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There are a number of areas that can be questioned - selling the house for RG3 (I'm still in favor of this), passing on the chance to draft J.J. Watt or Robert Quinn in the 2011 draft (booooo!!!), etc. For me, the one decision I questioned from the beginning was ditching the 4-3, a perennial top-10 defense, and wasting resources building a 3-4 that would have been much better served bolstering the O-line and speed at WR. Shanahan knows exactly one thing about defense - he is clueless when it comes to building a good one. He broke the one part of the team that didn't need fixing when he arrived. What decision gives you the most heartburn with this broken team?

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Giving up the farm to get RG3. No first round picks for 2 years. Bad move.

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Donovan McNabb <-- the only caveat being it netted us Alfred Morris.

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Honestly I'd say the 3-4 defense and the whole McNabb fiasco.

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Letting Pat White go. Dafuq?

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Depends on what RG3 becomes. If he is bust it would be trading for him.
If not, McNabb.

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Haslett and Burns.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1044122]Donovan McNabb <-- the only caveat being it netted us Alfred Morris.[/quote]Morris is a pretty nice silver lining for suffering the McNabb fiasco.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1044124]Letting Pat White go. Dafuq?[/quote]

lol ... you're such a tease.

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Shanny f*cked up the rotation by not sitting RG3 after halftime in the Seattle game.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1044124]Letting Pat White go. [B]Dafuq[/B]?[/quote]

We're you also watching the southpark rerun last night instead of the game? :)

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[LIST=1]Hiring Haslett[*]Trading for McNabb and Jamal Brown[*]Re-signing a 37 year old MLB to contract when better (and cheaper) options were there[*]Not pulling Griffin in the Seattle playoff game.[*]Signing Josh Morgan to that moronic contract[*] Not releasing Moss in off-season [/LIST]


Here is my list of Shanahan major fuckups, and I've listed them according to how horrible they were.

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Not bringing in a more competent defensive coordinator. It's way too early to bitchin' about the RGIII move.

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Yeah last yr we were all saying it was a great trade for Griff, he's fine it's the other fuck ups that MS has done. Last night he looked like he knew he was done and didn't care

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I'd agree that the worst mistake Shanny made was scrapping a Top 10 4-3 defense that didn't need to be overhauled.

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Devaluing Haynewsworth and Davis to the point we wasted chances to get something good for them

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[quote=SmootSmack;1044147]Devaluing Haynewsworth and Davis to the point we wasted chances to get something good for them[/quote]


Yep what a waist of 4 years this was and has been, yeah we got RG3 and ALF but we r still a shitty team and a shaky future so really nothing has changed much

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[quote=SmootSmack;1044147]Devaluing Haynewsworth and Davis to the point we wasted chances to get something good for them[/quote]

In general, Shanny has not done a good job of protecting the value of the team's player assets. What happened with RGIII in the Seattle playoff is another example of that, IMO.

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Landry and Rogers could be added to the list.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1044147]Devaluing Haynewsworth and Davis to the point we wasted chances to get something good for them[/quote]

Seems minor compared to the major problems I see on the field. An extra 5th or maybe 2nd round pick? Dont think that woulda fixed much, but a issue that coulda been dealt with much better.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1044147]Devaluing Haynewsworth and Davis to the point we wasted chances to get something good for them[/quote]

Possibly as to Davis. AH was a waste of player - that we got anything at all for that trainwreck is amazing to me.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1044151]Landry and Rogers could be added to the list.[/quote]


yep, overall He's done a bad job as a HC, he should be fired and if not it's a damn shame that he isn't. I'm so over this staff

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Nepotism .

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[quote=SmootSmack;1044147]Devaluing Haynewsworth and Davis to the point we wasted chances to get something good for them[/quote]


To be honest, how much value did any of these guys have to begin with? Fred was a free agent this off-season and garnered really little to no interest. Should he have just played Fred even though Reed outplayed him, just so he could get his value up?

In regards to Haynesworthless, how much value could we really garner from him? Exactly what was he supposed to do with him? We heard what Cooley had to say about this clown. We saw him giving up on plays and laying down during the Philly MNF massacre.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1044147]Devaluing Haynewsworth and Davis to the point we wasted chances to get something good for them[/quote]

Not to mention the $36 million cap penalty that is associated with Haynesworth. Double f-up. The Davis thing will be Antonio Pierce & Carlos Rogers all over again. He's going to go somewhere next year where someone will overlook his lack of being perfect and find a way for him to make plays and he's gonna be a beast.

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The McNabb move was pretty inexcusable. Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.

Mike was a dead man walking prior to the cap penalty. The RG3 trade was a blatant attempt to liquidate future assets to put a winning product on the field immediately, because after two full seasons there was zero foundation.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1044141][LIST=1]Hiring Haslett[*]Trading for McNabb and Jamal Brown[*]Re-signing a 37 year old MLB to contract when better (and cheaper) options were there[*]Not pulling Griffin in the Seattle playoff game.[*]Signing Josh Morgan to that moronic contract[*] Not releasing Moss in off-season[*] Trading so much for RGIII when our team lacked so much talent.[*][/LIST]


Here is my list of Shanahan major fuckups, and I've listed them according to how horrible they were.[/quote]

I agree with all of this and will pass judgement on #7 in a couple of years.

Last year he was worth every penny, and I believe we will see it again next year. I am really disappointed in the staff's inability to train him properly even as the season has gone on. I get he rehabbed last offseason but why is he still making some of the same dumb mistakes.

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Switching to the 3-4 defense.

Almost all of our current problems can be traced directly to that bone-headed decision.

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I think the execution of the 3-4 switch was worse than the decision. Almost every team that moves from an even front to an odd front saw a first year bump. Our defense crashed. Lotta personnel errors in there. And Haslett's installation was sloppy.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1044172]The McNabb move was pretty inexcusable. Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.

Mike was a dead man walking prior to the cap penalty. The RG3 trade was a blatant attempt to liquidate future assets to put a winning product on the field immediately, because after two full seasons there was zero foundation.[/quote]

Gimme a break! Everyone and I mean everyone was onboard with the move to get RG3. The same people now saying it was too much to give away would have been screaming bloody murder that this organization wont do what's needed to win if they hadnt pulled the trigger to get RG3.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1044173]I agree with all of this and will pass judgement on #7 in a couple of years.

Last year he was worth every penny, and I believe we will see it again next year. I am really disappointed in the staff's inability to train him properly even as the season has gone on. I get he rehabbed last offseason but why is he still making some of the same dumb mistakes.[/quote]

Just want to clarify something. On #7, I put that down, not because I don't like RGIII or think he's a bust, but because that team lacked so much talent back then. I look at the talent on this OL and WR and see talent we missed out on because of missing draft picks. In fact, I'll remove that because it really isn't a "fuck up" per say.

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I've said we had a "top 10" defense before Shanny and Haslett. Looked it up on nfl.com ([URL="http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=true&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=false&Submit=Go"]example link[/URL]):

2013(so far): #28 yds/g, #31 pts/g.
2012: #28 yds/g, #22 pts/g.
2011: #13 yds/g, #21 pts/g.
2010: #31 yds/g, #21 pts/g.
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2009: #23 yds/g, #18 pts/g.
2008: #4 yds/g, #6 pts/g.
2007: #8 yds/g, #11 pts/g.
2006: #31 yds/g, #27 pts/g.
2005: #9 yds/g, #9 pts/g.

It's a bit rosy colored to suggest we had a sure top 10 D the past few years, but [U]changing our D is still the worst mistake Shanny's made[/U]. How much of this blame is the switch to the 3-4, and how much is Haslett, I dunno.

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It has to be this trade. Two number one's and a second rounder? Now the number one pick is going to be a top 3 pick. Plus the player that we traded for may not be a good fit for the NFL game. This had disaster written all over it when they made the deal. However, I would like to know if Shanahan was 100% on board with the RG3 trade.

The 3-4 also has been a mess and that's 100% on Shanahan.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1044172]Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.[/quote]

This is what I can't get with in terms of logic. Exactly who else was he supposed to get? Don't forget, his first year in the uncapped year, there was a lock down on Free Agents so he was limited, and year 2 was the lock out.

So who exactly should have have gotten?

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1044173]I agree with all of this and will pass judgement on #7 in a couple of years.

Last year he was worth every penny, and I believe we will see it again next year. [B]I am really disappointed in the staff's inability to train him properly even as the season has gone on.[/B] I get he rehabbed last offseason but why is he still making some of the same dumb mistakes.[/quote]

Here's a pop quiz for you: Name the Redskins QB Coach. You don't know? I didn't think you could do it.

Add this to the list of Shanahan failures: The failure to hire quality assisstant coaches to "coach up" the players.

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I wonder how many more people would think the RGIII trade was bad when they realize we gave up 3 first rounders and a second rounder to draft him.

I also wonder how many of the same people loved the trade last season.

Full disclosure: I hated the trade when it happened, and thought getting Matt Flynn and keeping our picks was a better option. And changed my mind and loved the trade last season. So what do I know? :rolleyes:

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[quote=irish;1044178]Gimme a break! Everyone and I mean everyone was onboard with the move to get RG3. [/quote]


I wouldn't say that. There were some that were neither for nor against the move all together. I loved RGIII as a prospect, but I was very cautious about giving that much up for a team that needed so much. I'll still say that even if he turns out to be a HoFer. Also, you can look at my post history and verify this as well. It's not that I didn't think RGIII wasn't worth what we gave up, but that we weren't in the shape to give up that much. Once the trade is done though, there is no sense of worrying about what was given up though. It's a gamble, one that could pay off or set us back. That is still to be determined.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1044172]The McNabb move was pretty inexcusable. Going into the second season with Grossman on top of the depth chart and Ryan Torain at RB was pretty much the death knell on the Shanahan era.

Mike was a dead man walking prior to the cap penalty. [B]The RG3 trade was a blatant attempt to liquidate future assets to put a winning product on the field immediately, because after two full seasons there was zero foundation[/B].[/quote]

Blantant attempt to finally get a franchise QB. Right, thats the cost unfortunately.

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I've never seen the 3-4 as the problem, just the players and coach running it.

The legendary top 10 4-3 we had was old and lacked playmakers and needed an overhaul anyway.

As far as the trade that everyone is knocking now don't forget that the cap penalty came afterwards. Gotta think that trade doesn't happen if they knew the cap hit was coming.

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[quote=Chico23231;1044194]Blantant attempt to finally get a franchise QB. Right, thats the cost unfortunately.[/quote]It wasn't the cost for any other franchise in history. Just this one.