It's a good time to get a new HC
 

I think we can all agree that this season is one of the worst in the history of the franchise.
There aren't many positives from this season but one positive is the cap penalty prevented us from bringing on horrible free agent contracts.

If Shanahan were to stay another year, we undoubtedly would sign a bunch of Shanahan guys and be stuck with them for the next 4 to 6 years or take a huge cap hit.

The roster has about 10 older guys making a lot of money we can cut and not take a major cap hit.

I hope the new staff realizes that it's time to get younger and that a 30+ year old player like Fletcher or Carriker aren't going to be able to help us down the road, we need to develop young talent.

Here is a short list of players I feel could be cut and their base salary:
Morgan 9Mil
Fletcher 5.5mil
Carriker 4.7Mil
Bowen 4.4Mil
Chester 3Mil
Montgomery 3Mil
Cofield 4.5Mil
Meriweather 3Mil


The majority of these guys will be gone but I don't know how realistic it is to replace both guards and 3 on the DLine.
Unfortunately we are missing what will probably be the first pick in next years draft but at least we have the finances to bring on guys the new HC wants.

With that said, that doesn't mean there will be good players available but anything has to be better than what we have now right?

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I feel like we kinda need Cofield and Bowen, as we don't have any better options at DT and at the end position. As much as I love Chris Neild, I don't think he's starting caliber, it'd leave us either trying to sign a FA 3-4 DT (assuming we don't switch back to the 4-3) or drafting one. Golston and Jarvis Jenkins have practically been invisible, so much so that I forget they're on the team sometimes.

Morgan has been riding the pine. Bye.
Fletch is done anyway. Bye.
After repeated knee surgeries over a 2-3 year period, I'm not sure if Carriker should really be playing anyway.
Chester was garbage this year. Bye.
I think we should probably hold onto Monty.
Meriweather can't stay healthy OR play smart. Bye.

Why isn't Polumbus on here? He's supposed to be getting $1 million next year. DEFINITELY BYE.

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Tyler Polumbus should be the first one cut from the offensive line. He his horrible. Followed by everybody else not named Trent Williams.

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I don't think $1Mil for a backup right tackle is a bad thing. Tackles are much harder to get than guards.

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[quote=jamf;1047340]I don't think $1Mil for a backup right tackle is a bad thing. Tackles are much harder to get than guards.[/quote]

I don't even want him as a backup. I know we didn't have a better option this year but that guy is offensive line poison. Use a dummy, or.. a rottweiler, or... I dunno a woolly mammoth or some shit.

Get Polumbus far far away from the Redskins uniform. And he can take Fred Davis ass with him.

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I believe they probably will find a settlement with Bowen. It's not because he is that bad, it's just the injury and his age after recovery.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1047341]I don't even want him as a backup. I know we didn't have a better option this year but that guy is offensive line poison. Use a dummy, or.. a rottweiler, or... I dunno a woolly mammoth or some shit.

Get Polumbus far far away from the Redskins uniform. And he can take Fred Davis ass with him.[/quote]

I vote for a rottweiler.

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Fletcher isn't under contract for next year.

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[quote=jamf;1047340]I don't think $1Mil for a backup right tackle is a bad thing. Tackles are much harder to get than guards.[/quote]

I agree with this. Just because he's a terrible starter doesn't mean we should cut him. However, if we want RG3 to have a long career, guys like Polumbus need to be relegated to backup duty, and we need to start bringing in some hog-mauleys like Cyril Richardson. No more 6-2, 284 pound linemen like Lichtensteiger.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1047336]I feel like we kinda need Cofield and Bowen, as we don't have any better options at DT and at the end position. As much as I love Chris Neild, I don't think he's starting caliber, it'd leave us either trying to sign a FA 3-4 DT (assuming we don't switch back to the 4-3) or drafting one. Golston and Jarvis Jenkins have practically been invisible, so much so that I forget they're on the team sometimes.

Morgan has been riding the pine. Bye.
Fletch is done anyway. Bye.
After repeated knee surgeries over a 2-3 year period, I'm not sure if Carriker should really be playing anyway.
Chester was garbage this year. Bye.
I think we should probably hold onto Monty.
Meriweather can't stay healthy OR play smart. Bye.

Why isn't Polumbus on here? He's supposed to be getting $1 million next year. DEFINITELY BYE.[/quote]

You said everything I was thinking, except that I think it's too early to give up on Jarvis Jenkins and I actually saw some hustle out of him the last few games. I think he might have a mean streak too.

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Defense:
London Fletcher, ILB - 38 years old- GO
Brian Orakpo, OLB - 27 years old- Stay
Chris Baker, NT/DE - 26 years old- Stay
Nick Barnett, ILB - 32 years old- GO
EJ Biggers, CB/S - 26 years old- Stay
Reed Doughty, S - 31 years old- GO
Jose Gumbs, S - 25 years old- GO
DeAngelo Hall, CB - 29 years old- Stay
Rob Jackson, OLB/Playmaker - 28 years old- Stay
Bryan Kehl, ILB - 29 years old- GO
Jerome Murphy, CB - 26 years old- GO
Perry Riley, ILB - 25 years old- Stay
Darryl Tapp, OLB - 29 years old- Stay
Josh Wilson, CB - 28 years old- GO
Doug Worthington, DE - 26 years old- GO

Offense:
Dezmon Briscoe, WR - 24 years old- GO Why didn't we use him?
Fred Davis, TE - 27 years old- ???
Rex Grossman, QB - 33 years old-GO
Josh Morgan, WR - 28 years old- GO
Santana Moss, WR - 34 years old- GO
Aldrick Robinson, WR - 25 years old- STAY

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Briscoe is on IR.

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[quote=jamf;1047331]I think we can all agree that this season is one of the worst in the history of the franchise.
There aren't many positives from this season but one positive is the cap penalty prevented us from bringing on horrible free agent contracts.

If Shanahan were to stay another year, we undoubtedly would sign a bunch of Shanahan guys and be stuck with them for the next 4 to 6 years or take a huge cap hit.

The roster has about 10 older guys making a lot of money we can cut and not take a major cap hit.

I hope the new staff realizes that it's time to get younger and that a 30+ year old player like Fletcher or Carriker aren't going to be able to help us down the road, we need to develop young talent.

Here is a short list of players I feel could be cut and their base salary:
Morgan 9Mil
Fletcher 5.5mil
Carriker 4.7Mil
Bowen 4.4Mil
Chester 3Mil
Montgomery 3Mil
Cofield 4.5Mil
Meriweather 3Mil


The majority of these guys will be gone [B]but I don't know how realistic it is to replace both guards and[/B] 3 on the DLine.
Unfortunately we are missing what will probably be the first pick in next years draft but at least we have the finances to bring on guys the new HC wants.

With that said, that doesn't mean there will be good players available but anything has to be better than what we have now right?[/quote]

Well its not like they are doing any guarding now.

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What has Josh Morgan done for the team? Anybody .....? Anybody .....?

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[quote=CrustyRedskin;1047425]What has Josh Morgan done for the team? Anybody .....? Anybody .....?[/quote]He would tell you, but coach said he couldn't talk. Coach said he couldn't play football and couldn't talk.

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Davis is as good as gone and Jerome Murphy was released in order to promote Minnifield to the 53 man roster.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1047341]I don't even want him as a backup. I know we didn't have a better option this year but that guy is offensive line poison. Use a dummy, or.. a rottweiler, or... I dunno a woolly mammoth or some shit.

Get Polumbus far far away from the Redskins uniform. And he can take Fred Davis ass with him.[/quote]

Hahahahahaha... That's great!!

[QUOTE=GTripp0012;1047438]He would tell you, but coach said he couldn't talk. Coach said he couldn't play football and couldn't talk.[/QUOTE]

Lmao and all of this is true! Haha what x sad state we r in

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[quote=jamf;1047331]I think we can all agree that this season is one of the worst in the history of the franchise.
There aren't many positives from this season but one positive is the cap penalty prevented us from bringing on horrible free agent contracts.

If Shanahan were to stay another year, we undoubtedly would sign a bunch of Shanahan guys and be stuck with them for the next 4 to 6 years or take a huge cap hit.

The roster has about 10 older guys making a lot of money we can cut and not take a major cap hit.

I hope the new staff realizes that it's time to get younger and that a 30+ year old player like Fletcher or Carriker aren't going to be able to help us down the road, we need to develop young talent.

Here is a short list of players I feel could be cut and their base salary:
Morgan 9Mil
Fletcher 5.5mil
Carriker 4.7Mil
Bowen 4.4Mil
Chester 3Mil
Montgomery 3Mil
Cofield 4.5Mil
Meriweather 3Mil


The majority of these guys will be gone but I don't know how realistic it is to replace both guards and 3 on the DLine.
Unfortunately we are missing what will probably be the first pick in next years draft but at least we have the finances to bring on guys the new HC wants.

With that said, that doesn't mean there will be good players available but anything has to be better than what we have now right?[/quote]

Name me one guy on that list other than Fletch that deserves to be resigned? And even Fletch has obviously lost a few steps and probably will retire regardless. I would keep both guards as depth and Cofield is serviceable. Everyone else can be replaced with some decent undrafted FAs if need be. At least we would have some more youth and speed.

[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;1047425]What has Josh Morgan done for the team? Anybody .....? Anybody .....?[/QUOTE]

He is one of the best blocking WR's in the league and we were #1 in rushing last year, and will finish pretty high this year too. I think they over paid for Josh and misused him as a kick returner, but I think we can all agree he wasn't the main issue on ST.

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I'll never understand Morgan's fall off and I still don't think RG3 has any confidence in his receivers, I was looking at the NFC East in terms of WR targets and Garcon has 145. By far the most out of any NFC East #1... The next guy with the most targets... Jordan Reed. With 59. Most of the other teams have #2s have targets somewhere in the 80's.

RG3 relies heavily on Garcon, with Reed as the backup. Even injured ass Hankerson has more targets than all the other receivers on this team. Something about that seems off.

**I lied, Moss has 60. So its Garcon, Moss, Reed then Hank and two of those dudes are injured* Blah. We really don't have a number #2WR lol

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[quote=Mattyk;1047405]Briscoe is on IR.[/quote]

Crawford will be back too. The NFL is so random and unpredictable. Teams with essentially the same roster routinely go from good to crappy and crappy to good in just a single season. A middle of the pack special teams unit and exceptional play from the QB position and this 3-10 team could easily have 3-4 more wins.

There are some good young pieces to work with. Despite the lack of a first round pick, they should be able to find some starters in the draft and add 4-6 starters via free agency. Plus, we'll play a last place schedule next year. It's not the end of the world. The Skins could be right back in the mix next year.

I am on the 5th stage of grief. Acceptance;)

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1047507]I'll never understand Morgan's fall off and I still don't think RG3 has any confidence in his receivers, I was looking at the NFC East in terms of WR targets and Garcon has 145. By far the most out of any NFC East #1... The next guy with the most targets... Jordan Reed. With 59. Most of the other teams have #2s have targets somewhere in the 80's.

RG3 relies heavily on Garcon, with Reed as the backup. Even injured ass Hankerson has more targets than all the other receivers on this team. Something about that seems off.

**I lied, Moss has 60. So its Garcon, Moss, Reed then Hank and two of those dudes are injured* Blah. We really don't have a number #2WR lol[/quote]

He doesn't trust that they can jump 5 feet in the air to catch is sail-balls. Maybe that will change when rocket propelled cleats are invented.

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[quote=44Deezel;1047517]Crawford will be back too. The NFL is so random and unpredictable. [B]Teams with essentially the same roster routinely go from good to crappy and crappy to good in just a single season.[/B] A middle of the pack special teams unit and exceptional play from the QB position and this 3-10 team could easily have 3-4 more wins.

There are some good young pieces to work with. Despite the lack of a first round pick, they should be able to find some starters in the draft and add 4-6 starters via free agency. Plus, we'll play a last place schedule next year. It's not the end of the world. The Skins could be right back in the mix next year.

I am on the 5th stage of grief. Acceptance;)[/quote]

Like the Texans, I actually like them. To me they're the good guys in Texas so I feel for them. That organization is in disarray as well, as their team started falling apart right around when Arian Foster got injured. Falcons are also another team that should be good this year but can't ever get their shit together. Essentially all of our teams are generally the same as they were last year, had a decent (if not good) solid core of guys and are going through a complete collapse this year.

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[quote=44Deezel;1047519]He doesn't trust that they can jump 5 feet in the air to catch is sail-balls. Maybe that will change when rocket propelled cleats are invented.[/quote]

They were talking about that during the game, that RG3 said that sometimes hes's going to throw balls high, so the receivers need to be able to get up there to get them. Eh.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1047526]They were talking about that during the game, that RG3 said that sometimes hes's going to throw balls high, so the receivers need to be able to get up there to get them. Eh.[/quote]

If anything, they should be having trouble trusting him and where his balls will land. BUT, I have no doubt about his work ethic and smarts. He'll do everything he can to get better in the off-season and could return to form next year. Wouldn't surprise anyone.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1047526]They were talking about that during the game, that RG3 said that sometimes hes's going to throw balls high, so the receivers need to be able to get up there to get them. Eh.[/quote]


Wait, He habitually overthrows WRs [B]on purpose?[/B] That's good for the old completion percentage.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1047507]I'll never understand Morgan's fall off and I still don't think RG3 has any confidence in his receivers, I was looking at the NFC East in terms of WR targets and Garcon has 145. By far the most out of any NFC East #1... The next guy with the most targets... Jordan Reed. With 59. Most of the other teams have #2s have targets somewhere in the 80's.

RG3 relies heavily on Garcon, with Reed as the backup. Even injured ass Hankerson has more targets than all the other receivers on this team. Something about that seems off.

**I lied, Moss has 60. So its Garcon, Moss, Reed then Hank and two of those dudes are injured* Blah. We really don't have a number #2WR lol[/quote]

Its because RG waits for the WR to get open instead of anticipating them becoming open. Like when a WR comes out of a break most QB's will throw anticipating they will be open but RG waits until they break turn then get open. By then they are covered so the WR has to keep going to try and get open again.

Some would say that's because he missed so much time but he had had all season to develop chemistry with his WR's. What I have seen they are going backwards.

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What I'm not seeing RG3 doing and that looking off the defense. Looking at other WR's then throwing to his intended target. No, RG3 takes the snap and will stare down his intended WR while in the pocket and I think this is why we see more batted balls and INT's. Oh and he does not pump fake. God forbid you make the FS/SS run to the wrong side of the field, or pump fake and cause the DL to jump too soon so you can get the ball past them.

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having a #2 WR who is pretty much just a blocker is a major problem. It's time to put receivers on the roster to help out our passing game so we can actually move the ball on third downs.

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[quote=Hijinx;1047562]Wait, He habitually overthrows WRs [B]on purpose?[/B] That's good for the old completion percentage.[/quote]


Pretty sure they were just saying that RG says sometimes he will overthrow his receivers and they will make a great play and come up with the catch, just like sometimes he will put the ball on the numbers and sometimes they will drop it...in other words, nobody is perfect...

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1047594]Pretty sure they were just saying that RG says sometimes he will overthrow his receivers and they will make a great play and come up with the catch, just like sometimes he will put the ball on the numbers and sometimes they will drop it...in other words, nobody is perfect...[/quote]

I think that's exactly how he meant it.

Look, RG isn't the problem. He isn't even "a" problem for that matter. If there's a concern to be had about the kid, it's that he becomes disillusioned with the franchise and wants to take his talent elsewhere. But I don't think it's his MO and if Dan, Bruce etc play these next few months right we could seriously fly in the seasons ahead.

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[quote=The Goat;1047598]I think that's exactly how he meant it.

Look, RG isn't the problem. He isn't even "a" problem for that matter. [B]If there's a concern to be had about the kid, it's that he becomes disillusioned with the franchise and wants to take his talent elsewhere.[/B] But I don't think it's his MO and if Dan, Bruce etc play these next few months right we could seriously fly in the seasons ahead.[/quote]

I think if we make this coaching change now, the threat of that significantly diminishes, specifically because we'll be searching for an offensive minded HC that is interested in maximizing Griffin's potential.