Redskins place franchise tag on Orakpo
 

BREAKING: Team has announced franchise tag has been placed on LB @rak98 - more details to come on [url]http://t.co/jdM7y5Ys0H[/url].

Guess it is official

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I would have rather made him test the market. We have too many holes to fill.

Sorry - copied twitter announcement. Here is a CSN link [url]http://www.csnwashington.com/football-washington-redskins/talk/redskins-apply-franchise-tag-orakpo[/url]

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Needs to work on a 2nd & possible 3rd pass rush move.

He's a 10 sack guy so I'm glad he's back for another yr

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I like Rak, but he's not worth 11 mil. I put him on the Cliff Anvril level and he's currently being paid 8mil/yr in Seattle.

Put this in perspective:


2012- Orakpo is out all but 2 games and we win the division with improved defense from mid point till end.

2013- Orakpo is in entire season and our defense ranks one of worst in NFL, and team goes 3-13.

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SO Rak is a bad luck charm?

Way to many factors that are the difference between the W/L record of 2012 and 2013.

2012 the offense led the team. Defense was still bad. RG III was incredible in unleashing the R/O on the NFL and Fletch was stellar in the second half of the year.

2013 all three phases of the Redskins game were flawed. This past year it was a mess all around, Fletch showed his age. The young guys in the secondary played that way. Wilson was AWFUL. Rak, Kerrigan, and DHall were the lone bright spots on a terribe defense.

So comparing 2012 - 2013 isn't even closing to comparing apples to apples with Rak being the only difference in the two.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1061266]I like Rak, but he's not worth 11 mil. I put him on the Cliff Anvril level and he's currently being paid 8mil/yr in Seattle.

Put this in perspective:


2012- Orakpo is out all but 2 games and we win the division with improved defense from mid point till end.

2013- Orakpo is in entire season and our defense ranks one of worst in NFL, and team goes 3-13.[/quote]

I don't think it's fair to place the fortunes of an entire defense on one guy, good or bad. I would love to have Rak back at between 8-10 mil per year, but both sides knew that wouldn't happen right now. Overpaying big name free agents is a way of life for shitty NFL teams (like us) looking to jump start their offseason, all it takes is one team to offer him a 5 year 60 mil deal with 30 mil guaranteed for him to bolt town on the next flight. In today's market where top shelf players are rare it's practically an inevitability when one does reach the market. I guarantee if he left and we were stuck with someone like Rob Jackson starting the whole year fans would've been crying about why we didn't pay up. If Rob Jackson was good enough to start our coaches would find ways to get him on the field more, instead of just as a stopgap when starters need to catch their breath.

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[quote=artmonkforhallofamein07;1061270]SO Rak is a bad luck charm?

Way to many factors that are the difference between the W/L record of 2012 and 2013.

2012 the offense led the team. Defense was still bad. RG III was incredible in unleashing the R/O on the NFL and Fletch was stellar in the second half of the year.

2013 all three phases of the Redskins game were flawed. This past year it was a mess all around, Fletch showed his age. The young guys in the secondary played that way. Wilson was AWFUL. Rak, Kerrigan, and DHall were the lone bright spots on a terribe defense.

So comparing 2012 - 2013 isn't even closing to comparing apples to apples with Rak being the only difference in the two.[/quote]

Yea blaming one player seems asinine. I would agree Rak and Dhall were the studs last year, not so much Kerrigan just because he completely disappeared (which he always seems to do), even more so than Orakpo has in his past. They both aren't great but a one year deal is worth it.

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I'm OK with the $11.5M cap number. It's not ideal, but hopefully this is a means to an end when it comes to getting him to sign a longer term deal which will reduce the cap number.

Still, elite pass rushers are impossible to find. And yes, 10 sacks is elite when you're a 3-4 OLB and not rushing every down.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/5803/how-others-rank-brian-orakpo]How others rank Brian Orakpo - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

Just in case anyone isn't sure how other teams would view Orakpo. I don't have any doubts if we hadn't tagged him there sure as hell would have been another team out there willing to pay him what he wanted.

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Has anyone ever franchised a guy and then traded him?

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1061277]Has anyone ever franchised a guy and then traded him?[/quote]

The Skins. Sean Gilbert.

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[quote=mooby;1061276][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/5803/how-others-rank-brian-orakpo]How others rank Brian Orakpo - Washington Redskins Blog - ESPN[/url]

Just in case anyone isn't sure how other teams would view Orakpo. [B]I don't have any doubts if we hadn't tagged him there sure as hell would have been another team out there willing to pay him what he wanted.[/B][/quote]

Yep. Oakland has close to 70 million in cap space, and could use a pass rusher like Orakpo.

I'm glad we've brought him back. Now, get a long term deal done and resign Riley.

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If we're resigning Riley, it better be on the cheap. That same article discussing how others view Orakpo shows how Riley is practically viewed as a nobody. He's not bad but I don't think anybody will pay him more than D Hall or Chris Baker money.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1061277]Has anyone ever franchised a guy and then traded him?[/quote]

It's very very rare because the price is so high. Who wants to trade multiple high picks AND fork over a huge contract.

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[quote=Schneed10;1061280]If we're resigning Riley, it better be on the cheap. That same article discussing how others view Orakpo shows how Riley is practically viewed as a nobody. He's not bad but I don't think anybody will pay him more than D Hall or Chris Baker money.[/quote]

I'm fine with Riley testing the market, in the end I think both sides know this is the best situation for him.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1061278]The Skins. Sean Gilbert.[/quote]

I thought that was just an offer sheet that brought in 2 first round picks. Carolina had already negotiated a contract with him and tried to work a trade out but it didnt happen by the day of the draft. So Carolina just signed the offer sheet with Gilbert after the draft, pushing the two firsts back a year, which the Redskins didnt match.

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So what implications does this have on the cap? His cap number is 11.5, so does that mean that will take our available cap down to below 20 mil? Sorry for the ignorance on this cap stuff.

Assuming that our cap is now slightly below 20 mil, what possible scenario do we have in signing free agents?

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[quote=mbedner3420;1061260]I would have rather made him test the market. We have too many holes to fill.[/quote]

Letting him walk just creates another hole.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1061277]Has anyone ever franchised a guy and then traded him?[/quote]

Didnt we do that with Champion Bailey?

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[quote=chrisl13;1061284]So what implications does this have on the cap? His cap number is 11.5, so does that mean that will take our available cap down to below 20 mil? Sorry for the ignorance on this cap stuff.

Assuming that our cap is now slightly below 20 mil, what possible scenario do we have in signing free agents?[/quote]

$20M is still a lot of room and we haven't made any cuts/restructures yet.

And talks will still continue to get Orakpo locked up long term.

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anyone know how negotiations are going?

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[quote=Mattyk;1061293]And talks will still continue to get Orakpo locked up long term.[/quote]


Not at the type of salary he's wanting. He's not going to get that 11-14mil/yr contract from us.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1061301]Not at the type of salary he's wanting. He's not going to get that 11-14mil/yr contract from us.[/quote]

Well, for now at least he's getting $11.5.

Do you really think his long term deal is going to be for significantly less??

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I hope they did this in order to iron out a long-term deal with him... We have so many holes to fill, it really hurts that over 30% of our FA Cap is going to one player...

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[quote=Mattyk;1061293]$20M is still a lot of room and we haven't made any cuts/restructures yet.

And talks will still continue to get Orakpo locked up long term.[/quote]

Thanks. Just wanna make sure we can still adequately address our other holes with good guys.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1061301]Not at the type of salary he's wanting. He's not going to get that 11-14mil/yr contract from us.[/quote]

Many folks in Rak's situation take a little less per year but on a multi-year deal. They rightly value long-term security over short-term gain.

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All that's going to matter is what the guaranteed money is. They can make the deal look pretty on paper, but again the guaranteed money is all that really matters. And there could be some sort of team void option built in after year 3, once the money really gets crazy per year.

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[quote=chrisl13;1061284]So what implications does this have on the cap? His cap number is 11.5, so does that mean that will take our available cap down to below 20 mil? Sorry for the ignorance on this cap stuff.

Assuming that our cap is now slightly below 20 mil, what possible scenario do we have in signing free agents?[/quote]

In this case, yes. He will be a $11.5M cap hit this year. We carry him at $11.5M as of today, our available cap space is now the $30M, less Orakpo at $11.5, less D Hall's hit of $2.0, less the Chris Baker hit of $2.5 or whatever, plus the 3 guys getting bumped out of the top 51 at 1.5. So current cap space should be in the neighborhood of $15.5M.

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[quote=Fiversons;1061305]I hope they did this in order to iron out a long-term deal with him... We have so many holes to fill, it really hurts that over 30% of our FA Cap is going to one player...[/quote]

That "FA Cap" isn't a set number though, they can always restructure contracts, cut players, etc. There isn't any reason to assume we can't maneuver within the cap to get the players we want.

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@ MOOBY

That "FA Cap" isn't a set number though, they can always restructure contracts, cut players, etc. There isn't any reason to assume we can't maneuver within the cap to get the players we want.

Yes but committing that much money to one player worries me when we have so many holes to fill on the lines, MLB and secondary... I like Sackpo and want him in DC, but for more than 10 million a year isn't worth that IMO.... Good organizations don't overpay for talent, and replace them in house, which seems to be a real problem we have...

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[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/61179/five-thoughts-brian-orakpo]Five thoughts: Washington Redskins' Brian Orakpo - ESPN[/url]

Good read from earlier today

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[B][SIZE="4"]@RapSheet

What is next for #Redskins pass-rusher Brian Orakpo? I’m told he has no plans to sign the franchise tag as of now. May be a while[/SIZE].[/B]



Guess he didn't like the tag too much.

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He will

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So here's my issue with this whole situation (and I'm pro using the tag on Orakpo):

Prior to Mike Shanahan's dismissal, the Redskins had a real issue with evaluating their own talent. Couldn't do it. So Mike Shanahan goes.

The Redskins are now internally conflicted on how much Orakpo is worth. He're the big issue: whether he is going to cost $10 mil/year or $13 mil/year, he's ACTUALLY worth a lot more and only will be limited in earnings by the salary cap. So NO MATTER WHAT, you are getting him at a favorable price.

The "percentage of the salary cap" argument that the Redskins are having internally right now is a red herring. Here's why: not every free agent you target is going to seriously consider Washington. Some will, some won't. And all are going to consider the best offer more heavily than the town that wants them. There is no such thing as a free agent "bargain" in March.

So whether Orakpo takes up 8.7% of the cap he currently is or the 5% of the cap they would have wanted to pay for him, they still have 14% of the cap that is unused at the moment. And Orakpo isn't going to be able to get true market value in a capped system. Basically, the Redskins are really struggling to properly value a player on their own roster when it needs to be an obvious decision to all parties involved that no matter what you believe he's worth, he's going to have to sign for less than that.

Player valuation is still very much an issue here. That's going to be an issue later in the offseason when it's time to extend Orakpo.

They still have to agree to terms with him. If the franchise tag keeps him here in 2014, but he walks away in 2015, they haven't really accomplished anything. This buys them a lot more time, but if the front office doesn't get it's crap together, it's meaningless.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1061323][B][SIZE="4"]@RapSheet

What is next for #Redskins pass-rusher Brian Orakpo? I’m told he has no plans to sign the franchise tag as of now. May be a while[/SIZE].[/B]



Guess he didn't like the tag too much.[/quote]Or he gets a free offseason away from football until he signs it, and doesn't get paid to be at the facility in the meantime.

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After they make their key cuts, the Redskins will be in the ballpark of $25 million in cap space.

If Bruce Allen sticks tightly to his desire to not overpay anyone, it's not even going to be possible to spend to the salary cap this year. The only way he can spend $25 million in cap space is to overpay guys. The free agent class of 2006 (Archuleta, Randle El, Lloyd (traded, but extended), and Carter) cost just a bit over $12 million on the cap that year. And that was the definition of careless spending.

The idea that the franchise tag on Orakpo does anything at all to the Redskins offseason plans is a stretch. You check a position off the list. That's easy.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1061326]So here's my issue with this whole situation (and I'm pro using the tag on Orakpo):

Prior to Mike Shanahan's dismissal, the Redskins had a real issue with evaluating their own talent. Couldn't do it. So Mike Shanahan goes.

The Redskins are now internally conflicted on how much Orakpo is worth.

The "percentage of the salary cap" argument that the Redskins are having internally right now is a red herring.

This buys them a lot more time, but if the front office doesn't get it's crap together, it's meaningless.[/quote]

Coaches don't give a shit about the salary cap. They'll blow it all right now and fuck the future if it means winning now. (which they have to do) You don't think Haz is trying to save his ass by wanting Orakpo back? He knows his ass is on the line and he doesn't care about the cap ramifications for the future.

Also, maybe they didn't have a problem evaluating talent, but a problem with coaches listening to evaluators? That seems to be the common thing here. Vinny didn't listen. Mike didn't listen. Apparently this coaching staff isn't listening.

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No big deal with the tag. Yeah Rak isn't a 11 million dollar player but we're also not tied to him long term either. I like this move for now. Let's see how it plays out. We still have plenty of room to make some improvements.