Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

Maybe its a blessing in disguise that ST is working out at the U. I feel that
Taylor could be learning from the most instinctual safety and best def. player in the league, Ed Reed. Sean Taylor is bigger, stronger, and just as fast as Reed, and if he could learn from him in workouts, i think this would be a huge plus. ST is someone with unlimited potential and I feel that with his off the field problems, he is going to need someone to help guide him.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

And on what first hand actual observations/knowledge do you base your premise that Taylor is actually working out with Reed?

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[QUOTE=Tahoe Skin]And on what first hand actual observations/knowledge do you base your premise that Taylor is actually working out with Reed?[/QUOTE]
He did not state as a fact that ST was working out with Ed Reed, I believe his words were "could be" which implies that he really dose not know for sure but the possibility is there!!

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

And Ed Reed plays Coach Williams defense? Come on you can not teach instincts. ST should be at Redskin park and this adds another blemish to the character issue. Not to mention the so called confusion over the number change. You can not tell me that the Redskins just printed his new jersey by mistake. This little boy needs to grow up.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

He should be at Redskins park plain and simple. If Taylor ever realizes his potential he will make Ed Reed look like the Ade Jimoh of safeties. You can't be taught instincts and you can't build chemistry from 1500 miles away. All Taylor needs is to straighten his head out and play another 15-16 games and he will be the best Safety in the game. Of course straightening his head out is more easily said than done.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

Aw, leave "The Ade" out of this. He didn't do anything to you! LOL

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

C'mon - this is U. Miami we're talking about. We all know there isn't a whole lot of working going on down there.

Plus, this whole "I can't let go of being in college" thing is getting old! ;)

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[QUOTE=FRPLG]If Taylor ever realizes his potential he will make Ed Reed look like the Ade Jimoh of safeties. [/QUOTE]

I think this is a compliment since Ed Reed is a damn good safety!

UofM produces some great players - but I am not down with them getting to all skip out on training and it's ok because their UofM and they're "training" down in Miami. Right, that's like going to a strip club to do homework. Those SOB's are partying it up down there when they should be with their teams. It's so not ok.

Also, I know that the NFL is mostly a "business" now with contracts and holdouts being the primary news highlights and actually football plays secondary, but guys that are fresh into contracts wanting new ones (see TO & ST) are just a-holes. I mean, you don't see The Ade crying for a new contract every year - just because he's been promoted to starting cornerback, he isn't asking for more money. The Ade's all about The Team.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

The U has become almost like a cult. But they push each other, my brother pointed out that those guys have to come out as juniors because there's always some new guy pushing for playing time. Edgerrin James, Najeh Davenport, Clinton Portis, James Jackson, Willis McGahee and these are just the running backs.

I look for both of these guys to come to the first mini camp in great shape, and I think Ed Reed would be a tremendous influence on Taylor. Taylor can be just as good as Reed, plus he's bigger and faster and just as instinctual. As for Moss, I think he's more elusive while Coles is a more aggressive runner. That said, I think Moss will flourish in our offense, he is elusive enough to take one of those wide receiver screens to the house.

Too soon to worry...

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]He did not state as a fact that ST was working out with Ed Reed, I believe his words were "could be" which implies that he really dose not know for sure but the possibility is there!![/QUOTE]

Agreed, but in fairness the title of the post is "Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed". That certainly gives the impression that we are talking about something that is true. Otherwise, why even discuss the topic? Everyone can assume what they like. If others want to assume he's working out with Reed, I guess that's fine. As for me, I'm going to assume he's at the beach right now eyeing up spring-breakers.

Regardless, even if he was "studying" Ed Reed, that's no excuse for missing the workout. Who he should be studying is Gregg Williams, who I think knows a little more about Defense than Ed Reed.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

Feel feel to disagree with me, but working out at the U is NOT a bad thing. Its not good for team spirit, but the fact of the matter is they are NOT practicing at redskins park right now. They are NOT running plays. They are lifting weights as a team. He is probably getting more practice in Miami then if he was at Redskins park.

Miami guys stick together whether the league or any of us likes it or not. They all work together and help each other. And you know what, it works. When Edgerin James got drafted, he went back and worked out and taught Portis, who also did the same thing. Just like bubba franks helped teach shockey who helped teach winslow. The list goes on and on.

When practices start, then they better be there. But this istn practice yet its just workouts.

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[QUOTE=memphisskin]The U has become almost like a cult. But they push each other, my brother pointed out that those guys have to come out as juniors because there's always some new guy pushing for playing time. Edgerrin James, Najeh Davenport, Clinton Portis, James Jackson, Willis McGahee and these are just the running backs.

I look for both of these guys to come to the first mini camp in great shape, and I think Ed Reed would be a tremendous influence on Taylor. Taylor can be just as good as Reed, plus he's bigger and faster and just as instinctual. As for Moss, I think he's more elusive while Coles is a more aggressive runner. That said, I think Moss will flourish in our offense, he is elusive enough to take one of those wide receiver screens to the house.

Too soon to worry...[/QUOTE]

They do push each other. A couple weeks ago my friend played a pickup basketball game with Edgerin James, Clinton Portis and Sean Taylor. No matter what these guys are going to spend their off seasons in miami hanging out and working out together.

If anyone out there does not think that Moss and Taylor are getting a good workout in Miami, then explain to me why Willis McGahee has a devastating, career ending injury and was running in full pads and practicing before teh start of the next season. For anyone out there that really knows a lot about canes, then ill add a small note to that. McGahee has a brother that owns a gym in Miami that he also worked out at.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

"Sean Taylor" and "studying" in the same sentence sort of sounds funny to me, almost an oxymoron actually.

There is no "silver lining" to him not being at Redskins training camp.

I think Santana Moss missing the workouts is worse though. He needs to realize he hasn't accomplished shit, he hasn't played one down as a Redskins, and that he needs to work out with the quarterback.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

When I was a child I spoke as a child, when I became a man I put away childish things. It really dosen't matter if Taylor and Moss come to camp looking like Atlas, the fact remains the same they "should" be at Redskins Park. Whatever they're doing at the "U" is not like what they would be acomplishing if they were they should be.
Good thing they're not here during the time Schottenheimer was coach. Remember Larry Centers? He always worked out in Arizona during the off-season and expressed his desire to continue doing so and Marty ushered him to his desire.

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[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]Agreed, but in fairness the title of the post is "Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed". That certainly gives the impression that we are talking about something that is true. Otherwise, why even discuss the topic? Everyone can assume what they like. If others want to assume he's working out with Reed, I guess that's fine. As for me, I'm going to assume he's at the beach right now eyeing up spring-breakers.

Regardless, even if he was "studying" Ed Reed, that's no excuse for missing the workout. Who he should be studying is Gregg Williams, who I think knows a little more about Defense than Ed Reed.[/QUOTE]

Ok you are right on about the title of the post, but does that mean that it is true? Maybe if the title had be "Sean Taylor IS studing Ed Reed" then maybe I would have ben led to believe that it was true.

Also is that how you read posts on here only by the title and not what the poster wrote?

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BTW, did anyone read [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35473-2005Apr7.html?nav=rss_sports/leaguesandsports/nfl/20002001/washingtonredskins"]this article in the Post[/url] about Thomas saying Moss is going to be in peak shape? My favorite line:
[QUOTE]Despite the voluntary nature of these workouts, numerous players said they consider it part of their job responsibilities to be here. As Pro Bowl linebacker Marcus Washington put it: "It's pretty voluntary, like if your wife or girlfriend tells you . . . [not to] get her nothing for her birthday, and then if you don't come home with a present, you know you're in trouble. It's kind of like that."[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=onlydarksets]BTW, did anyone read [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35473-2005Apr7.html?nav=rss_sports/leaguesandsports/nfl/20002001/washingtonredskins"]this article in the Post[/url] about Thomas saying Moss is going to be in peak shape? My favorite line:[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=5783[/url]

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]Feel feel to disagree with me, but working out at the U is NOT a bad thing. Its not good for team spirit, but the fact of the matter is they are NOT practicing at redskins park right now. They are NOT running plays. They are lifting weights as a team. He is probably getting more practice in Miami then if he was at Redskins park.[/QUOTE]

They're not running through plays like they do in camp like in 7 on 7s, but still, this is a great time for Ramsey to work with the WRs to establish some chemistry and get a feel for one another.

There's still plenty of official camps and practices ahead, it would just be nice if they could be getting a head start on things.

I agree it's not critical for them to be in DC right now, but in the spirit of "team", they [i]should[/i] be there. Otherwise don't show up at your introductory press conference like Moss did and tell us how you're such a team guy.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

I agree Matty, Moss saying he's a team guy doesn't jibe with him missing the first voluntary camp. And I think he should be there and if I was in his shoes I would be there.

But come January we will not even remember that Moss missed the first voluntary workout. Plus it's a precautionary measure, until he signs the new deal that the Skins have already all but promised him I wouldn't expect him to show up for anything voluntary. If anything it's our fault for not A) negotiating the new deal before we made the deal and B) promising him a new deal in the first place.

I don't think there will be any chemistry issues, it's not like the voluntary camps helped Brunell out last year.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

[QUOTE=Mattyk72]They're not running through plays like they do in camp like in 7 on 7s, but still, this is a great time for Ramsey to work with the WRs to establish some chemistry and get a feel for one another.

There's still plenty of official camps and practices ahead, it would just be nice if they could be getting a head start on things.

I agree it's not critical for them to be in DC right now, but in the spirit of "team", they [i]should[/i] be there. Otherwise don't show up at your introductory press conference like Moss did and tell us how you're such a team guy.[/QUOTE]


A team guy as long as the money is right? :biggthump

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

I don't care if ST is at the U training as long as he's gets better. Moss disturbes me not being there, becuase Ramsey needs to get used to throwing the ball to him. As for the parting, its not like there isn't 20 or so clubs here in DC that they can visit.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

[QUOTE=Redskins8588]Ok you are right on about the title of the post, but does that mean that it is true? Maybe if the title had be "Sean Taylor IS studing Ed Reed" then maybe I would have ben led to believe that it was true.

Also is that how you read posts on here only by the title and not what the poster wrote?[/QUOTE]

Look, I'm not here to argue semantics with you. I'm just saying that the prior poster made a valid point about this thread. Here we are discussing ST studying Ed Reed as if that's what's actually going on. For all we really know, ST could be lifting weights in his basement with S. Moss. For all we know ST could be boogie boarding in the Atlantic. But the fact that we're all here debating whether it is good for ST to be studying with Ed Reed seems to lend credence to the fact that some people are looking at the this thread and thinking that we are debating something that is actually happening. So obviously the title of the post has caused some confusion.

And in answer to your question: Yes, all I do is read the title of the posts and not what the poster wrote. Yes, that's exactly what I do. So far it appears that 20 people all have exactly the same thing to say; that being "Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed." Yah, valid question.
Don't be a smartass unless you want me to treat you in kind. All I was doing was supporting some else who I thought made a valid point that you refuted directly. I thought that was allowed on this site. Isn't that the point of a chat room? To discuss?

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

I think everyone on this board can agree that Warren Sapp was a very good football player at one time. I think he was one of the best DE in the league up until last a few seasons ago. He said that up until about the last 2 years he was in Tampa he showed up to 0 voluntary workouts. None. Never.

I just don't see it as that big of a deal. He was still a leader on that team. He was still a great player between the lines. Despite all of the talk, he could get it done and he lead his team. I don't think players missing voluntary is a big deal. However, I do agree with the consensus that they should be there.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

There is no way to make a positive out of ST not being at Redskins park. I don't think it will hurt their defense much if at all, but he still should be there. I hate all these Miami guys. You can't turn your back on them becasue they have talent, but I can't stand how they all think there is a seperate set of rules for them.

Moss not being there is the bigger problem. He needs every minute he can get working with Ramsey.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

[QUOTE=celts32]There is no way to make a positive out of ST not being at Redskins park. I don't think it will hurt their defense much if at all, but he still should be there. I hate all these Miami guys. You can't turn your back on them becasue they have talent, but I can't stand how they all think there is a seperate set of rules for them.

Moss not being there is the bigger problem. He needs every minute he can get working with Ramsey.[/QUOTE]

Totally agree.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

[QUOTE=jdlea]I think everyone on this board can agree that Warren Sapp was a very good football player at one time. I think he was one of the best DE in the league up until last a few seasons ago. He said that up until about the last 2 years he was in Tampa he showed up to 0 voluntary workouts. None. Never.

I just don't see it as that big of a deal. He was still a leader on that team. He was still a great player between the lines. Despite all of the talk, he could get it done and he lead his team. I don't think players missing voluntary is a big deal. However, I do agree with the consensus that they should be there.[/QUOTE]

With all due respect, Sapp was a leader on the team, but I think more of a vocal leader than anything - that's why he is not with Tampa anymore. To me, he was more of a self-promoting loudmouth than anything else.

Also, the last time he did anything was four years ago - in 2000, when he had 16.5 sacks. The four years since then, his sack totals have gone: 6, 7.5, 5, 2.5.

Maybe if he went to more workouts and spent less time eating, he would have sustained himself better.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

As a follow-up point, I think position is another key point here.

Free safety is a position where reads and unity are more important than at d-line; same goes for WR - these guys need to work on the cerebral aspects of the game, which isn't what is going on down in Miami.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

Regardless of how/why/what Sean Taylor is doing in Miami, I think it is imperitive that he is at Redskin Park with the rest of the guys.

The "voluntary" workouts are voluntary in name only, no matter what he is doing, he won't be building the camaraderie that you build up with going through workouts/camps with your fellow players. The players build trust and respect for each other when they see how hard each other is working towards the teams goal, if you think him being missing will not affect peoples views on him then you are wrong - there will become the whole "we're here bustin' our ass while he is down in Miami, whats up with that!" scenario.

CP is from Thug U (Miami), yet he is at the workouts, showing remarkable leadership considering it is only his 2nd year with the Skins - maybe he shoudl give ST a call and tell him to haul ass up here!

Sean Taylor has a good contract, be shouldn't be trying to hold out for a new one after 1 year, if he had been a Pro Bowler or whatever then ok, but not right now.

Santana Moss is also making a terrible mistake in not being here, a "team guy", a "Redskins kinda guy" is not one that decides to skip workouts or holdout, especially when you haven't yet even met a lot of your teammates!
He'll get his deal, so why risk your development with the team by holding out like this!

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]as for the parting, its not like there isn't 20 or so clubs here in DC that they can visit.





yea, partying in dc is prolly just as fun as partying in miami :Smoker: :party-smi :smashfrea

both of those little pricks should be with the team. taylor is really starting to piss me off and moss is starting out the wrong way.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

relax you guys. Do you really think that two weeks of lifting weights is going to make or break this season. This is getting blown out of proportion. Its not like he said he doesnt want to work out and just wants to sit at home and get fat. He is working out, he is doing his necessary training. Now, if either of them miss practices then start to bitch. But this istn that big of a deal

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

[QUOTE=PSUSkinsFan21]Look, I'm not here to argue semantics with you. I'm just saying that the prior poster made a valid point about this thread. Here we are discussing ST studying Ed Reed as if that's what's actually going on. For all we really know, ST could be lifting weights in his basement with S. Moss. For all we know ST could be boogie boarding in the Atlantic. But the fact that we're all here debating whether it is good for ST to be studying with Ed Reed seems to lend credence to the fact that some people are looking at the this thread and thinking that we are debating something that is actually happening. So obviously the title of the post has caused some confusion.

And in answer to your question: Yes, all I do is read the title of the posts and not what the poster wrote. Yes, that's exactly what I do. So far it appears that 20 people all have exactly the same thing to say; that being "Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed." Yah, valid question.
Don't be a smartass unless you want me to treat you in kind. All I was doing was supporting some else who I thought made a valid point that you refuted directly. I thought that was allowed on this site. Isn't that the point of a chat room? To discuss?[/QUOTE]

I was not trying to be a smartass. I am sorry if I came off as such. All I did was respond to your post!! "I thought that was allowed on this site."

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

wasted posts due to misleading title ;)

ST could very well be on the first spaceship to mars right now...
ALL HAIL THE NEW REDSKIN MARTIAN OVERLORD!!!!!!11

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

Let me see if I have this right. It's not perfect - but it's sort of OK - for Sean Taylor to be working out in Miami instead of here in Redskins Park because he may be working with Ed Reed and learning from Reed how to be a great safety. If that is even close to correct, then why not:

Find a way to get Partick Ramsey to haul his butt out of Redskins' Park and go work out with Peyton Manning or Donovan McNabb or Tom Brady.

The Redskins' WRs to pack their bags and go work out with Terrell Owens - - oh that's right he's not working out either.

You get the picture...

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]relax you guys. Do you really think that two weeks of lifting weights is going to make or break this season. This is getting blown out of proportion. Its not like he said he doesnt want to work out and just wants to sit at home and get fat. He is working out, he is doing his necessary training. Now, if either of them miss practices then start to bitch. But this istn that big of a deal[/QUOTE]

No offense, but I think your opinion is tainted since these guys are from "the U". What if every player on the team decided to work out in thier college town and Redskins Park was a ghost town until training camp? Would it be a problem then? All these Miami guys think they play under a digfferent set of rules and it pis*es me off...

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

so makes the workouts mandatory. Problem solved. If its that big of a deal, then make the players be there. It annoying as shit when women say we dotn have to do somethign and then they get mad when we dont, so why should the coaches do the same thing.

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

[QUOTE=SKINSnCANES]so makes the workouts mandatory. Problem solved. If its that big of a deal, then make the players be there. It annoying as shit when women say we dotn have to do somethign and then they get mad when we dont, so why should the coaches do the same thing.[/QUOTE]

Why is it that the Miami players are the ones that it needs to be made manditory for? The teams are not allowed to make them manditory or they would. They have to call them voluntary, but in reality they are anything but.

There is just no logical way to defend them not being there. We can argue how much affect them not being there will have on the Redskins season, but there is no argument that they SHOULD be there.

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[QUOTE=celts32]No offense, but I think your opinion is tainted since these guys are from "the U". [/QUOTE]

Agree 100%

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[QUOTE=SantanaMan]

Sean Taylor has a good contract, be shouldn't be trying to hold out for a new one after 1 year, if he had been a Pro Bowler or whatever then ok, but not right now.
[/QUOTE]

actually i think ST gets some insane money for making the pro bowl, so if he gets there, i doubt he'll be complaining about being underpayed...

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

There really is no excuse for not being at Redskin Park. If you want the whole team to gell and form a bond its best that all players show up. In fact when the NFL had a strike back in the 80's one team went and practiced alltogehter on their own. No one went back to their offseason homes but all stayed and worked together as a team to get better. When the strike was over that team came back and went and won the Super Bowl. If you don't know who that team is that you really might not be a fan. So the moral of the story is those who stick together as one can succeed as one.
So as a special note to Mr. Baby Taylor, GET YOUR ($#(_$# TOGETHER!

Re: Sean Taylor studying Ed Reed
 

Sorry to be so late to respond:

I didnt mean to mislead you guys in the post without backing it up.

A few months back, I read an article about Ray Lewis and Ed Reed, and
they commented on how they help the U players develop for the NFL.
Sean Taylor was mentioned, and they noted that he has a great mentor
in Reed if he so chooses. As they are both down there working out (I found this out from reading about the pickup basketball games) , While they may be in the same room, I went one step further to speculate that there is a legitimate shot that he
is learning from Reed.

Anyways, hope this helps.

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