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In case this hasn't already been posted, I got this over at Tandler's Redskins Blog:

"Coles' main complaint about Gibbs was the coach's inflexible nature. "I didn't feel respected as a player," Coles said. "I know everything changed [when Gibbs succeeded Spurrier] but when you feel like you're one of the best players at your position, you'd think you could talk to a coach about the play-calling. We didn't have that situation. [b]He called the plays. We ran them. That's where things fell off with me.[/b] I realize it's a dictatorship but there's only so much you can take."

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Exactly the kind of attitude that will infect whatever team he is on like ebola. Good riddance you craptastic jerk. Too bad your attitude is going to doom your career in spite of the fact that you have loads of talent. Every team he has been on in the last 7 years has booted his ass out the door. That's telling when you consider it. I mean he couldn't stay on at FSU where they only thing that gets you off the team is murder. Warrick even was given the benefit of the doubt and allowed back. Not Coles though. Then he was ushered out the door unceremoniously in NY the first time with some nice comments from Herm Edwards who wouldn't say a bad thing about Hitler. The question is though...why did they take him back?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Exactly the kind of attitude that will infect whatever team he is on like ebola. Good riddance you craptastic jerk. Too bad your attitude is going to doom your career in spite of the fact that you have loads of talent. Every team he has been on in the last 7 years has booted his ass out the door. That's telling when you consider it. I mean he couldn't stay on at FSU where they only thing that gets you off the team is murder. Warrick even was given the benefit of the doubt and allowed back. Not Coles though. Then he was ushered out the door unceremoniously in NY the first time with some nice comments from Herm Edwards who wouldn't say a bad thing about Hitler. The question is though...why did they take him back?[/QUOTE]


LOL!! What he said

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"He called the plays and we ran them."

I'm sorry but what is wrong with this picture??

Nothing.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk72]"He called the plays and we ran them."

I'm sorry but what is wrong with this picture??

Nothing.[/QUOTE]
I don't know man... That sounds a little crazy to me. I mean shouldn't the players simply call the plays and the coaches can make sure they have all the Gatorade they need and stuff like that. I mean really I am sure Coles knows more the Gibbs. In fact what is the point of coaches? I know I used to play backyard football and I never had a coach there. We did fine at calling plays. I'd bet most of the players in the league have done this. That qualifies them doesn't it?

I wonder if Coles realizes how ridiculous he sounds when he makes a stupid statment like that?

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]I don't know man... That sounds a little crazy to me. I mean shouldn't the players simply call the plays and the coaches can make sure they have all the Gatorade they need and stuff like that. I mean really I am sure Coles knows more the Gibbs. In fact what is the point of coaches? I know I used to play backyard football and I never had a coach there. We did fine at calling plays. I'd bet most of the players in the league have done this. That qualifies them doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

LOL

Coaches? We're talkin' bout coaches? Coaches??

Who needs coaches?

Will LC be calling the plays in NY??

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Coaches should take input from their players, all the great coaches do. This is where Coles was upset I'm guessing.

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First of all, kudos to FRPLG for correct use of the word "craptastic".

Evidence of the need for Coles' departure aren't going to convince those who think we handled his exit poorly otherwise. There are very few left who think Coles should have stayed, and you are never going to win over the "tinfoil hat" crowd.

My favorite argument that bashes the path we took is the one that says we should have kept Coles, and made him inactive until he saw the light. The same people angrily denounce Snyder for threatening to do just that, proving that Snyder can do no right.

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This is like [URL=http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=5216&highlight=coles]deja vu[/URL]

[URL=http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=5254&highlight=dictator]all over again[/URL]

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I do think we could have handled it better. I think releasing him and getting 5 mil in cap room would have been better than getting Moss. I think they maybe got caught up in a pissing match and outsmarted themselves. Apparently they think more of Moss than most people and I can only hope they are clairvoyant in the regard.

That's gotta be the first time ANYONE has used both craptastic and clairvoyant in a thread in the history of the board.

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Brud - There are many reports of Coles saying he thought he had it worked out with Gibbs when Snyder called him and he knew he was past the point of no return. He also said if he stayed he'd play hard. It's how he is, he's a worker and would have played well for us.

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Two words for Coles--BYE,BYE!!!!!

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Daseal-
I don't think he would say, "If they kept me, I'd have dogged it up and down the field, and intentionally fumbled when given the chance."

I don't doubt Coles would have worked hard, but he vocally did not want to be here. That is not a good situation for a team trying to rebuild and install a new system.

I wish we had gotten more for Coles, and paid less to do it. I'm just not going to begrudge the result.

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Coaches should take input from their players, all the great coaches do. This is where Coles was upset I'm guessing.[/QUOTE]

Nothing wrong with taking input from your players and I'm sure Gibbs does, but in the end the coach is responsible for making the decisions.

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[QUOTE=BrudLee] First of all, kudos to FRPLG for correct use of the word "craptastic".

Evidence of the need for Coles' departure aren't going to convince those who think we handled his exit poorly otherwise. There are very few left who think Coles should have stayed, and you are never going to win over the "tinfoil hat" crowd.

My favorite argument that bashes the path we took is the one that says we should have kept Coles, and made him inactive until he saw the light. The same people angrily denounce Snyder for threatening to do just that, proving that Snyder can do no right.[/QUOTE]

And kudos to you my friend for using "tinfoil hat" crowd, just brilliant! LOL

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Vocally - you mean by a story being leaked to the WP? Most of us would have had no idea had the WP not leaked the story.

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I know it would be hard to improve on Gibbs playcalling, but he could have tried a few other things...

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OK Daseal - clean slate.

Gibbs needed to be more aggressive in his playcalling. He said as much himself, but he was joining the choir when he said it.

Coles had a right to be frustrated, but my point is he had a duty (and a contractual obligation) to deal with it.

By vocally, I mean that, since his departure, players have said Coles was grumbling in the locker room all year about his lack of statistical impact. By vocally, I mean telling the head coach that he's calling the wrong plays. These are problems with what Coles said and where he said it. Now, the only person who knows who leaked the Coles/Skins fued is the reporter who broke the story. We can all suspect who we want to in that exchange, but ultimately, the suspicions are baseless.

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I think LC is so good that he should play QB and WR at the same time and only throw passes to himself.

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Brud - by all accounts Coles was working with Gibbs and was taking notes in a meeting and felt good coming out of the meeting with Gibbs. Then got a call from Snyder which was wne he talked about the flatscreen, etc. He said he intended to come back even though he was unhappy he wanted to work through it. At least that's what I BELIEVE the NY Times said. Someone sent me an article to one of the NY papers online.

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Daseal - I don't dispute that Coles recalls it that way. There is a difference between "feeling good coming out of the meeting" and being ready to move forward as a Redskin. The goal of Gibbs, Snyder, and everyone involved with personnel decisions should be to have a roster full of people who are excited to be a part of the team, or at least want to be there. Coles may have said he would continue to work hard as a Redskin, but since the coaching staff and Coles clearly had issues during the season, perhaps another year of the status quo wasn't appealing to the Front Office.

Please don't consider this a defense of the "F--- me? F--- you!" tactics employed by Snyder in this instance. Though I found the exchange amusing, it was anything but productive.

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Hey, Coles wanted to leave, we granted that freedom...like or not, Coles is gone; end of story.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]In case this hasn't already been posted, I got this over at Tandler's Redskins Blog:

"Coles' main complaint about Gibbs was the coach's inflexible nature. "I didn't feel respected as a player," Coles said. "I know everything changed [when Gibbs succeeded Spurrier] but when you feel like you're one of the best players at your position, you'd think you could talk to a coach about the play-calling. We didn't have that situation. [b]He called the plays. We ran them. That's where things fell off with me.[/b] I realize it's a dictatorship but there's only so much you can take."

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First I dont have anything really against Coles. He played well for us for TWO seasons. But comments like the ones above do kill a team. I do recall him (as alot of our WR's did last year) dropping balls alot. He also ranked 7th in the entire NFL with 90 receptions but only gained 950 yards. Every time you watch any sport, and I mean any sport what is the comment you here? "You need to put the ball into the hands of your playmakers", well the Redskins did that 90 times last year and he was not much of a play maker.
Look at Moss he caught half the passes (45) for 838 yards just 112 yads short of LC, and he had the weak armed Chad Pentigon throwint to him. Chad's longest past last year was 48 yds, Ramsey's was 51 and guess who caught that ball not LC but Rod Gardner.
Yes the coach did call the plays and he called Coles's number alot, but Coles just could not come up with the big play, he was not a threat to go deep. I beleive he would return to form if he got that TOE fixed.

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Most definitely. And I do apologize to everyone for reposting part of this article. TAFKAS informed me that it was in another post...

We'll see how Coles fares in New York next year...

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I am just saying I dont beleive he truley wanted to be a Redskin. I remember seeing his former Jet team mate Randy Thomas on the NFL network saying he was very vocal in the locker room and Randy also said you are either a Redskin or not and if you are not then Bye....

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]Exactly the kind of attitude that will infect whatever team he is on like ebola. Good riddance you craptastic jerk. Too bad your attitude is going to doom your career in spite of the fact that you have loads of talent. Every team he has been on in the last 7 years has booted his ass out the door. That's telling when you consider it. I mean he couldn't stay on at FSU where they only thing that gets you off the team is murder. Warrick even was given the benefit of the doubt and allowed back. Not Coles though. Then he was ushered out the door unceremoniously in NY the first time with some nice comments from Herm Edwards who wouldn't say a bad thing about Hitler. The question is though...why did they take him back?[/QUOTE]

I want to clear up some things about your post. First of all, Warrick apologized, Coles didn't think he did anything wrong. They went into a department store and were looking to purchase a lot of clothes, when the guy at the register rang it up, he told them like $25 or something. It was wrong because they were benefiting from fame as amateurs, which is not allowed by the NCAA. They paid what the guy at the register told them to...I wouldn't apologize either.

The Jets wanted to re-sign Coles, but they couldn't. They never said they didn't want him back, they couldn't afford to bring him back. And if they hated him so damn much then why did they work so hard to get him back via the trade?

With the Skins he thought he had worked out an agreement where he would forfeit his bonus if given his release. He wanted to be a free agents so when the Skins said they would trade him, he decided not to. He wanted to be a free agent and find his own team, if he was traded he couldn't do that, so he didn't forfeit the money. A lot of this is the Skins fault.

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I'm happy we got Moss, but part of the reason that Coles had such a low yds per catch average is the inordinate amount of busted wide receiver screens we ran last year. Not many offenses survive by throwing five yard outs and asking the wideout to "make a play" but that seemed to be our offense last year.

I think the idea of having everyone happy and excited to be a Redskin is a little unrealistic, especially when we haven't had a winning season in 5 years. I think this is actually more proof of why we have been losing so much, it's like our front office has ADD. Each year the plan changes, the roster changes (SIGNIFICANTLY) and each year we lose more games than we win.

I refuse to believe that our front office is blameless in all of this, just as I refuse to believe that our only recourse with Coles was to trade him for Moss. Yes, Coles had the possibility of being a locker room cancer, but why? Now all of a sudden he's a bad guy, for what? For saying that Gibbs wouldn't listen to his suggestions? I love Gibbs, think he's one of the best coaches of all time, but we have to trade a guy who called the coach inflexible? Then we pay the guy $5 mil, are preparing to sign his replacement to a big money deal, and consequently lose two guys because we're sticking to a salary structure?

I don't buy any of it. All I want is the Skins to win games, and to me it seems like that's what Coles wanted as well. He was already getting paid, so what was his motivation for wanting to give input on playcalling? Coles was the toughest SOB on the squad the last two years, bar none. Everyone in here complained about the offense last season, but Coles is not allowed to speak up? And he was unhappy ALL SEASON LONG, did anyone get the impression that he was ever giving less than his best?

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Off topic a bit. But lets trade Brunell to the Texans for Charlie Casserly. I see two positives here. We maintain the ongoing goal of making sure that the state of Texas never has a decent football program again. And we get our boy back.

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Coles is gone we should just move on.

I still don't understand someone who defends Coles, but whatever.

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Bridaman - could his 90 catches with a low YPC have to do with an anemic offensive scheme? I think so! You can only make so many yards on WR screens.

Matty - Sorry I don't jump off liking a guy to hating him in three instants. I think a lot of things happened behind the scenes that we can't see and who are we to demonize Coles?

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Well lets take a look at the number 2 and 3 WR for Washington, Rod had 51 catchs for 650 yards (much less catches and only 200 yards short) for a average of 12.7 yads a catch plus 5 TD. So if Rod had caught 90 passes he would have had a total of 1141 yards. Thrash not so good but his yards per catch still higher at 11.9. I am not bashing Coles I dont dislike him or anything, like I said he had 2 really good seasons with the skins. I am just saying I am okay with getting moss for coles, the change maybe what we needed on offense. I wish we could have taken less of a cap hit but oh well.

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does anyone have the authority to please close this thread. If i see the "unmentioned" name again, im going to be sick.

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I say don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out Coles!!!! I think his toe is and will be the end of him! WE a year or two we will all be happy the Jets tock him off our hands and if Moss comes around like i think he will. That will make all the better!

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I think that Coles and Pennington are dating! Chad volunteered to take a pay cut to make thier reunion official. :oink:

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Aww... that's sweet.:vomit-smi

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[QUOTE=Daseal]who are we to demonize Coles?[/QUOTE]
We are the fans who make or break these guys. We are the people who cheered for him. We are the fans who supported his team unfaillingly even through years of losing. That's who...

He is the chump who took shelfishness to another level and created a no win situation for us.

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I'm gonna' agree with that. We are the fans who pay for the crazy bonuses with $7 beers at FedEx, so I feel that we have every right to demonize someone when we are feeling their after-effects even when they are long-gone.

(Also, my first original post was not meant to demonize however, it was just for some additional information I didn't think we had posted yet.)

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[QUOTE=Daseal]Bridaman - could his 90 catches with a low YPC have to do with an anemic offensive scheme? I think so! You can only make so many yards on WR screens.

Matty - Sorry I don't jump off liking a guy to hating him in three instants. I think a lot of things happened behind the scenes that we can't see and who are we to demonize Coles?[/QUOTE]

You don't seem to have a problem with demonizing Gibbs. Every chance you get you take a swipe at the offense. Why does your logic not apply to the offense as well?

I don't hate Coles, but if he doesn't want to be a Redskin and he seems more interested in his personal stats, I find little room to respect him.

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All do respect to Joe, the offense he installed was horrid. Very predictable. But I do find it interesting that Clinton Portis could make play recommendations and Joe Listened. Gary Clarke in his own way requested plays and got Joe's ear in times past. Wonder why LC had such a problem. The bottom line is, LC is damaged goods, physically and mentally. Good riddance. Unfortunately Danny Boy has had a fixation on Moss ever since he was drafted by NY and well the rest is History. Let's move on.

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[QUOTE=Monksdown]Off topic a bit. But lets trade Brunell to the Texans for Charlie Casserly. I see two positives here. We maintain the ongoing goal of making sure that the state of Texas never has a decent football program again. And we get our boy back.[/QUOTE]
I'd do that trade in an instant.

(wait for it.)

Casserly has a better arm.