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looks like a good lineup to me, I think our d will be much much better..

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Two rookies on the O-Line?
They gonna give it to Long right away?
Oh boy.....here we go.

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it might be the mid-season line-up, but not game 1

is the defense playing a 3-3-5 ?

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I think the only big change we'll see is possibly Long over Chester. Moses will take a little while to develop and even with a new regime, I imagine they'll go with experience over potential (at least initially).

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1072473]I think the only big change we'll see is possibly Long over Chester. Moses will take a little while to develop and even with a new regime, I imagine they'll go with experience over potential (at least initially).[/quote]

Agreed. I think you'll have Polumbus playing most of the year; still need to see how the young guys look; but it would be pretty shocking to see two rookies on the same side of the line.

Also, that defense is missing a glaring spot and thats the ILB next to Riley. They kind of copped out on that and just added an additional corner. Hopefully Robinson can stay healthy. Thats the one position I was very surprised we did not address.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1072473]I think the only big change we'll see is possibly Long over Chester. Moses will take a little while to develop and even with a new regime, I imagine they'll go with experience over potential (at least initially).[/quote]

if they cut Chester before the season starts they can save $2.7 million dollars... whether it is Long or LeRebius on day 1 it doesn't mater

I think there is a chance a good veteran player could be put on waivers after the final cut, and the Redskins will be second in line to claim him, if they have cap space ... another good O lineman, or D lineman would help

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The offensive line-up looks realistic except for having two rookie starters on the same side of the line as others have said. I could see [I]maybe[/I] Long getting into the starter position early on in the season but Moses will be a late season/next year starter IMO.

The defense is intriguing, 3-3-5 sounds exotic! LOL I think it will look something more like this:

DE: Jason Hatcher
NT: Barry Coffield
DE: Jarvis Jenkins/Trent Murphy

OLB: Ryan Kerrigan
ILB: Perry Riley
ILB: Keenan Robinson/Trent Murphy
OLB Brian Orakpo

CB: Deangelo Hall
CB: David Amerson
FS: Ryan Clark
SS: Brandon Merriwether

I think they'll move Murphy around the line and maybe even put him at ILB on blitzing plays every now and then.

At corner I believe Amerson will make that jump in year two and become a solid starter for us. The guy had relatively good stats for a rookie corner with 10 Passes Defended, 2 Interceptions (One returned for TD), and a forced fumble along with 40 solo tackles. He's got good size and seems to be learning and really came on strong at the end. I'm hoping with him being a bigger bodied corner he can help mentor Breeland to play at the same level.

Now if we could get safety addressed in the next year or so we may have a decent secondary forming up along with a good pass rush.

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Trying to figure out why people think Moses wont start day 1

Yeah I mean I think we should go moses game 1. Can he be any worse than what we had out there last yr?

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I also think Moses and Long start game 1, our right side was utter crap last season, no reason why Long and Moses cant beat out Polombus and Chester

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My biggest thing is that I hope the best players get a shot. For me, it started with Gibbs 2.0, they had their guys, they drafted guys, and the drafted players had almost no shot. Don't draft a guy if you have no intention of giving them game experience. Most people thought LeRibeus acquitted himself pretty well against Seattle. I'm not advocating for someone to play based on draft status, but was there any reason that Gettis/LeRibeus/Compton shouldn't have gotten some game experience (ESPECIALLY when RG3 was shut down)?

IMO, you'll never know what you get in late round draft picks if you don't play them. Maybe they bust, but maybe you get a diamond in the rough. I mean hell, would we even know Alfred Morris's name if it wasn't for injury?

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With a new coaching staff there's bound to be some unpredictable shakeup. Considering the focus on the OL so far it seems likely they aren't that impressed by what was on the field last year so I wouldn't be surprised by anything there outside of LT.

Let's hope moses is half as good as trent is. Btw I wonder where he will be rated on the top 100 list? I'd say 50 ish.

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I don't see Moses starting. I think the right side on opening day will be Gettis and Polumbus.

I also think Chris Baker will start over Jenkins, who to be honest I wouldn't be surprised doesn't make the final roster

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Put the best players on the field, regardless of draft status, age or contract. I know we all want the young guys on the field. However, if Chester shows up and plays better than Gettis or Long then he should start. If Moses outplays Polumbus then he should start. I really hope Gruden takes a page from Pete Carroll and preaches pure competition. This team won 3 games last year. No jobs should be safe.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1072506]Put the best players on the field, regardless of draft status, age or contract. I know we all want the young guys on the field. However, if Chester shows up and plays better than Gettis or Long then he should start. If Moses outplays Polumbus then he should start. I really hope Gruden takes a page from Pete Carroll and preaches pure competition. This team won 3 games last year. No jobs should be safe.[/quote]

Agree agree agree +10000000

Silverback is the only guy who Id plug in at Oline. I'd rather the Oline stay unperdictable meaning its a wide open competition at every spot.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1072497]I don't see Moses starting. I think the right side on opening day will be Gettis and Polumbus.

I also think Chris Baker will start over Jenkins, who to be honest I wouldn't be surprised doesn't make the final roster[/quote]


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I don't disagree with this ^. Gruden isn't going to be swayed by the memories folks have of how Jenkins impressed in his rookie camp before his injury; he will evaluate on what is happening with him right now. Baker showed more on the field late last year than Jenkins, I think.

Anyone hear anything about whether Carriker is going to get another look (assuming he's healthy enough)?

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[quote=calia;1072614]I don't disagree with this ^. Gruden isn't going to be swayed by the memories folks have of how Jenkins impressed in his rookie camp before his injury; he will evaluate on what is happening with him right now. Baker showed more on the field late last year than Jenkins, I think.

Anyone hear anything about whether Carriker is going to get another look (assuming he's healthy enough)?[/quote]

I believe that Jenkins is more talented than Baker, and I would also like to see Long as the LG, and Luavou move over to RG if we start a rookie at RT. If we start Compton or Polumbus at RT, then leave Long at RG. Point is, having a complete rookie Right side scares the hell out of me, I would definitely like to pair them up with a veteran. Id love a line that looked like this.

Silverback SpencerLong Gettis/Lichensteiger Luavo Moses


I put Gettis in there over Lichensteiger cause Lickenstiger is only 281 lbs, and Gettis is 297. Gettis is also younger, and can pass block better than Kory L. I just don't know how well he could function as a center, if he has the brain to call out schemes, or if Lichensteiger gets the job cause he is a smart guy and knows alot about picking up the rush. We will see, but I do hope the best guy gets the job. I don't think we picked up Moses to sit on the bench though, I believe he will be a day one starter after a good camp and preseason. It would be nice for RG3 to grow with this young group of Lineman and receivers. Our offense as a whole is super young, and that should be very exciting for even the run of the mill skins fan.

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Well, I gave my O-line predictions in another thread, so here's my WR predictions. Unless we keep Hocker as a KO specialist or keep 4 TEs, I'm fairly confident that we'll keep 6 WRs.

#1 - Pierre Garcon. Obviously. As a note, while I don't expect numbers like he put up last year, I do think he'll certainly get Pro Bowl numbers again.

#2 - DeSean Jackson. Obviously. Can't wait to see him out there.

#3 - Andre Roberts. Was hoping we'd target him in FA and play him as a #2, so I'm pretty happy with him here.

#4 - Leonard Hankerson. I think if he gets injured sometime during the offseason, he'll be a definite late-cut possibility. But he's a solid receiver when healthy, and still only 25.

#5 - Aldrick Robinson. Not sure about this one. With the relatively young age of our WR corps, they might go with the veteran Moss over this guy for mentorship purposes, then draft another receiver sometime in the next few seasons to start developing. I dunno. If Robinson/Moss makes the roster, Ryan Grant might be in this spot over him/them.

#6 - Ryan Grant. Fairly certain he's a lock to make the 53-man roster, especially considering Gruden's praise about how he looked like a "10 year veteran" already. Maybe he could get a lot more playing time than I think. Maybe #4?

Same as the OL, much improvement. And to think I was considering the possibilities of maybe Hankerson as #2. LOL. What a relief. But again, what do I know?

[QUOTE=Mechanix544;1072646]I believe that Jenkins is more talented than Baker, and I would also like to see Long as the LG, and Luavou move over to RG if we start a rookie at RT. If we start Compton or Polumbus at RT, then leave Long at RG. Point is, having a complete rookie Right side scares the hell out of me, I would definitely like to pair them up with a veteran. Id love a line that looked like this.



Silverback SpencerLong Gettis/Lichensteiger Luavo Moses





I put Gettis in there over Lichensteiger cause Lickenstiger is only 281 lbs, and Gettis is 297. Gettis is also younger, and can pass block better than Kory L. I just don't know how well he could function as a center, if he has the brain to call out schemes, or if Lichensteiger gets the job cause he is a smart guy and knows alot about picking up the rush. We will see, but I do hope the best guy gets the job. I don't think we picked up Moses to sit on the bench though, I believe he will be a day one starter after a good camp and preseason. It would be nice for RG3 to grow with this young group of Lineman and receivers. Our offense as a whole is super young, and that should be very exciting for even the run of the mill skins fan.[/QUOTE]


Kory has been working to put on weight. He's shooting to be in the mid 290s this year. He seems to be a pretty good lock at center right now.

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[quote=SirLK26;1072652]Well, I gave my O-line predictions in another thread, so here's my WR predictions. Unless we keep Hocker as a KO specialist or keep 4 TEs, I'm fairly confident that we'll keep 6 WRs.

#1 - Pierre Garcon. Obviously. As a note, while I don't expect numbers like he put up last year, I do think he'll certainly get Pro Bowl numbers again.

#2 - DeSean Jackson. Obviously. Can't wait to see him out there.

#3 - Andre Roberts. Was hoping we'd target him in FA and play him as a #2, so I'm pretty happy with him here.

#4 - Leonard Hankerson. I think if he gets injured sometime during the offseason, he'll be a definite late-cut possibility. But he's a solid receiver when healthy, and still only 25.

#5 - Aldrick Robinson. Not sure about this one. With the relatively young age of our WR corps, they might go with the veteran Moss over this guy for mentorship purposes, then draft another receiver sometime in the next few seasons to start developing. I dunno. If Robinson/Moss makes the roster, Ryan Grant might be in this spot over him/them.

#6 - Ryan Grant. Fairly certain he's a lock to make the 53-man roster, especially considering Gruden's praise about how he looked like a "10 year veteran" already. Maybe he could get a lot more playing time than I think. Maybe #4?

Same as the OL, much improvement. And to think I was considering the possibilities of maybe Hankerson as #2. LOL. What a relief. But again, what do I know?[/quote]

i dont think both Robinson and Hank make the roster. I really think the udfa from BYU is the guy to watch out for making the team.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1072497]I don't see Moses starting. I think the right side on opening day will be Gettis and Polumbus.

I also think Chris Baker will start over Jenkins, who to be honest I wouldn't be surprised doesn't make the final roster[/quote]

Jenkins seemed to have such promise before the injury in his rookie year. He was getting rave reviews. Since coming back, however, he has been very much "just a guy". Don't know if he lost something due to the injury or if he just never really had it, but he seems eminently replaceable now.

I am with you on Moses. Everything I read is that he has great upside BUT poor technique and not familiar with the ZBS. Sucks that we are - once again - stuck with Polumbus.

It does appear that Compton just isn't making the strides necessary - I wonder what it is that Compton is lacking. Really, if you can't beat out Polumbus after two years, just not sure you are ever going to be NFL ready.

I am making the bold prediction that the day one starter from the draft is Long at right guard. Clearly, Luavo is penciled in at the LG spot.

Can Gettis play both guard positions or is he strictly the right side? I think LeRib makes it over Chester but just barely (mostly due to the fact that LeRib can play center also).

As for WR's I think they carry 5 and either Robinson or Hank is gone. [EDIT: Moss gets one final year].

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[quote=Chico23231;1072656]i dont think both Robinson and Hank make the roster. I really think the udfa from BYU is the guy to watch out for making the team.[/quote]

I don't really know anything about Cody Hoffman other than what I've read, so you could be right. Supposedly he impressed the coaches at the rookie minicamp; and I've read he has great size, a wide catch-radius, and was very productive on special teams at BYU. Perhaps the coaches won't want to take the chance of putting him on the practice squad. On the other two receivers, I think Hankerson is a tentative lock(CRedskins would probably disagree), and Robinson seemed like he made substantial strides after the mid-point last season. So if both made the roster it wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Who does everyone think are the major veteran cuts?

I see Chester, Royster, Bowen, Biggs, Hank or Robinson, Minnifield (not sure he fits the category).


Anyone got some "Wow, didn't see that one coming!" ideas?
I got two: Rob Jackson and Roy Helu.

Not saying they will be, but that it could possibly, maybe happen (for Jackson it wouldn't be THAT much of shocker given his late resigning). Honestly, I would be shocked if Helu was cut.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1072660]Who does everyone think are the major veteran cuts?

I see Chester, Royster, Bowen, Biggs, Hank or Robinson, Minnifield (not sure he fits the category).


Anyone got some "Wow, didn't see that one coming!" ideas?
I got two: Rob Jackson and Roy Helu.

Not saying they will be, but that it could possibly, maybe happen (for Jackson it wouldn't be THAT much of shocker given his late resigning). Honestly, I would be shocked if Helu was cut.[/quote]

Who's Biggs? You mean Biggers?

Chester, Helu, Biggers, Minnifield, J. Jenkins, LeRibeus (technically he's a veteran), and I'm torn on if Moss is let go

Also, Forbath

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[quote=SmootSmack;1072661]Who's Biggs? You mean Biggers?

Chester, Helu, Biggers, Minnifield, J. Jenkins, LeRibeus (technically he's a veteran), and I'm torn on if Moss is let go

Also, Forbath[/quote]

I would think helu could have some value. I'd call around starting with the jets, then Cleveland, see if we could land a late pick.

Moss makes little sense to keep if the front 3 WR are healthy going into the season. We don't need him to return kicks anymore, so no special teams.

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I would be upset if Helu was cut

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I think the Redskins will cut some of the veterans mentioned above, but they could also pick-up some as well. The Texans cannot claim everyone that doesn't make the last cut.

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[quote=SirLK26;1072659]I don't really know anything about Cody Hoffman other than what I've read, so you could be right. Supposedly he impressed the coaches at the rookie minicamp; and I've read he has great size, a wide catch-radius, and was very productive on special teams at BYU. Perhaps the coaches won't want to take the chance of putting him on the practice squad. On the other two receivers, I think Hankerson is a tentative lock([B]CRedskins would probably disagree[/B]), and Robinson seemed like he made substantial strides after the mid-point last season. So if both made the roster it wouldn't surprise me at all.[/quote]

:food-smil

yup. I don't think you draft Grant if you are content with Hankerson at the 4th spot.

I would say Hankerson seems like decent trade bait for either a moderate player, or draft pick next year. He has shown flashes, and a WR starved team would be crazy not to take him. Fortunately for us, at this point I don't think we are WR starved.

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I think Moses can most likely start week 1. Well know more soon. But all the information and media ive seen on Moses tells me hes a day 1 starter. Just like Zach Martin in dallas.. just like Matthews in ATL.. Long is the same story. Grudens gonna put the best guys out there if Chester shows up then Long takes a seat during the learning curve. But Polumbus.. ew.. I see RG getting hit already lets get Moses ready.

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This poopoos peoples' ideas about rookies starting right away.

[url=http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=washington-redskins&id=7852&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FSuS0Ucvc9G%22%7D]NFL Sizing up the rookies: Morgan Moses - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;1072694]This poopoos peoples' ideas about rookies starting right away.

[url=http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=washington-redskins&id=7852&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B%22ref%22%3A%22http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FSuS0Ucvc9G%22%7D]NFL Sizing up the rookies: Morgan Moses - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Yeah I have heard that about almost every draft pick ever.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1072697]Yeah I have heard that about almost every draft pick ever.[/quote]

But starting the whole right side of the line with rookies from day 1? I don't see it. Maybe ease them in after a few games. If people are worried about getting RGIII hurt it seems like starting two rookies on the line next to each other from game 1 is a good way to make that happen.

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Best man starts IMO.

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[quote=SkinzWin;1072716]But starting the whole right side of the line with rookies from day 1? I don't see it. Maybe ease them in after a few games. If people are worried about getting RGIII hurt it seems like starting two rookies on the line next to each other from game 1 is a good way to make that happen.[/quote]

This is my thought exactly. Yes, by year two it definitely should be Long/Moses on the right side of the line (unless Long plays LG), but year 1 I don't see it.

These guys were drafted THIRD round for a reason. If we had two first round picks or a high second (Like we had this year but couldn't use) then maybe they both start. Until then you put out veterans to at least soften the blow on the right side.

The way I see it playing out is either Moses OR Long start by mid season, I don't know who but one of them will. Then a few weeks later say Week 12-14 you put in the other one. That way by year 2 they both have game experience and can work in the off season with a steady grasp of NFL level play.

The only question now is who will adjust to the NFL faster Long or Moses.

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[quote=sevier2;1072738]This is my thought exactly. Yes, by year two it definitely should be Long/Moses on the right side of the line (unless Long plays LG), but year 1 I don't see it.

These guys were drafted THIRD round for a reason. If we had two first round picks or a high second (Like we had this year but couldn't use) then maybe they both start. Until then you put out veterans to at least soften the blow on the right side.

The way I see it playing out is either Moses OR Long start by mid season, I don't know who but one of them will. Then a few weeks later say Week 12-14 you put in the other one. That way by year 2 they both have game experience and can work in the off season with a steady grasp of NFL level play.

The only question now is who will adjust to the NFL faster Long or Moses.[/quote]

Where you are drafted means nothing. The Bears had a OL drafted in the 6th who played all year. If you can play, you can play, Regardless where you are picked.

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Haslett really wants increase the use of player packages/rotation system on defense to keep players fresh. Wholesale player changes from 3-4 package to nickle/dime packages. Especially on the defensive line.
I say this because being named "starter" does not mean you will play a lot or more than some of "the backups" on the D-line. Depending on who we play, whether the opponent is a running team, passing team or balanced, or what situation they are in will dictate how much a certain player play.
For the base 3-4 defense geared to stop running/balanced teams for example, I see a D-line rotation of:
- Jarvis Jenkins, Stephen Bowen, Jason Hatcher and Chris Baker at DE
- Barry Cofield, Chris Baker and Chris Neild at NT
I see saving Jason Hatcher more as a pass rush DE/DT in the Nickle and dime packages (4 man lines), instead of tiring him out playing the run at 3-4 DE. Hatcher excelled more on on 4 man lines then he did on 3 man line. That is why I think Jenkins, Bowen and Baker will play more 3-4 DE in obvious run situations. Not Hatcher.
I also heard they might experiment with Hatcher at pass rush OLB on obvious pass plays. So he would exclusively rush the passer not go out in coverage if he played 3-4 OLB on occasion. Of course the development of OLB's Trent Murphy and Brandon Jenkins will play into whether Hatcher is ever tries OLB in a game.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1072742]Where you are drafted means nothing. The Bears had a OL drafted in the 6th who played all year. If you can play, you can play, Regardless where you are picked.[/quote]

Where you're drafted actually means a lot in this league, that's basic knowledge.

I do agree however, that if you can play you'll play. What everyone HERE on this forum bases their decisions on is speculation and expectations. What's expected out of somebody drafted in rounds 1-3 is A LOT different than what's expected from players taken in the 4-7 rounds.

Don't get me wrong, Alfred Morris proved to everybody in the NFL that you can find quality players late. But don't sit there and tell me you would be confident putting out an o line with a bunch of 6th/7th round rookies. It just doesn't work that way

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[quote=sevier2;1072754]Where you're drafted actually means a lot in this league, that's basic knowledge.

I do agree however, that if you can play you'll play. What everyone HERE on this forum bases their decisions on is speculation and expectations. What's expected out of somebody drafted in rounds 1-3 is A LOT different than what's expected from players taken in the 4-7 rounds.

Don't get me wrong, Alfred Morris proved to everybody in the NFL that you can find quality players late. But don't sit there and tell me you would be confident putting out an o line with a bunch of 6th/7th round rookies. It just doesn't work that way[/quote]

We don't have any 7th rd rookie OL, but 3rd rounders yes I would be fine with that if they show that they are the best players, which I believe they will