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Well I'm.calling this season.over .. what a difference a year makes

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Good: nothing
Bad : everything
Edit: Rats "other" gameday thread was good. :)

I.mentioned in the gameday thread but Mike is gone and.he should be. I've been all in for ms since day one but not anymore

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Please tell me what brian Mitchell says.

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[quote=Bushead;1032644]Please tell me what brian Mitchell says.[/quote]

Special teams sucked

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1032641]I.mentioned in the gameday thread but Mike is gone and.he should be. I've been all in for ms since day one but not anymore[/QUOTE]

I responded to it. In complete agreement. Whether its personell or preparation its his fault. This team is not constructed very well at all. I dont even know if 18 million is enough to make us a contender.
Kyle is a joke as a playcaller. For the life of me i will never understand why we went away from the no huddle after it worked on the first drive.
I have absolutely nothing good to say about the special teams (another choice/decision ) made by MS - just like Haslett.

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Something just seems completely off, the likes of which we haven't seen since the team flat out quit on Zorn and vice versa.

Kyle should not get a hc job not.yet anyway. I agree smoot.I think we have quit on mike

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[quote=SmootSmack;1032646]Special teams sucked[/quote]

All season! They are the worst I can remember here.

Side note how.much do we miss Lorenzo

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No more retread coaches, I don't care if they won a SB. New blood is needed, time to find the next Gibbs.

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A lot of these responses could be copied from last years bye week.

RG3 looked good, but not great.. When they knew we had to pass he struggled with finding open WR's.

Defense played better too..

We abandoned the running game early, and maybe we had to. I just watch the games, and don't know what's going on the field.

I wish we could go back a decade and find our special teams again. Use to be one of the solid points on the team. Now it might be the worse aspect of our team.

Bottom line is we have to score points if we want to win. We are NOT scoring points. Preferably touchdowns.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1032651]Side note how.much do we miss Lorenzo[/quote]

I thought he was irrelevant? He backed up Fletcher and was ST stud, he is missed big time, Barnett is worse than Fletcher.

I agree SF we need a young hungry coach

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1032648]Something just seems completely off, the likes of which we haven't seen since the team flat out quit on Zorn and vice versa.[/QUOTE]

I just think they arent very good. I also think that Kyles playcalling is counter productive and not tailored to the product we put on the field. I want to say they quit because that would be an easier fix than an overhaul of our oline, wr's, secondary, special teams- but i just dont think its that simple. I dont think Vince Lombardi could make these guys winners.

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Game ball: Hall.

Our defense outplayed their defense, and for most of the game, our offense outplayed their offense (though theres no way to account for the end of the game where everything in the passing game broke down and RG3 had scattershot accuracy).

Dallas isn't any good either btw. They just are not as bad as us. Sad that they will probably win the east

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1032649]Kyle should not get a hc job not.yet anyway. I agree smoot.I think we have quit on mike[/quote]

Well I didn't say that. I don't believe they have, players love playing for Mike. I just said this is the worst the team has looked since the team quit on Zorn

I know that things aren't rosy bw Mike and Kyle, and one of them and RG3

I do wonder if Kyle is taking on too much, know he's very involved with QB and WRs, almost serving as position coach for them.

I mean yes special teams is awful, and the interior OL has been atrocious, and London Fletcher is dreadful, and so on but I just feel like something is off "behind the scenes"

Can't quite put my finger on it though.

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Well, Lorenzo wouldn't have done anything for us this year what with him on IR and all

Raheem Morris is going to be our next HC. Been telling you this for almost 2 years now

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Bottom line is we need better QB play. Everyone can bitch and moan about everything but if we had better QB play we're a 500 team. The season is not lost but it's time for Cousins. I've seen enough of RG3's inaccurate passes, his jittery pocket presence, the one read and try and make shit happen. We can not win with this type of offense. What my eyes tell me is RG3 is simply not ready to be a pro QB. And please....no one show me bullshit stats.

Fletcher should have retired he's just terrible now

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1032652]No more retread coaches, I don't care if they won a SB. New blood is needed, time to find the next Gibbs.[/quote]

Who's on your short list?

I would.say someone like Todd Bowles or Greg Roman

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Raheem Morris.............YEEEeeeeeeeeeeah no

Right now we couldn't beat the giants

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1032662]Fletcher should have retired he's just terrible now[/quote]Toughest thing in sports to overcome is an aging star.

Mike Shanahan game management a distant second. David Ortiz grand slam in third.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1032660]Well, Lorenzo wouldn't have done anything for us this year what with him on IR and all

Raheem Morris is going to be our next HC. Been telling you this for almost 2 years now[/QUOTE]

17-31 record as a head coach
No thanks.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1032660]Well, Lorenzo wouldn't have done anything for us this year what with him on IR and all

Raheem Morris is going to be our next HC. Been telling you this for almost 2 years now[/quote]

What's your opinion of him? Does BA like him? And...million dollar question: if Morris is the foregone pick why not can Mike right now and let Raheem start to mold the team?

Doesn't sound quite right.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1032661]Bottom line is we need better QB play. Everyone can bitch and moan about everything but if we had better QB play we're a 500 team. The season is not lost but it's time for Cousins. I've seen enough of RG3's inaccurate passes, his jittery pocket presence, the one read and try and make shit happen. We can not win with this type of offense. What my eyes tell me is RG3 is simply not ready to be a pro QB. And please....no one show me bullshit stats.[/quote]

RGIII's problem right now is his head, we have no pass protection. Lichtensteiger and Chester were getting beat all night, the skins need an OL like the 49ers, big, bruising hogs. Smash mouth football.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1032664]I would.say someone like Todd Bowles or Greg Roman[/quote]

Bingo!! Roman HC, Bowles DC.

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I think RG3's magic and hype is starting to quickly fizzle away. He can't manage the clock. He's holding on to the ball too long. He stares down his first read (and Cowboys said this to Al and Cris during the broadcast meeting) too often. He seldomly looks to his 3rd read. He doesn't know how to make line protections. He's over throwing wide open WRs. He went from being great at not turning the ball over to a problem.

I'm really starting to question if he can run a basic NFL offense, and not this gimmicky college crap with 4 people in the backfield with him. You look at QBs in the league that are considered very good to great, and they can win with below average OLines. RG3 even has the mobility thing going for him (he looked near 100% tonight so I don't want to hear about his knee) too which helps make OLines look good. Well, tonight 2nd and 3rd stringers didn't care, they went right through our OL and right for Robert whose there dancing looking at 1 WR the whole time. Our OL made Hatcher look like Geno Atkins, Kyle Wilbur look like Umenyiora and Robert made Carr look like Richard Sherman.

Our special teams was horrible and clearly something is wrong with them if the Cowboys all knew they would have a big advantage over us there.

Mike or Kyle, one of them, needs to go, as well as Haslett and Orakpo. I'm tired of Orakpo getting held, but at the same time, why do all refs not call it? Maybe because Orakpo's one pass rushing move is making it look like he's being held. I agree with who ever said we should get Greg Roman. Another name I'll throw out there, is Art Briles, since he clearly knows how to get the best out of Robert.

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[B]Moving onto the post game thread where the mods will attack "contributors to the blog"[/B]
Just when you thought there was nothing to laugh about.....

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Wow, Shannahan is 8-4 in his last 12 games, including a division title, playoff berth and a 7 game winning streak. NFL levies huge fines against the team making them non players in Free Agency. Draft picks started on the third day of the draft. So the coach essentially had to go in to this season with the same personnel.

And why is everyone wanting to get rid of him? His legs were cut out from under him when the team got hit with those cap penalties.

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See you next year redskins. Fire Kyle

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[quote=punch it in;1032669]17-31 record as a head coach
No thanks.[/quote]

That's one narrow minded way to look at it

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[quote=Hog1;1032678][B]Moving onto the post game thread where the mods will attack "contributors to the blog"[/B]
Just when you thought there was nothing to laugh about.....[/quote]

I think SS gets it. If I don't give him a hard time who will?

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[quote=The Goat;1032670]What's your opinion of him? Does BA like him? And...million dollar question: if Morris is the foregone pick why not can Mike right now and let Raheem start to mold the team?

Doesn't sound quite right.[/quote]

I'm only joking about Morris being the next HC. That said, my opinion is he deserves a 2nd chance with better support around him. Such as veteran leadership on/off the field. Should that 2nd chance be here? I don't know.

Bruce Allen, like most people in the organization and around the league, love Rhaeem. Bruce Allen would stand on the table to fight for Raheem long before Mike would stand on the table for Kyle. And that's not meant to be an indictment of Mike and Kyle, I'm just illustrating how much Allen likes Raheem.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;1032684]That's one narrow minded way to look at it[/QUOTE]

Well i would argue that wins and losses are pretty important. Lol. What is it about him outside of his coaching record that makes you more open minded to giving him the job?

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[quote=sandtrapjack;1032682]Wow, Shannahan is 8-4 in his last 12 games, including a division title, playoff berth and a 7 game winning streak. NFL levies huge fines against the team making them non players in Free Agency. Draft picks started on the third day of the draft. So the coach essentially had to go in to this season with the same personnel.

And why is everyone wanting to get rid of him? His legs were cut out from under him when the team got hit with those cap penalties.[/quote]It's mostly because he's terrible.

Which you should be very happy about, btw. We are all happy Jason Garrett is still your coach. It's kind of like that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1032659] but I just feel like something is off "behind the scenes"

Can't quite put my finger on it though.[/quote]


So obviously the philosophical differences between mike and kyle are taking their toll on the team. If the players love playing for Mike, it certainly doesn't seem that way with the production on the field.

So the bottom line is this. Who does RGIII favor in this battle between the Shanahans? Kyle's approach or Mike's? My guess is Kyle seeing as how RGIII has sort of hung Mike out to dry in press conferences before.