Do You Unequivocally Believe RG3 Is Our Franchise QB?
 

I know it seems insane to even pose this as a question at this point in his career and for the record my opinion is that he CLEARLY is.

However, in light of the overall results this season and his recent performances, there have been increasing questions about his development as a passer, his leadership (all externally though so I discount that) and even if he should still be playing.

I think he's encountering the struggles that MOST young QB endure, definitely made worse by the lack of an offseason. Unless questions start to arise from inside the locker room about his leadership and status with teammates, I give that no validity.

Where do you stand on RG3?

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Yes.

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[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Griffin_III]Robert Griffin III - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url]

First paragraph sums it up.

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He's a bum, let's go after Matt Flynn

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He will be fine after this redshirt year.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1042378]He's a bum, let's go after Matt Flynn[/quote]

All in for Tebow.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1042376]Yes.[/quote]
^^^^^^^^^^

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Yes, next topic.

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Lmao!!!!

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[quote=Mattyk;1042385]Yes, next topic.[/quote]

I would think it should be that simple but last week Darrell Green raised the leadership question. Sunday Sonny, and to a lesser extent Cooley, were calling for him to be sat down in favor of Cousins. Shanahan spent significant time in his presser yesterday talking about his 'growing pains', [url=http://realredskins.com/2013/11/19/need-to-know-shanahan-speaks-of-grown-pains-for-rg3/]Need to Know: Shanahan speaks of ‘growing pains’ for RG3 | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]. Tracee Hamilton in today's Post ([url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-are-a-tragic-comedy-on-a-loop/2013/11/18/1568735a-5066-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html]Washington Redskins are a tragic comedy on a loop - The Washington Post[/url]) says he's 'regressing before our eyes'. In the coaching thread, there are a couple of posters questioning him and saying he should be sat down for the rest of the year and start Cousins.

Personally, I think its a bunch of 'sky is falling' stuff but thought it may warrant some discussion.

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Absolutely. Needs better coaching period

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The next thread in this forum might as well be: Are Philadelphia Eagles fans, as a group, a disgrace to the rest of the NFL?

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[quote=Paintrain;1042390]I would think it should be that simple but last week Darrell Green raised the leadership question. Sunday Sonny, and to a lesser extent Cooley, were calling for him to be sat down in favor of Cousins. Shanahan spent significant time in his presser yesterday talking about his 'growing pains', [url=http://realredskins.com/2013/11/19/need-to-know-shanahan-speaks-of-grown-pains-for-rg3/]Need to Know: Shanahan speaks of ‘growing pains’ for RG3 | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/url]. Tracee Hamilton in today's Post ([url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-are-a-tragic-comedy-on-a-loop/2013/11/18/1568735a-5066-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html]Washington Redskins are a tragic comedy on a loop - The Washington Post[/url]) says he's 'regressing before our eyes'. In the coaching thread, there are a couple of posters questioning him and saying he should be sat down for the rest of the year and start Cousins.

Personally, I think its a bunch of 'sky is falling' stuff but thought it may warrant some discussion.[/quote]

All typical overreactions IMO.

He's a 2nd year QB coming off a major injury and he's still developing as a passer. People seriously need to pump the brakes.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1042380]All in for Tebow.[/quote]Let's go for the real cannon arm on our team:
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[quote=Paintrain;1042390]I would think it should be that simple but last week Darrell Green raised the leadership question. Sunday Sonny, and to a lesser extent Cooley, were calling for him to be sat down in favor of Cousins. Shanahan spent significant time in his presser yesterday talking about his 'growing pains', [URL="http://realredskins.com/2013/11/19/need-to-know-shanahan-speaks-of-grown-pains-for-rg3/"]Need to Know: Shanahan speaks of ‘growing pains’ for RG3 | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/URL]. Tracee Hamilton in today's Post ([URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-are-a-tragic-comedy-on-a-loop/2013/11/18/1568735a-5066-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html"]Washington Redskins are a tragic comedy on a loop - The Washington Post[/URL]) says he's 'regressing before our eyes'. In the coaching thread, there are a couple of posters questioning him and saying he should be sat down for the rest of the year and start Cousins.

Personally, I think its a bunch of 'sky is falling' stuff but thought it may warrant some discussion.[/quote]

I don't think "regressing" is accurate. Last year he was a one-read QB who threatened the defense with his legs. Teams didn't really catch on that he could only make one read, and they were seeing our pistol for the first time. Now after an offseason of reviewing tape, they see how it works. And with the knee he's just now getting back that ability to threaten defenses with his legs.

But because teams are taking away his first option, his weaknesses are being exposed. He's not regressing, but he hasn't made any progress. He needs a full healthy offseason to work on getting through progressions quickly.

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Hopefully he is going the way of Cam Newton: dynamic rookie year followed by an ugly sophomore slump, then followed by year three brilliance.

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What's so concerning about RG3 is he misses the easy routine throws/ reads that back up NFL QB's make in their sleep. He needs some serious coaching up this off season. The trade was a bad one IMO, that's water under the bridge... but I'm on the fence about him being a franchise QB.

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[quote=Paintrain;1042390]I would think it should be that simple but last week Darrell Green raised the leadership question. Sunday Sonny, and to a lesser extent Cooley, were calling for him to be sat down in favor of Cousins. Shanahan spent significant time in his presser yesterday talking about his 'growing pains', [URL="http://realredskins.com/2013/11/19/need-to-know-shanahan-speaks-of-grown-pains-for-rg3/"]Need to Know: Shanahan speaks of ‘growing pains’ for RG3 | Rich Tandler's Real Redskins[/URL]. Tracee Hamilton in today's Post ([URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-are-a-tragic-comedy-on-a-loop/2013/11/18/1568735a-5066-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html"]Washington Redskins are a tragic comedy on a loop - The Washington Post[/URL]) says he's 'regressing before our eyes'. In the coaching thread, there are a couple of posters questioning him and saying he should be sat down for the rest of the year and start Cousins.

Personally, I think its a bunch of 'sky is falling' stuff but thought it may warrant some discussion.[/quote]

He should've been benched last week. Nothing wrong with sitting a guy down but also letting him know he's the guy the remainder of the season.

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[quote=Schneed10;1042406]I don't think "regressing" is accurate. Last year he was a one-read QB who threatened the defense with his legs. Teams didn't really catch on that he could only make one read, and they were seeing our pistol for the first time. Now after an offseason of reviewing tape, they see how it works. And with the knee he's just now getting back that ability to threaten defenses with his legs.

But because teams are taking away his first option, his weaknesses are being exposed. He's not regressing, but he hasn't made any progress. He needs a full healthy offseason to work on getting through progressions quickly.[/quote]

Pretty much sums it up. His footwork is also god awful. The back peddle in the pocket has got to stop.

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Wasn't last year Cam Newtons 2nd year? Cam threw for 3,869 yards, with 19 TD and 12 INTs. He rushed for 741 yards and 8 TDs and his team went 7-9.

Griffin through 10 games has thrown for 2,714 yards, with 14 TD and 10 INTs. He has rushed for 345 yards. Griffin is really on the same pace as Cam, and Cam was never coming back from a major knee injury. Griffin is playing worse than Luck and Wilson right now, but I would argue those teams have a better defense than the Redskins.

There are only a handful of guys I might take over RG3, but many of those guys are old and won't be around 3-4 years from now.

I would definitley take RG3 over Cam and Kaepernick.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1042376]Yes.[/quote]

All that needs to be said.

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No.

Just to be difficult.

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Yes.

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Yes, RGIII is our Franchise QB.

As others have said, he needs to work with a top-notch QB coach. The lack of a top-tier QB coach for RGIII is one more thing that pisses me off about the way Mike Shanahan operates. Dan Snyder will spend the money necessary to win, so why wouldn't MS hire the best possible QB coach for his young Franchise QB? Just add that to the reasons that MS is culpable for the poor season we're suffering through.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1042424]Yes, RGIII is our Franchise QB.

As others have said, he needs to work with a [B]top-notch QB coach.[/B] The lack of a top-tier QB coach for RGIII is one more thing that pisses me off about the way Mike Shanahan operates. Dan Snyder will spend the money necessary to win, so why wouldn't MS hire the best possible QB coach for his young Franchise QB? Just add that to the reasons that MS is culpable for the poor season we're suffering through.[/quote]

Return of Zorn?

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Well......on the bright side, he would probably work well with our current budget woes.....

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This is the type of thread I would assume to see on extremeskins

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No doubt. I also don't question what we gave up for him. If you had a Powerball ticket that had a high probability of making you a millionaire you'd be willing to shell out more for that risk too.

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Yes. This is a dumb question, it's his second year. Is Kaepernick a franchise QB? He had been equally bad for the niners, but his D makes up for that. Is Matt Ryan a franchise QB? This is a question to ask when his rookie contract is up and wants to get paid, right he is what he is, we are married to him know matter who the coach is.

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I know it seems like a dumb thread and an even dumber question but it was prompted, quite frankly, by some of the dumb posts I saw in some other threads that seemed as though people had questions about it.. I'd be interested to hear from some that seemingly weren't sold in other threads (most recent postgame threads from the past few weeks, coaching change thread) on their thoughts.

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[quote=scowan;1042414]Wasn't last year Cam Newtons 2nd year? Cam threw for 3,869 yards, with 19 TD and 12 INTs. He rushed for 741 yards and 8 TDs and his team went 7-9.

Griffin through 10 games has thrown for 2,714 yards, with 14 TD and 10 INTs. He has rushed for 345 yards. Griffin is really on the same pace as Cam, and Cam was never coming back from a major knee injury. Griffin is playing worse than Luck and Wilson right now, [B]but I would argue those teams have a better defense than the Redskins[/B].

There are only a handful of guys I might take over RG3, but many of those guys are old and won't be around 3-4 years from now.

I would definitley take RG3 over Cam and Kaepernick.[/quote]

You need not argue this. With anyone.

On RGIII, I think the reality is that this year, unlike last year, he has been trying to develop as a pocket passer and we do not have an O-line that can establish and hold a pocket. They're a run blocking line (which they do well -- our rushing yards, especially for a team that has fallen behind early in just about every game this year -- speak to that). But we're asking RGIII to consistently be a good pocket passer with no pocket and basically two receivers in Garcon and Reed (Hankerson is hit or miss, Robinson shows up about every third game for 1 or 2 catches, Moss's production is way down, and Davis and now Wilson cannot see the field; oh, and for some reason, Kyle doesn't want to use Helu as a receiver, even though he's been strong as a receiver out of the backfield -- I cannot understand that).

So that all this, coupled with coming of a knee injury and the fact that everyone is keying on his desire to run, should have predictably led to some regression. Now, to be clear, he's also not making some throws he ought to make -- throws that last year he seemed to make fairly routinely. He has stretches where he's very accurate, but has slumps within games (1st 3 Qs v. Philly) or entire games (Minnesota) that we didn't see last year,

He needs (a) better talent around him, (b) better coaching -- particularly on decision-making, and (c) time to develop into the franschise QB that I am convinced he can be. He has the physical tools, and I think that the backslide this year aside, I think he has the mental tools to do it. So my answer is definitely yes, but every franschise QB needs a supporting cast. Look at Tom Brady -- he has no supporting cast and his numbers are way down. And he's about as consistently good as they come in this league.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1042418]No.

Just to be difficult.[/quote]

Strong post. Agree 100%

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It's amazing that a yr after this kid was our "savior" that now many people are questioning if he is even any good..

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If we march down and score yesterday to tie it up. This thread isn't even made?

We were 3rd n 25 because of our bone head penalties and he found a way to march down the field and give us a chance to win.

The kid is a baller, and he works hard. He's currently got no help on defense, and one of his biggest playmakers went out early.

He has a long road to finish the season, and I already know this team has more heart and character than any team in the NFL. I'm just hoping we can put it together because people's jobs are on the line.

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I believe Robert has the tools, the intelligence to be a franchise QB if he's put in a position to do so. My only gripe with Robert is his lack of awareness to what he says to the media. I would almost rather the team put a gag on him. It causes way too much drama that this team simply doesn't need. This isn't just about this past episode, this is over the course of his tenure since drafted.

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Yes, does anyone even remember how many times he was named NFC offensive player of the week last year? He is amazing and I don't by all this he will never be the same BS.

He has had his struggles this season for sure and I for one blame the injury and an offseason spent rehabbing. Give this kid a full healthy offseason and we will once again see the rookie who set the league on fire last year.

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Give the guy a full offseason where he can dedicate himself to developing rather than rehabbing and I guarantee we'll see a much improved QB next year. Of course the team around him also needs to improve needless to say.

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Yeah we need some more Lineman and another WR as well

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Yes. Next question.

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"Do You Unequivocally Believe RG3 Is Our Franchise QB?"

No.

I understand that with the injury and the missed offseason he is still, in practical terms a rookie.

My concern is with his ego. He appears to believe he knows it all despite blindingly obvious evidence to the contrary. Is it possible to improve significantly when you don't believe you need to?

That is my concern.