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does the NFL change the outcome of multiple games because they are legally allowed to because they are documented by government as a entertainment business. How many games have you watched that you know the call was bullpucky ?

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[QUOTE]. Contrary to popular belief and to what he NFL wants you to think, there have been fixed games in league history. On page 308 of Dan Moldea's book "Interference" he lists over 70 NFL games that have been fixed and includes the names of the 2 referees involved in fixing those games. He also lists interviews with NFL HOF players most notably KC Chiefs QB Len Dawson. He, in detail with documented facts supported by FBI documents, has interviews with NFL players and known gambling associates to uncover massive game fixing in the league. He also notes, with evidence, throughout the book that no fewer than 26 NFL team owners have or have had continuous and developing relationships with the gambling world, most notably the Rooney, Bidwill, and Mara families all getting their starts as Bookmakers for established mid-west crime families and buying their NFL franchises with moneys earned from gambling. So that in and of itself is a hypocrisy number 1 on the NFL's "lilly white" reputation.

NFL Referees are part-time employees of the NFL. They are not employees of any team nor do they get paid anywhere close to the sums of NBA refs. NFL refs make between $25K to $70K per season. They work for the league and do what the league tells them to do. They are not there for "the integrity of the game". Referees, unlike other sports, are bound by NFL mandated gag orders which prevent them from talking to the media. [/QUOTE]


[QUOTE]The NFL has removed a video from YouTube of the Bengals/Texans game where CBS announcer Jim Nance discusses the Bengals going for it on 4th down as they were lining up in punt formation. He says "And the Bengals will go for it here on 4th down". Then MAGICALLY Houston calls a Time Out and the Bengals come back out onto the field and go for it on 4th down. Dalton gets rushed and throws an incomplete pass. Turnover on downs. Magic.

Divisional Round: 49ers vs. Saints= 0 holding penalties called on the Saints after 60 pass attempts. Ravens = 0 overall penalties vs. the Texans, The Greg Jennings obvious fumble overturned to a "non-fumble". And is it a coincidence that the NFL has teams in Americas top 6 media markets, New York, Chicago, Boston, Baltimore/DC, and San Francisco. Which 4 teams are alive? New York, San Franscisco, Baltimore and New England (Boston).

Championship Sunday: Out of the 45 previous Super Bowls played, the NFL listed a poll of "which is your favorite Super Bowl ever" before the NFC/AFC championship games, one of the selections was Super Bowl XLII with New England and New York getting the most votes. Magically, this was Super Bowl XLVI's matchup. Magically Lee Evans drops a wide open TD that would send the Ravens to the Super Bowl and create a legacy for Flacco. But Flacco has been running his mouth, it's not his time. THEN Cundiff "Magically" shanks a 32 yard FG saying "the scoreboard wasn't correct, I didn't know what down it was" C'mon.

Super Bowl XLVI: Big TV charged advertisers a historical record $4 million per commercial for the Super Bowl and they got every penny worth. Never mind the fact that the NFL told you the day before who the champion would be, check out this link : [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/04/giants-website-says-they-are-super-bowl-champions/related/]Giants website says they are Super Bowl champions | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Robert Kraft gets his billion $ TV deal and his casino, the Mara's get their SB and the league splits 80% of the record profits and Roger Goodel gets $20 million a year in salary! They hoped you enjoyed their "presentation of the National Football League".

The Green Bay Packers and the New Orleans Saints did not have a holding penalty called on their teams until week 13. Week 13! These are verifiable stats that anyone can look up.

Still don't believe me after all of that proof? Let's quickly revisit some items from 2010.

2010 Week 7: Dolphins vs Steelers: Big Ben fumbles on his way to the endzone late in the 4th quarter. It's recovered by the Dolphins in the endzone but the referees went to replay and concluded that they could not determine "who" recovered the ball for the Dolphins, therefore the STEELERS get the ball on the 1 yard line. Ultimately they scored the game winning TD and the Dolphins were done.

2010: The Bucs and the Jags were the only two teams to suffer blackouts due to non attendance but the Bucs were the only team to have not sold out a single home game during the season. But since the NFL has to succeed as a single unit, these two teams were in playoff contention to maximize LEAGUE profits.

Lastly, the next argument I get from naysayers is "If it was fixed, someone would have investigated it and it would've come out". Well for the most part in a perfect world you are right. And this has happened. In Europe the BBC reports that over 300 games per year are fixed in UEFA. This article explains in detail: [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/europe/8379251.stm]BBC Sport - Football - Uefa name clubs in match-fixing investigation[/url] And UEFA is still the world's number 1 league. But unlike Europe the press isn't owned by the television network and the league. In America, the NFL because of the financial obligation pretty much owns ESPN, CBS, NBC and Fox. They hold all the cards. So if any reporter were to investigate these things, and actually find something and report it, they would be committing career suicide and risk possible ostricizing from the journalism community and reputational detriment on behalf of these networks. People have mouths to feed, they are going to risk that to report on game fixing. No one is going to kill the Golden Goose. No one. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]2. The NFL possesses an Anti-Trust Exemption to the law granted to it by President John F. Kennedy, which ultimately allows the NFL to classify itself as "entertainment" rather than sport, as well as incorporate itself as a single entity instead of the 32 separate "franchises" they would want you to believe. Contrary to the perception of the NFL being 32 separate franchises battling it out for gridiron supremacy. In a franchised environment, such as McDonalds (Business 101), each franchise is individually owned and operated and can participate in national promotions, have its own local promotions, or abstain from participating (hence the fine print in commercials saying "at participating locations".

This keeps the regionality of competition in tact without having to compete on a national level. MLB has this status, the NFL does not. Instead, since the NFL has this Anti-Trust exemption, it is able to package its teams in order to sell to national television companies, which today totals $6 Billion in revenue for the league. That is 75% of the leagues total annual revenue. In a 2004 lawsuit vs the NFL, the NFL attorney Gregg H. Levy argued that "the NFL is not a collection of 32 individual teams, but rather a single entity. And as long as the NFL teams are a unit, and they compete as a unit in the entertainment marketplace, then they should be deemed a single unit and not subject to any Anti-Trust laws."

There is only another "sports" organization that I can think of that follows this, the WWE. Levy also argued that the league markets its products and merchandise as a whole to promote the NFL as a whole. These arguments led all the way to lockout during the 2011 offseason. The league would still earn $5 Billion in revenue, even without a single game being played.

Professional sports is the only industry without ANY federal oversight. Therefore the league can do and go as they see fit, this is something the players were concerned about going into the lockout, the NFL players themselves sought help from US Congress asking for oversight of the NFL. And NFL players wanted an explanation as to why the NFL owners were granted an Anti-Trust exemption in the first place. They didn't get it.

The NFL proved in this lawsuit that they see themselves as a single unit in the "entertainment" industry and the unique league revenue sharing strategy is not common amongst professional sports leagues. [/QUOTE]

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Magically, I put on my tinfoil hat, ignore the black helicopters and see the brilliance and insight of this expose. Of course it's a conspiracy!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1076865]Magically, I put on my tinfoil hat, ignore the black helicopters and see the brilliance and insight of this expose. Of course it's a conspiracy![/quote]

what conspiracy ? the league is an entertainment business and allowed to bend games as they choose. The Government recognizes them as such.

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its happened in front of your face countless times watching so many football games,especially the primetime games.
You see something happen on the field, you know what you saw, its too obvious. Every replay angle confirms it, your eyes didn't lie to you. But the ref does it,he makes a call that is completely opposite of what you know you saw. You know he's wrong. And the guys in the booth don't pursue it. They go right along with some stupid scripted explanation or ignore it entirely because the league mandates they do so. And then during or after the game comes some stupid pseudo intellectual, quasi reasoning you simply accept as truth. The league might give a feeble " the ref made a mistake and we are sorry it happened" bullshit but nothing is retroactive or corrected. Its over, the league bent the game how it wanted.
And even though you know what you saw, you still say the same crap. "Its a tough game,you cant win them all, humans make mistakes,on any given Sunday anyone can win."

after you say those things to yourself for the 20th time you need to wake up and realize its a bunch of bull.

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I always think it's fuckin fixed. It sucks and it unfortunate. .. still love my redskins... absolutely. Hate when the refs.decide games. All throughout the game

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It's not fixed, it's called human error as far as bad calls go. No game is perfect.

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[quote=Mattyk;1076885]It's not fixed, it's called human error as far as bad calls go. No game is perfect.[/quote]

Oh, so you think teams "magically" fumble at crucial times? Refs "magically" make mistaken calls? Teams "magically" win football games??

You are such a sheep.

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I think some games in the NFL and every other sport have been fixed but the vast majority of the games played are legit.

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Fixed?
No....I highly doubt it.
Too much at stake to get caught doing it, it would ruin the NFL.
Too many people to control to keep it quiet.
I'd bet the Nevada Gaming Commission keeps an eye on it too.
And like Matty said, human referees make mistakes.
Shit happens.....

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[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1076889]Fixed?

No....I highly doubt it.

Too much at stake to get caught doing it, it would ruin the NFL.

[b]Too many people to control to keep it quiet.[/b]

I'd bet the Nevada Gaming Commission keeps an eye on it too.

And like Matty said, human referees make mistakes.

Shit happens.....[/QUOTE]


As is the case with conspiracy theories in general. But let's not let that get in the way of a good tin foil hat wearing kinda time!

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I think its naive to think that games have never been fixed. There is proof in basketball, soccer, cricket, and baseball that points have been shaved and games fixed whether its by a player of a ref. The NFL is no different especially when you consider how most of the original NFL owners were notorious gamblers.

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[QUOTE=irish;1076895]I think its naive to think that games have never been fixed. There is proof in basketball, soccer, cricket, and baseball that points have been shaved and games fixed whether its by a player of a ref. The NFL is no different especially when you consider how most of the original NFL owners were notorious gamblers.[/QUOTE]


Maybe back in the no helmet days, but in modern times? Highly doubt we wouldn't have heard something legit about it by now.

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I am sure games have been fixed...but the league isn't fixing the while damn thing as was suggested. That's some serious tinfoil hat BS.

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All I'm hearing is wild accusations generalizations.
Wheres a specific example for starters?

Yea, Tony Romo was told to fumble the hold.
He got $800,000 to do it if he kept quiet.
He was told if he didnt keep quiet that Marco and Guido would kill his mother.
:doh:

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Bounty gate had the lid blown off in no time. How does anyone think rigging games could be held under wraps? I don't buy it at all.

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I don't believe the NFL, itself, is fixed. It's not the WWE. However, it is 100% fact that each officiating crew is going to call a game differently. Some are going to let holding penalties go and call more pass interference while others will do the opposite. And I do believe that certain teams tend to get the benefit of the doubt more than others - usually teams that are amongst the "elite" teams of the league. Players have always said that there's something happening on every single play that could be called. Some players tend to get away with things more than others. And at least indirectly, that can help determine the outcome of the game.

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Shouldn't this thread be here ....


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[quote=skinsguy;1076901]I don't believe the NFL, itself, is fixed. It's not the WWE. However, it is 100% fact that each officiating crew is going to call a game differently. Some are going to let holding penalties go and call more pass interference while others will do the opposite. And I do believe that certain teams tend to get the benefit of the doubt more than others - usually teams that are amongst the "elite" teams of the league. Players have always said that there's something happening on every single play that could be called. Some players tend to get away with things more than others. And at least indirectly, that can help determine the outcome of the game.[/quote]

No doubt the human element plays in, but that's not the same as fixing games.

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I think the mystique of football is exactly what the article refers to as "magic". Keeping 22 men, + coaches, + backups + everyone else involved moving in sync is not something that happens magically, and unexpected glitches, ie a bad snap, catching a football on the top of the helmet, etc, is the essence of what makes a 60 minute football game watchable, and exciting. Even a non-existent PI call, frustrating as it may be is more due to human fallibility, then some grandiose rigging scheme.

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[quote=Mattyk;1076905]No doubt the human element plays in, but that's not the same as fixing games.[/quote]

I agree, refs calling games differently isnt game fixing.

There is no way the NFL is manipulating games a la the WWE because if they did there's no way Vegas would allow gambling on the games anymore. That was the big thing with the XFL, the WWE guaranteed to Vegas that they would manipulate the games like they did to wrestling matches so that Vegas would put out a line and take bets on the game.

With that said I do think NFL games have been and still are occasionally fixed by organized crime or whoever but not the NFL. I think maybe 1 or 2 games total per season might be fixed. I think a fix would be done more to punish someone or make a point than as a way to make $ since it seems that trying to organize a fix to make $ is way more difficult than just going to Vegas, using the mountain of information available and making a bet.

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Fixed by organized crime?
How would they go about fixing it?

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lol this thread

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1076914]Fixed by organized crime?
How would they go about fixing it?[/quote]

It seems pretty easy by getting a player or a ref to "miss" a play or 2. Its not like it has to be every play, just 1 or 2 can easily turn a game. Someone like Aaron Hernandez would be a prime candidate for this considering all the shady people he seemed to be hanging around with. Its not like it hasnt been done in other sports. I am stunned by the naivete of the people on this board who think that game fixing is impossible.

I dont think it happens often but I do think it happens occasionally.

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It's not impossible to fix a game, but I think it's next to impossible to keep it covered up.

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I think some of you dismissed this way too quickly. The NFL being fixed is unlikely, but it isn't implausible. I'd like to hear the arguments refuting all the evidence Ram29 brought out, besides it being too "hard to cover up" to be plausible.

The NFL as entertainment instead of sport? That's the part that really makes me mad. The NFL doesn't give a rat's ass about preserving the game or the integrity of it... all they care about is making money. That's why we have all these stupid rule changes like practically(and it will happen completely soon) eliminating the kickoff.

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[quote=SirLK26;1076921]I think some of you dismissed this way too quickly. The NFL being fixed is unlikely, but it isn't implausible. [COLOR="Red"][B]I'd like to hear the arguments refuting all the evidence Ram29 brought out[/B][/COLOR], besides it being too "hard to cover up" to be plausible.

The NFL as entertainment instead of sport? That's the part that really makes me mad. The NFL doesn't give a rat's ass about preserving the game or the integrity of it... all they care about is making money. That's why we have all these stupid rule changes like practically(and it will happen completely soon) eliminating the kickoff.[/quote]

Its from two sources that are credible how?
Anyone can make a blog and start caterwauling.
I started to read it and stopped.
It reminds me of the "9/11 was an inside job" blogs.
Its speculation.
Show me a confession or a conviction.
*Insert large [B]roll eyes[/B] icon here*

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It's like asking someone to refute the "evidence" that we didn't land on the moon. C'mon man.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1076925][B]Its from two sources that are credible how?
Anyone can make a blog and start caterwauling.[/B]
I started to read it and stopped.
It reminds me of the "9/11 was an inside job" blogs.
Its speculation.
Show me a confession or a conviction.
*Insert large [B]roll eyes[/B] icon here*[/quote]

Sure, but if they make good arguments, that's a moot point.

I haven't dug deep enough for evidence of my own because I don't think it's true and it's never bothered me that much. I just wanted compelling arguments from those who immediately said it was ridiculous.

[quote=Mattyk;1076927]It's like asking someone to refute the "evidence" that we didn't land on the moon. C'mon man.[/quote]

[url=http://www.weather.com/news/moon-landing-proven-20130123]Here's Your Proof that We Did, in Fact, Land on the Moon - weather.com[/url]

See, that's how this game is played. :D

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Problem is no matter what evidence is offered, the mouth breathers will come up with new BS or just flat out deny the truth. That's how the conspiracy theory game works.

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If NFL games are fixed, our team sucks at fixing games. You'd think we'd have a few more wins.

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You guys just can't see the truth! Wake up sheeple, the truth is right in front of your eyes!

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I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was some match fixing in the NFL. It's happened in the NBA and throughout the soccer world, why not NFL? Are they so morally superior to every other sport that they're above it? Doubtful.

That being said, I don't think the entire product is guided like this article implies. It seems to make the argument that SB champs are preordained before the season even starts, lol.

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WTF thread

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[quote=Schneed10;1076941]WTF thread[/quote]

Schneed, the mob runs the NFL.

Woulda made a great Soprano episode. I could just see Tony acting all chummy with "da commishh" and then at the bing, getting the plot together to fix a game.

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I hear Scully and Mulder are working the case. The truth is out there.

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[quote=HoustonSkinsFan;1076940]I wouldn't be surprised at all if there was some match fixing in the NFL. It's happened in the NBA and throughout the soccer world, why not NFL? Are they so morally superior to every other sport that they're above it? Doubtful.

[B]That being said, I don't think the entire product is guided like this article implies. It seems to make the argument that SB champs are preordained before the season even starts, lol.[/B][/quote]

Preach

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:bs:So I can buy a super bowl but I can't buy my way through drug or player suspensions .:bs:

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these rules make it convenient to bend games by officials

Now, here are some plays in a game that are non-reviewable:
•Penalties. Under no circumstance can a penalty call be reviewed.
•Forward progress. It's a judgement call on the field by the officials.
•A fumble after the whistle has blown. At that point, the play is considered dead and can't be reviewed.
•Any kick going above the uprights
•Inadvertent whistles
•Recovery of a fumble in the field of play

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[quote=ram29jackson;1076965]these rules make it convenient to bend games by officials

Now, here are some plays in a game that are non-reviewable:
•Penalties. Under no circumstance can a penalty call be reviewed.
•Forward progress. It's a judgement call on the field by the officials.
•A fumble after the whistle has blown. At that point, the play is considered dead and can't be reviewed.
•Any kick going above the uprights
•Inadvertent whistles
•Recovery of a fumble in the field of play[/quote]

Actually I think the 2 fumble rules are wrong now. I am pretty sure both are reviewable. BUT, from a tinfoil perspective, having non-reviewable plays actually makes the game harder to fix. If you have non-reviewable plays you have to set more tracks in motion to affect the outcome of a game. Once plays are reviewable, you can fix it with the replay official, and steer games in your direction by gradual changes.