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... And I don't know whether or not I work, since I technically am a government employee (I'm an Americorps member) and I feel like I'm non-essential.

Guess I'm calling headquarters in the morning to make sure.

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Good news: Congress still gets paid!
Washington Post ‏@washingtonpost 32m
REMINDER: Members of Congress get paid during a shutdown. Their salaries are written into permanent law. [url=http://wapo.st/18KLCyi]Congress gets paid during a shutdown, while staffers don’t. Here’s why.[/url]

And our WWII vets have something to do:
Breaking News ‏@BreakingNews 11m
World War II veterans have reportedly stormed the closed WWII memorial - @LeoShane
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVgKhQbIIAA21lf.jpg[/IMG]

Seems to me like Congress ought not get paid, and the vets should be able to visit an open air memorial without having to storm it. Our country is eff'd up in so many ways :(

edit: maybe congress could donate their pay towards keeping the monuments open for now...

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I think it would be a great idea if Congress decided to donate their pay during this shutdown to the parts of the gov't that truly need it. Certainly would give them some positive press too.

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Laura E. Davis ‏@lauraelizdavis 6m
Obama: More than 1 million people visited [url]http://healthcare.gov[/url] before 7am this morning
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I wonder how many visited porn sites?

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It is a misnomer to say government shutdown. Locality, City, and State governments are operating, and amazingly the country is still functioning. I know the longer it drags on the more actual pain might come from it, but losing a panda cam, or AF-Navy game, just isn't going to destroy the US.

Who was it that was gnashing their teeth over the Blue Angels cutbacks, man this must be hell for him.

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[quote=mooby;1030157]I think it would be a great idea if Congress decided to donate their pay during this shutdown to the parts of the gov't that truly need it. Certainly would give them some positive press too.[/quote]

I agree. But it is obvious that some in Congress don't give a hoot about how they appear. They act like they are entitled to positive press even when they do wacky, childish things.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1030162]It is a misnomer to say government shutdown. Locality, City, and State governments are operating, and amazingly the country is still functioning. I know the longer it drags on the more actual pain might come from it, but losing a panda cam, or AF-Navy game, just isn't going to destroy the US.

Who was it that was gnashing their teeth over the Blue Angels cutbacks, man this must be hell for him.[/quote]

How do you feel about military fly overs at funerals ?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1030160]Laura E. Davis ‏@lauraelizdavis 6m
Obama: More than 1 million people visited [URL]http://healthcare.gov[/URL] before 7am this morning
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I wonder how many visited porn sites?[/quote]



besides you ?

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[quote=Giantone;1030186]besides you ?[/quote]

Depends on what timezone you are using :pimp:

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[quote=Giantone;1030185]How do you feel about military fly overs at funerals ?[/quote]

I think they are a sign of respect that if possible should be done. But, I don't think that the Revolutionary war deaths that were not given military flyovers were given any less respect. Nor do I think that a flyover is a mandatory for current service members. Again, it is a sign of military honor but not an absolute must as a way for proper respects to be given.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1030207]I think they are a sign of respect that if possible should be done. But, I don't think that the Revolutionary war deaths that were not given military flyovers were given any less respect. Nor do I think that a flyover is a mandatory for current service members. Again, it is a sign of military honor but not an absolute must as a way for proper respects to be given.[/quote]
As you are kind of alluding to, there is more than one way to show respect.
AND I have been to several military funerals and there is....nothing more respectful. None had...flyover

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My thoughts on the subject.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1030142]Good news: Congress still gets paid!
Washington Post ‏@washingtonpost 32m
REMINDER: Members of Congress get paid during a shutdown. Their salaries are written into permanent law. [URL="http://wapo.st/18KLCyi"]Congress gets paid during a shutdown, while staffers don’t. Here’s why.[/URL]

And our WWII vets have something to do:
Breaking News ‏@BreakingNews 11m
World War II veterans have reportedly stormed the closed WWII memorial - @LeoShane
[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVgKhQbIIAA21lf.jpg[/IMG]

Seems to me like Congress ought not get paid, and the vets should be able to visit an open air memorial without having to storm it. Our country is eff'd up in so many ways :(

edit: maybe congress could donate their pay towards keeping the monuments open for now...[/quote]

From what I heard they actually had people working to shut down the WWII memorial. Wouldn't it have been just as easy to pay the same people to keep it open.

Heard one guy interviewed who was kicked out of a park where they had been camping. He comented by saying. There was around 60 camp sites full at $60 bucks a night and with one ranger on duty wasn't the park actually making money?

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the actual barracading of those type memorials (open air) were nothing more than showmanship by the administration.

Likewise, the media buys into the term shutdown, when something like 80+% of the government is still funded (ie Social Security, Medicare, Military). It's the normal scare tactics by the left and comical ideologues on the right.

Honestly the country might as well be run by daytime soap actors/actresses. At least then the intrigue might be interesting.

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I have four friends who now are going without a paycheck because of the shutdown. It is hitting them very hard. And I live in podunk Mississippi...I can only imagine the economic pain to many in the DC area, for example.

It's just not fair when you can't pay the rent, you can't fix your car, you're worried about feeding the kids, etc.

The Affordable Care Act was established through democratic legislative, executive, and judicial processes. Don't like it? Then do the democratic thing and get enough people elected to overturn it. Don't hold the whole country hostage.

The whole system needs an enema. They are our representatives, not our masters.

Just as well Americans are too TV neutered to organize and riot.

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[quote=Lotus;1030306]I have four friends who now are going without a paycheck because of the shutdown. It is hitting them very hard. And I live in podunk Mississippi...I can only imagine the economic pain to many in the DC area, for example.

It's just not fair when you can't pay the rent, you can't fix your car, you're worried about feeding the kids, etc.

The Affordable Care Act was established through democratic legislative, executive, and judicial processes. Don't like it? Then do the democratic thing and get enough people elected to overturn it. Don't hold the whole country hostage.[/quote]

I understand your points Lotus, but when you say get enough people elected to overturn it, the House is the place the Constitution says has to start the yearly budgeting, and there are enough in the House to overturn it. That should, in my opinion, at least be enough of a reason that a President elected to serve all the people, not just those that agree with him, ought to consider a delay of implementation and then have the issue revisited after the next election.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1030320]I understand your points Lotus, but when you say get enough people elected to overturn it, the House is the place the Constitution says has to start the yearly budgeting, and there are enough in the House to overturn it. That should, in my opinion, at least be enough of a reason that a President elected to serve all the people, not just those that agree with him, ought to consider a delay of implementation and then have the issue revisited after the next election.[/quote]

Actually my friend, Congress includes both House and Senate, and despite 40 plus attempts the ACA has not been overturned. That is democracy at work.

The House is charged to fund initiatives which have become law. The ACA is one of those initiatives. It is a law. So Congress can overturn the law (which has not happened) or Congress can fund the government, including the ACA. By shutting things down, a small group of representatives are (a) not doing what they are charged to do, and (b) undemocratically holding the country hostage.

The shutdown was enacted not by the will of the people but by 80 representatives. That is not democracy. In terms of process, it is actually closer to oligarchic fascism.

I am no great fan of the ACA. But the will of the people is expressed through more than just some members of the House.

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On the lighter side, those who are looking forward to new craft beers can wait longer, thanks to the shutdown:

[url=http://www.examiner.com/article/government-shutdown-could-hit-craft-beer-industry]Government shutdown could hit craft beer industry - San Diego craft beer | Examiner.com[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;1030306]I have four friends who now are going without a paycheck because of the shutdown. It is hitting them very hard. [/quote]

According to Fox news.....it's not doing much of anything. Why? Because it doesn't affect them, nor do they care about anybody else.


[url=http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/jon-stewart-rips-fox-hannity-making-light]Jon Stewart To Fox Hosts: F*ck You For Mocking The Poor | Video Cafe[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;1030331]According to Fox news.....it's not doing much of anything. Why? Because it doesn't affect them, nor do they care about anybody else.


[url=http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/jon-stewart-rips-fox-hannity-making-light]Jon Stewart To Fox Hosts: F*ck You For Mocking The Poor | Video Cafe[/url][/quote]

Fox "News": Forever Unfair and Unbalanced.

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[quote=Lotus;1030325]Actually my friend, Congress includes both House and Senate, and despite 40 plus attempts the ACA has not been overturned. That is democracy at work.

The House is charged to fund initiatives which have become law. The ACA is one of those initiatives. It is a law. So Congress can overturn the law (which has not happened) or Congress can fund the government, including the ACA. By shutting things down, a small group of representatives are (a) not doing what they are charged to do, and (b) undemocratically holding the country hostage.

The shutdown was enacted not by the will of the people but by 80 representatives. That is not democracy. In terms of process, it is actually closer to oligarchic fascism.

I am no great fan of the ACA. But the will of the people is expressed through more than just some members of the House.[/quote]



Bravo , well said ! You hit it right on the head !

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[quote=Lotus;1030325]Actually my friend, Congress includes both House and Senate, and despite 40 plus attempts the ACA has not been overturned. That is democracy at work.

The House is charged to fund initiatives which have become law. The ACA is one of those initiatives. It is a law. So Congress can overturn the law (which has not happened) or Congress can fund the government, including the ACA. By shutting things down, a small group of representatives are (a) not doing what they are charged to do, and (b) undemocratically holding the country hostage.

The shutdown was enacted not by the will of the people but by 80 representatives. That is not democracy. In terms of process, it is actually closer to oligarchic fascism.

I am no great fan of the ACA. But the will of the people is expressed through more than just some members of the House.[/quote]

Ok, so the law was passed why does the president now have the choice to delay parts of the law as he feels fit? Seems they want it both ways. Funny he delayed the employer mandate until after the next elections. Also the Rep. said they would sign off on the budget if congress and federal employess where also included under Obama Care. What's good for me and you should also be good for them. How about the unions and the 100's of large corporations they excluded from Obama Care?

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[quote=Lotus;1030325]Actually my friend, Congress includes both House and Senate, and despite 40 plus attempts the ACA has not been overturned. That is democracy at work.

The House is charged to fund initiatives which have become law. The ACA is one of those initiatives. It is a law. So Congress can overturn the law (which has not happened) or Congress can fund the government, including the ACA. By shutting things down, a small group of representatives are (a) not doing what they are charged to do, and (b) undemocratically holding the country hostage.

The shutdown was enacted not by the will of the people but by 80 representatives. That is not democracy. In terms of process, it is actually closer to oligarchic fascism.

I am no great fan of the ACA. But the will of the people is expressed through more than just some members of the House.[/quote]
You know that the Senate only turns over at a snails pace of 6 years, and add in members on both sides of the aisle that have been in their spot for nearly 30+ years, and that part of the Congress is reflective more of the "protectorate" of the Congress.

The House of Representatives turns over every two years, if they aren't expressing what their constituents want, they are gone. It obviously leads to more extreme responses, but it also reflects the divide of the nation. A big part of my feelings on this are tied up in my distrust for government overall, and the more gridlock they have the happier I am, but even with that, it doesn't seem like a major effort on the President's part to recognize that the ACA is not something that is wanted by a strong majority in the nation, and that maybe delaying it, and seeing if there are other ways to resolve the differences might work.

I certainly would be more willing to agree if something like 70% (or a super majority) in polling data was in favor of it, but most everything I see is about a 50% split, which means that you are forcing half the country to abide by something they don't want. That seems wrong.

[url=http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/health_care_law]Health Care Law - Rasmussen Reports™[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;1030344]Ok, so the law was passed why does the president now have the choice to delay parts of the law as he feels fit? Seems they want it both ways. Funny he delayed the employer mandate until after the next elections. Also the Rep. said they would sign off on the budget if congress and federal employess where also included under Obama Care. What's good for me and you should also be good for them. How about the unions and the 100's of large corporations they excluded from Obama Care?[/quote]

Absolutely 100% correct. And the Senate could have left Obamacare separated from government funding, and they didn't. Obama could have said lets delay the ACA by a year for everyone because of all the issues, and he didn't. Democrats have had many options to work with Republicans and they decided not to.

What the hell is a non-essential government job anyway? Theres no such thing as a non-essential private sector job. I have to believe at least half of the furlong jobs are ones that should be eliminated anyway.

I always feel bad for people who lose their jobs or their incomes but that's life for everyone, not just life for the private industry. There are risks in life. If you take a job in a non-essential department of a company that's $16 trillion in debt then you shouldn't be surprised when theres a disruption in your income. You shouldn't be surprised if you get laid off. You should expect that those things are likely to happen, and you should be trying to find another job and attempting to shield yourself as much as possible from needing and expecting an income from an unstable employer.

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here is a cnn "fact check" about the law,

[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/27/fact-check-is-obamacare-unpopular/?iref=obinsite]Fact Check: Is Obamacare unpopular? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

and mostly to the point that I am saying is that this isn't a law which has high percentage buy in, and while, yes it has passed the process, there are alot of US citizens who feel that this law is not what they want, and the president should acknowledge that nearly half the country has issues with this law. To me, a president who started by saying he was going to unite the country, ought to give credence to that, and resolve to find a way that brings unity, not division to the country. (and that does go for the republican side who refuses to see a need for some reform to be done when nearly 50% support this law)

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Make it hurt:

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/02/nps-orders-closure-park-that-receives-no-federal-funding/]NPS orders closure of park that receives no federal funding | Fox News[/url]

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/02/make-it-hurt-republicans-accuse-administration-inflicting-budget-pain/]Make It Hurt? Republicans accuse administration of inflicting added budget pain | Fox News[/url]

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Why should I care? Every man for himself!

Also, should I expect a tax refund for each day the gov is shutdown?

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[quote=firstdown;1030344]Ok, so the law was passed why does the president now have the choice to delay parts of the law as he feels fit? Seems they want it both ways. Funny he delayed the employer mandate until after the next elections. Also the Rep. said they would sign off on the budget if congress and federal employess where also included under Obama Care. What's good for me and you should also be good for them. How about the unions and the 100's of large corporations they excluded from Obama Care?[/quote]

Congress could have stood up to Obama on the delays and forced him to enact the ACA more quickly. It didn't.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1030351]here is a cnn "fact check" about the law,

[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/27/fact-check-is-obamacare-unpopular/?iref=obinsite]Fact Check: Is Obamacare unpopular? – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

and mostly to the point that I am saying is that this isn't a law which has high percentage buy in, and while, yes it has passed the process, there are alot of US citizens who feel that this law is not what they want, and the president should acknowledge that nearly half the country has issues with this law. To me, a president who started by saying he was going to unite the country, ought to give credence to that, and resolve to find a way that brings unity, not division to the country. (and that does go for the republican side who refuses to see a need for some reform to be done when nearly 50% support this law)[/quote]

My friend, democracy works through votes, not opinion polls. And the votes say that the ACA is a law. Congress is required to act accordingly.

Again, I am no great fan of the ACA (as I would have been happy to tell any pollster, should they ask). But I am also not a fan of a small minority of Congressmen scuttling the government simply because there is a law that they don't like. We all live by laws we don't like - that's democracy.

Democracy works through votes, not opinion polls or infantile Tea Party temper tantrums.

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Because of the shutdown, Germany and the UK issue travel advisories. The shutdown is costing us tourist $$$.

[url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-govt-shutdown-Germany-UK-issue-travel-warning-to-America-Obama-cancels-Asia-trip/articleshow/23435559.cms]US govt shutdown: Germany, UK issue 'travel warning' to America, Obama cancels Asia trip - The Times of India[/url]

Well I certainly didn't think about this possibility:

@SarcasticRover: What kind of government puts hundreds of rocket scientists and roboticists out of work?! ARE THEY TRYING TO CREATE SUPER-VILLAINS?

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The shutdown threatens WIC payments to poor mothers and kids.
[url=http://news.yahoo.com/shutdown-puts-wic-food-program-for-vulnerable-mothers-at-risk-144731187.html]Shutdown puts WIC food program for vulnerable mothers at risk[/url]

But at least Ted Cruz doesn't have to live with a law he doesn't like, so it's worth it. :(

The shutdown also threatens the recovery in the housing market:
[url=http://news.yahoo.com/extended-government-shutdown-pinch-housing-recovery-213747653--sector.html]Extended government shutdown would pinch housing recovery[/url]

But at least John Boehner doesn't have to live with a law he doesn't like, so it's worth it. :(

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The ACA is a terrible law. Further, it is a terrible law of the worst kind in that its costly ill-effects won't be felt until it is too soundly entrenched as policy to be repealed or radically altered.

- It does not address the underlying "brokenness" of health care in the country that drive costs up (costs not reflective/responsive to market forces on either the supply or demand side; inadequate regulation of malpractice and the litigation resulting from it)

- Within 30-40 years, eliminate employer health-care and replace it with subsidies for the insurance exchange which will provide less actual coverage (~my employer pays $100/mo. towards my family health coverage, I pay an additional $200 - for that I get top shelf care for my family. Once the inevitable happens and we are kicked into the insurance exchanges, my employer may offer a subsidy of $250 but my level of care will be substantially reduced).

- As the insurance exchanges become the single source of insurance and, because it uses the same pricing model that existed prior to the ACA, costs will continue to rise but be displaced from individual choice and, instead, be funded by the Federal budget. It will become the largest "entitlement" payments paid out by the Federal govt. - dwarfing medicare & social security.

BUT ... the sheeple voted for it. It is law. A horrible, terrible law and an indictment of Obama and the Democratic party - still a law. It is Congress reponsibility to pass the funding mechanisms. The delay sought by the Republicans is meaningless given the scope of ACA, brings unnecessary pain and suffering to many, is costly and may cause long term structural damage to the economy.

You lost. You failed to propose an alternative plan. You cannot repeal the law through your current actions and are likely only garnering it support. You are causing harm to individuals and the country as a whole.

Pass the f'ing budget.

If you are serious about the ACA (and I hope you are), develop an alternative plan not beholden to National Association of Trial Lawyers, the Insurance Industry and pharmaceutical companies. Such a plan would require creative thinking, radical changes to the existing system and bold leadership. I guess I don't think you have it in you.

I hate sheeple. I hate the entrenched political system. I weep for my children's future.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1030418]The ACA is a terrible law. Further, it is a terrible law of the worst kind in that its costly ill-effects won't be felt until it is too soundly entrenched as policy to be repealed or radically altered.

- It does not address the underlying "brokenness" of health care in the country that drive costs up (costs not reflective/responsive to market forces on either the supply or demand side; inadequate regulation of malpractice and the litigation resulting from it)

- Within 30-40 years, eliminate employer health-care and replace it with subsidies for the insurance exchange which will provide less actual coverage (~my employer pays $100/mo. towards my family health coverage, I pay an additional $200 - for that I get top shelf care for my family. Once the inevitable happens and we are kicked into the insurance exchanges, my employer may offer a subsidy of $250 but my level of care will be substantially reduced).

- As the insurance exchanges become the single source of insurance and, because it uses the same pricing model that existed prior to the ACA, costs will continue to rise but be displaced from individual choice and, instead, be funded by the Federal budget. It will become the largest "entitlement" payments paid out by the Federal govt. - dwarfing medicare & social security.

BUT ... the sheeple voted for it. It is law. A horrible, terrible law and an indictment of Obama and the Democratic party - still a law. It is Congress reponsibility to pass the funding mechanisms. The delay sought by the Republicans is meaningless given the scope of ACA, brings unnecessary pain and suffering to many, is costly and may cause long term structural damage to the economy.

You lost. You failed to propose an alternative plan. You cannot repeal the law through your current actions and are likely only garnering it support. You are causing harm to individuals and the country as a whole.

Pass the f'ing budget.

If you are serious about the ACA (and I hope you are), develop an alternative plan not beholden to National Association of Trial Lawyers, the Insurance Industry and pharmaceutical companies. Such a plan would require creative thinking, radical changes to the existing system and bold leadership. I guess I don't think you have it in you.

I hate sheeple. I hate the entrenched political system. I weep for my children's future.[/quote]

Well said, Joe.

Although personally I do not view the ACA quite as darkly as you do, we are in essential agreement.

I'm sick of people acting in entitled ways as they moan about "entitlements."

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1030418][B]The ACA is a terrible law. Further, it is a terrible law of the worst kind in that its costly ill-effects won't be felt until it is too soundly entrenched as policy to be repealed or radically altered.[/B]

- It does not address the underlying "brokenness" of health care in the country that drive costs up (costs not reflective/responsive to market forces on either the supply or demand side; inadequate regulation of malpractice and the litigation resulting from it)

- Within 30-40 years, eliminate employer health-care and replace it with subsidies for the insurance exchange which will provide less actual coverage (~my employer pays $100/mo. towards my family health coverage, I pay an additional $200 - for that I get top shelf care for my family. Once the inevitable happens and we are kicked into the insurance exchanges, my employer may offer a subsidy of $250 but my level of care will be substantially reduced).

- As the insurance exchanges become the single source of insurance and, because it uses the same pricing model that existed prior to the ACA, costs will continue to rise but be displaced from individual choice and, instead, be funded by the Federal budget. It will become the largest "entitlement" payments paid out by the Federal govt. - dwarfing medicare & social security.

BUT ... the sheeple voted for it. It is law. A horrible, terrible law and an indictment of Obama and the Democratic party - still a law. It is Congress reponsibility to pass the funding mechanisms. The delay sought by the Republicans is meaningless given the scope of ACA, brings unnecessary pain and suffering to many, is costly and may cause long term structural damage to the economy.

You lost. You failed to propose an alternative plan. You cannot repeal the law through your current actions and are likely only garnering it support. You are causing harm to individuals and the country as a whole.

Pass the f'ing budget.

If you are serious about the ACA (and I hope you are), develop an alternative plan not beholden to National Association of Trial Lawyers, the Insurance Industry and pharmaceutical companies. Such a plan would require creative thinking, radical changes to the existing system and bold leadership. I guess I don't think you have it in you.

I hate sheeple. I hate the entrenched political system. I weep for my children's future.[/quote]

Your correct and its why they must fight it now and not wait. What damage a shut down might do is very minor compared to what OBC will have on us.

You say your emp. pays $100 and you pay $200 a month for your health ins.? That sounds very low are sure about those numbers?

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This is who we're dealing with.



Obamacare Hotline's number is REALLY 1-800-FU**YO.

You can't make this crap up. I checked it on my phone, it's true.


[url=http://tinyurl.com/l5au9fu]Need health care coverage? Just dial 1-800-F**KYO to reach Obamacare’s national hotline | The Daily Caller[/url]

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Right on Healthcare.gov site...preserved before they change it.

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I hope that Hurricane Karen does to my neck of the woods what Katrina and Sandy did, but this time with the government shut down. That'd be great!

In other news, a Republican senator says that Ted Cruz has no plan, that the shutdown is all about him:
[url=http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-cruz-blasted-by-angry-gop-colleagues-in-closed-door-meeting]Report: Cruz Grilled By Angry GOP Colleagues In Closed-Door Meeting[/url]

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And in related news, Democrat says GOP is waging Jihad.


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