhead was always in on passing downs and helped bail Brady out. Brady is going to have to find a lot of receivers quick during training camp in the next month or so.

I had Ridley on my fantasy team last year and he was a great 2nd/3rd RB Flex guy for TDs and yards, but won't be as good if the Pats don't keep their passing attack as a threat.

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Teams won't consistently stack the box against Patriots because the Pats have Brady. Stacking the box is playing right into their hand. Patriots want you to stack the box. They dare you.
Back in the day Brady won Superbowls with weak ass WR's and TE's. HE does not need top receivers to be effective through the air.

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What I love about Morris is how hard we rode him last year, and he never slowed or wore down. Always answered the bell, and in big-time situations. And stayed healthy through it all.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1014907]You need to drop MJD way down. He's no longer able to perform the way he used to, because of age, injuries and just being on the Jags. I'd take Morris over him now.

Marshawn Lynch, Ray Rice and Frank Gore should be above Forte and Richardson.

I'd go:

1. Peterson
2. Foster
3. Lynch
4. McCoy
5. Rice
6. Charles
7. Morris
8. Gore
9. Martin
10. Spiller

RB to make biggest increase in value in 2013: Ridley...NE is going to be running a lot more than in the past.[/quote]


I'll also add the biggest waste of potential award: Ryan Mathews.

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[quote=Defensewins;1014945]Teams won't consistently stack the box against Patriots because the Pats have Brady. Stacking the box is playing right into their hand. Patriots want you to stack the box. They dare you.
Back in the day Brady won Superbowls with weak ass WR's and TE's. HE does not need top receivers to be effective through the air.[/quote]

Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell!

Exactly right. Teams have to respect Brady.

Stack the box and Amendola will go off for 200 yards and 3 TDs. We know he's capable.

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[quote=monkeydad;1015080]jabar gaffney and reche caldwell!

Exactly right. Teams have to respect brady.

Stack the box and amendola will go off for 200 yards and 3 tds. We know he's capable.[/quote]

brady can win with me and u

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[quote=Monkeydad;1015080]Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell!

Exactly right. Teams have to respect Brady.

Stack the box and Amendola will go off for 200 yards and 3 TDs. We know he's capable.[/quote]

Amendola would be a killer - every bit as deadly as Welker - if he could stay on the field.

Since his bones appear to made of glass, that is a big giant "if".

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Alfred Morris looked good as a rookie but he's no longer new to defenses as he was last year. But the zone blocking scheme alone should assure Morris at least 1,500 yards rushing in 2013.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1015156]Alfred Morris looked good as a rookie but he's no longer new to defenses as he was last year. But the zone blocking scheme alone should assure Morris at least 1,500 yards rushing in 2013.[/quote]

I don't understand the "no longer new, won't be as good" statement. I'm not picking on REDSKINS4ever as much as I am picking on everyone (media) who makes this kind of statement. I mean Alfred Morris played in all 16 games last year. By Week 10 or so, didn't everyone have enough film on the guy to "know his moves" or "read his tendencies"? He still got 200 yards rushing, his best effort of the season, in Week 17?

He was "no longer new" after Week 1, 2012. If you can't stop him after that, you can't stop him.