Ferguson
 

I know several were closed earlier in the offseason because of the repetitious and sometimes juvenile bickering, but can we all agree that the situation in Ferguson right now is reprehensible. And the minimal covering on some news outlets is indefensible. I was watching live footage and the police were firing canister after canister of tear gas at an unorganized weaponless and defenseless group of people who were holding there hands in the air. Regardless of what spark set this off, either the sstate or national government needs to step in and set the Ferguson police right.

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/id-officer-killed-teen-festering-issue-195808507.html]Protests turn violent in St. Louis suburb[/url]

I can only imagine how this sets our country back...

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It's pretty awful. Heard a full run down of the incident at McDonalds this morning, scary.

Also saw a video that was shot showing a news crew on camera, set up on the sidewalk alone, just the news crew. Next thing you see is a canister come in spewing out smoke or gas, which forces the crew to run away from all their equipment.

Hopefully it starts to show signs of improvement there soon.

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The whole situation is tragic and there are so many shameful aspects of it it's hard to even want to care anymore.

These stories always have the same trends...

- Why is it every time a (seemingly) tragic event occurs to a black kid it's immediately made a racial issue?

- Why are so many people so infatuated with rushing to judgement? Sure, yellow journalism is on display in its finest right now but the only reason they do it is because it works. The people saying the cop was absolutely in the wrong are as much the problem as the people saying the cop was absolutely in the right. The only investigative authority on the issue, the FBI, has yet to release any information. They key witness in the issue is refusing to talk to police. So with what facts and confidence does anyone form an opinion one way or the other? The answer is none - they're speculating and falling back on preconceived thoughts on these issues - whether they be anti-black, anti-white, anti-police, pro-all the aforementioned, or anything else.

- why do low income/poor communities have this gut reaction to riot, loot, and destroy their communities? spare me the "they're discouraged by corrupt police/local politics" - they did this during Katrina too. it's a running theme - when these areas face turmoil a substantial part of the local community decides to use the turmoil to excuse raping and beating each other, looting local business and destroying personal property.

and it all comes back to the rush to judgement. there are NO facts available in this case. we have a bunch of random people from the community telling the media what they saw - with no way of verifying any of it - and we have the local police chief repeating the version of the police officer making sure to include the word 'allegedly' everywhere (notice how people have turned into the entire police department defending the police officer? it's a joke.) that's it. there are no facts. anyone claiming otherwise is simply making things up.

these issues just make me realize that as a society we're so much further behind than we all like to think we are. intelligent and thoughtful evaluation of serious issues is almost non existent, and majority of people seem to latch on to emotionally driven BS more than facts. the racial tensions in this country are not good, cheer the election of the first black president all you want we still have a fundamental problem in this country and it's on *both* sides. our media is completely and utterly worthless and our own populace has no desire to try to correct it - they'd rather participate in it then stand back and say it's the media's fault when called on it.


personally... i'm just glad i don't live in a community that would behave this way, and if for some reason it started to i have the means with which to remove my family and myself from the situation. it's a damn shame that in 2014 we don't have any more courage as a society than this.

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The situation is beyond crazy. But to be honest I really havent heard all the facts of the incident...its like the both sides of the people and police are going ape shit, yet I havent heard exactly what happened or the facts of the incident. And as someone who is update on most current events, thats bothersome.

This society of swift condemnation and violent reaction is very troubling. We need to hit the pause button.

One side is looting, protesting-violent and non violent, and the other is in military gear, blasting tear gas in the streets.....

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the President's speech was spot on - everyone needs to take a step back.

Chico - the reason you haven't heard all the facts is because there are none to hear... the people investigating it are not publicly airing their investigation as it goes, which is exactly the way it should be.

What you're hear are people that are self-appointed authorities telling everyone else what happened; people that weren't there that day. Some of which weren't even in the state. Many of which have zero experience or training in police procedures, investigations, etc.

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[quote=tshile;1077530]the President's speech was spot on - everyone needs to take a step back.

Chico - the reason you haven't heard all the facts is because there are none to hear... the people investigating it are not publicly airing their investigation as it goes, which is exactly the way it should be.

What you're hear are people that are self-appointed authorities telling everyone else what happened; people that weren't there that day. Some of which weren't even in the state. Many of which have zero experience or training in police procedures, investigations, etc.[/quote]

One fact, i do know is the police response has been over aggressive and rediculous.

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[quote=tshile;1077530]the President's speech was spot on - everyone needs to take a step back.

Chico - the reason you haven't heard all the facts is because there are none to hear... the people investigating it are not publicly airing their investigation as it goes, which is exactly the way it should be.

What you're hear are people that are self-appointed authorities telling everyone else what happened; people that weren't there that day. Some of which weren't even in the state. Many of which have zero experience or training in police procedures, investigations, etc.[/quote]

It's not unfair to say that there is a ton of video evidence of the police over reaching response. There is a film crew (yeah I know it's al-Jazeera America but nonetheless) that is filming, and gets gassed, then the camera is dismantled by police. There was video of people, unarmed and hands in the air, being bombarded with tear gas. No there hasn't been full and open investigations, but that appears to be mainly because the police have been less than forthcoming with it.

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Chico and CRedskinsRule:

Ah - we're talking about two different things.

My rants on the lack of facts were directed at the initial incident - Brown being shot by the cop. Specifically we have the cop's statements to the Furgeson Police, repeated by the Police Chief, and that's it. The key witness is (as of last time I checked) refusing to talk to the police. The only other people talking are the ones I mentioned earlier that weren't there and don't know.


As for the police response... you have to remember that current picture of Furgeson is not how it's been since the original shooting. It was originally protests and police around the area as you would think.

It only escalated to the military-esque scenes we're seeing on TV now after 2 nights of looting and destruction of property (burning down buildings, cars, etc.) Specifically on the 2nd night police responded to a 911 call about a group of men in ski masks and guns shooting in an area. When cops arrived they actually wound up shooting one of the men, sending him to this hospital (this is a second shooting in the area at this point.) This is when they stepped up the police presence.

All of that is to say - be careful how much you buy into the media's narrative.

The police are absolutely over stepping in some cases. But the narrative seems to be that they just don't like black people protesting and are trying to put a stop to it.

The reality is that after two nights of complete chaos, mass looting, burning of businesses, a second police officer shooting incident, and who knows what else, they brought in these forces to try to maintain control over a tension-filled situation.

So for all the people that think this is an over reaction - how would you like it if your business was looted and burned to the ground while the police sat by and did nothing (as they originally did for two days)?

For those familiar with the King riot sin LA in '92 - they behaved the opposite of Ferguson. They set up a perimeter and tried to keep the riots contained instead of inserting a strong presence from the start and keeping control. It's taken almost 2 decades for the entire area to move past it, and in some ways it still hasn't. Businesses were lost for good. People were raped, beaten. Some people died. Some people were beaten almost to death because their skin is white.

If you're not familair with those stories this is a good read I sent to someone else earlier - [url=http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0425/Twenty-years-later-Rodney-King-riots-still-resonate]Twenty years later, Rodney King riots still resonate - CSMonitor.com[/url]

There's documentaries out on that side of the King riots as well. There were Koreans on top of buildings with rifles protecting their blocks of businesses in Korea town.

These business owners and citizens not involved in the riots pay taxes to be protected. This is why we have police. To maintain order.

I'm sure some of the officers in some incidents are being way over the top - but I have a hard time solely blaming them. It's a disaster down there right now.

The FAA declared a no fly zone over the area days ago...

As for the media members... I have no sympathy for people that go to a place like this seeking headlines. Specifically by staying out past curfew. They have a curfew for a reason and those reporters are not special. If they choose not to follow the orders of the police in regards to the curfew then they get what they deserve in my opinion.

This situation is entirely too tense for the amount of yellow journalism that is going on right now. It serves no one any good. Well, except for ratings I suppose.

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Also i believe the unarmed people with their hands in the air being video recorded - it was dark in that video correct? I haven't seen it, but I believe I've seen a picture from the video (or a screen grab) and it was dark?

if so - it's after curfew. no sympathy from me. in my opinion: you don't get to incite the police to come after you for violating a curfew put in place because of mass riots, looting, and violence then cry when they tear gas you; even if you're just standing there with your hands in the air.

the people that stage that so they can get a good headline should be locked up for a day or two in my opinion. they've become part of the problem at that point.

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[url=http://twitter.github.io/interactive/ferguson/]#Ferguson[/url]

no sympathy from me for the police. from a distance a thousand excuses will always be made.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/storyline/wp/2014/08/12/why-the-police-shooting-riots-in-ferguson-mo-had-little-to-do-with-ferguson/]Why the police-shooting riots in Ferguson, Mo., had little to do with Ferguson - The Washington Post[/url]

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It seems they have revealed the name since then but the Chief says that the officer named isn't on the roster. Still kind of scary that 14 year old kids have gotten this good.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2014/08/14/hackers-have-the-names-and-social-security-numbers-of-ferguson-police-but-should-they-share-them/]Hackers have the names and Social Security numbers of Ferguson police. But should they share them? - The Washington Post[/url]
[QUOTE]David, a.k.a. Pharoah, doesn’t hold a political office or opine for CNN. But this week, the 14-year-old hacker mounted what might have been one of the more personally damaging attacks against Ferguson, Mo.’s embattled police department: the name — and the address, and the Social Security number — of St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar.
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[IMG]http://img.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp-content/uploads/sites/32/2014/08/dox.jpg[/IMG]

[url=http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/anonymous-ferguson-police-killing-unarmed-michael-brown]Anonymous' "Op Ferguson" Says It Will ID the Officer Who Killed Michael Brown | Mother Jones[/url]

[url=http://kfor.com/2014/08/14/anonymous-reveals-alleged-ferguson-shooters-name/]Update: Anonymous reveals alleged Ferguson shooter’s name, Police says group gets it wrong | KFOR.com[/url]

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Sweet. Not only may we see vigilante justice, but it might be against the wrong person.

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Simple enough for the police to release the name of the shooter. It is beyond poor judgment that they didn't immediately. He shot and killed an individual, good shoot or bad, he doesn't have any right to privacy, and the cover up is reprehensible.

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You give no credence to the idea that it's for his safety while an investigation is ongoing?

You think it means there's a cover up going on?

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I think the key thing I want to know: did this kid wrestle with the police officer or not?

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[quote=tshile;1077592]You give no credence to the idea that it's for his safety while an investigation is ongoing?

You think it means there's a cover up going on?[/quote]

No, I don't accept that as a valid rationale. If I were to shoot someone, even in a heated exchange, my name would not be withheld for safety purposes. In fact it would be published out right. The better tact, imo, would have been to release the name, and at the same time release a statement that he has been suspended (with or without pay) while the investigation is ongoing. To show the community that a police officer can't shoot someone with impunity. Now maybe that would not have calmed the situation, but that is the appropriate way to handle it. Further, if you look at Ferguson, like in the Post article I posted earlier, this is not a community prone to violent resorts, and if they felt the situation was being handled openly, then I believe their response would have been more measured.

My use of the term cover up was probably poor word choice, I don't know that a coverup was going on, I do think police arrogance and refusal to acknowledge the community's anger, justifiable or not, was what was on display. And not releasing the name was a big FU to the community.

Finally, I think the vigilante justice aspect is ridiculous. With proper safeguards, no one was going to gun down Officer Wilson lest the police might over react and bring out militarized vehicles and start tear gassing them, oh wait...

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If you shot someone it wouldn't cause mass riots for almost a week due to allegations of racism and corruption among the police force. That's why they wouldn't have any trouble releasing your name.


So they were forced to release his name.

Oh and the fact that Brown was suspected of assault and robbery of a local store.

So much for the innocent college kid walking in the street gunned down by the white racist simply because he's black narrative.

I'm sure all the people that immediately called everyone racist and rioted will apologize.

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[quote=Chico23231;1077607]I think the key thing I want to know: did this kid wrestle with the police officer or not?[/quote]

According to CNN, they've spoken to eye witnesses that say they did indeed wrestle. They used the word 'tussle'

though the details of said tussle are a conflicting.

the more that comes out from officials the more the cop's story seems to line up with the facts.

the less the early narrative of innocent young black man in the street makes sense...

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[quote=tshile;1077612]If you shot someone it wouldn't cause mass riots for almost a week due to allegations of racism and corruption among the police force. That's why they wouldn't have any trouble releasing your name.


So they were forced to release his name.

Oh and the fact that Brown was suspected of assault and robbery of a local store.

So much for the innocent college kid walking in the street gunned down by the white racist simply because he's black narrative.

I'm sure all the people that immediately called everyone racist and rioted will apologize.[/quote]
So you basically accept the spoon fed police narrative, but disregard pictures of local police tear gassing and arresting journalists, and citizens. You also seem to disregard the fact that once the "good ole boy" local police were removed there was no need for tear gas, and suddenly the same citizens that were being teargassed now were able to go through the evening with only 3 rocks thrown.

two sides to every coin I guess.

Presumed innocence for the guy who was killed goes a lot further for me than a town's cops putting out the story 5 days after the fact in a way that makes them look the best they possibly could given the events of the intervening days.

And releasing his name wouldn't have caused mass riots, it was the fact that they did NOT release his name that caused the riots, AND if they had released the name, and the riots still occurred, there would be much less sympathy for those who rioted than when the police look like they are protecting one of their own.

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[quote=tshile;1077612]If you shot someone it wouldn't cause mass riots for almost a week due to allegations of racism and corruption among the police force. That's why they wouldn't have any trouble releasing your name.


So they were forced to release his name.

Oh and the fact that Brown was suspected of assault and robbery of a local store.

So much for the innocent college kid walking in the street gunned down by the white racist simply because he's black narrative.

I'm sure all the people that immediately called everyone racist and rioted will apologize.[/quote]

So are you good with how everything went down?

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well wait, let's not get carried away here.

I'm willing to believe the official reports from the people investigating the issue unless they're proven to be false.

I don't disregard the pictures of tear gassing journalists and people - I said I have no sympathy for people that stay out past curfew when the curfew was established because of mass rioting, looting, and destruction of property over MULTIPLE DAYS.

Just a little bit of a differnece there.

And you and all the media can say things are calmer now because the 'gool ole boy' local police force was removed all you want, you've been disingenuous from the start and now that your narrative on the 'victim' is falling to shit everyone's desperately looking to change the topic to anything else. But as I said earlier - days 1 and 2 were nothing like days 3 and 4, and things have slowly deescalated since day 4. There are multiple reasons for that, and yes one of the many reasons is because the local police force was replaced.

But pretending that was the only reason... well, lol.

Presumed innocence? I never questioned the presumed innocence - I had no facts about the case and I knew that. I've presumed nothing at any point. My entire stance on this issue has been that way too many people jumped the gun and tried to pick a side and defend that side and attack the other. I've said that's the problem with people in our country today. That's an utterly stupid way to behave - especially when it comes with the destruction of property and the ruining of people's lives.

But many others, on the other hand, immediately accused the cops of wrong doing. Many have said it's because of racism. Others went out of their way to say this kid was an innocent victim and there's NO reason for this.

Now we find out he was an assault and robbery suspect. L-O-L.

I guess we'll just have to disagree on the cause of the riots. Those people wanted their version of justice - without any facts. When they didn't get what they wanted they took to protesting and some took to rioting, looting, and destruction of property.

At first I wondered if people that were so quick to declare this kid innocent, the cop guilty, and anyone who disagreed racist would apologize if they were found out to have been wrong and jumped to conclusions (like many warned.)

The answer is clear. Not only will they not apologize - they're reaching desperately to cling to anything that supports their original narrative.

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It never ceases to amaze me, how people can view pretty much the same facts, and yet come to polar opposite conclusions. And this from people with little or no direct connection to the events being discussed. What it does make me realize is how easy it is for real conflicts and wars can escalate when people with passions and direct stakes in the outcomes are involved.

tshile, I basically disagree with every point of your last statement, but I don't think it's unreasoned, or inherently biased. Likewise, I have no axe to grind, and come from a pretty basic Republican background, though I am a pretty strong Libertarian at this point, I've even voted for 1 (:D). To me, this was an extreme case of police overreach and covering their own ass to the detriment of the community they work for. As I read you, it was merely a (possibly) overaggressive response to a community that was out of control.

I don't think I ever would be behind police assault tactics like we saw used on civilians and journalists in the way we saw them (and when I was an MP, I trained with riot gear frequently). I guess you are saying that there are cases where a police force should be able to use those tools on journalists and unarmed civilians.

I guess we can always agree to disagree.

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I'm not saying I like it - I'm saying that after two days of rioting, looting, and burning of businesses to the ground, and after the Ferguson policed department had a **second** police shooting, I understand why they stepped it up a knotch.

Especially when you look back at the '92 King riots.

I'm sure you can find examples of the police making mistakes. In my opinion that's bound to happen in a situation like that, and for those that expect the police to always be perfect with no excuses - hah, is that the standard you live your life to? is your life/job as dangerous as theirs?

i'm not happy about any of it - but i understand it. and I don't think journalists should be able to violate curfew in a dangerous situation simply so the rest of us can sit on our asses and watch it after work.

i just wonder how different your view would be if it was your business that was destroyed. or if you were a cop being hit with rocks.

where i start getting irritated is with blatant twisting of facts. the worse is saying that the people are acting like this because of the military-esque presence - completely ignoring that they have their cause and effect completely backwards. it was two nights of rioting, looting, and burning businesses down that brought in the military.

what makes me laugh hysterically is who is twisting the facts. the people demanding everyone get angry about this. the whole narrative for days was how the police down there are racist. turns out the kid and his buddy, the eye witness who's story the media ran with for days without even questioning, were involved in an assault and robbery of a business down the street.


now all of that is to say - we could find out in two or three weeks the cops are full of crap. and if so they should be tried and sentenced accordingly, and I'll change my mind on the subject.

i've never once, from the start of this, been set either way on any of this.

i'm just laughing at all the idiots that were. they're being proven wrong. i don't know why so many people love to jump to conclusions like that.

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[quote=Chico23231;1077617]So are you good with how everything went down?[/quote]

no. the riots were unnecessary and without them the step up in police presence wouldn't have occurred.

from the start this should have been a - bring in the state and FBI, do an investigation, lets see what actually happened - kind of story. nothing else.

but the media likes riling everyone up, and at this point i've just come to realize that people like being riled up. they love feeling righteous. they want to attach themselves to something they think others will view as deeply important, or maybe even historic.

and that's dangerous. looks what it brings. look at who participates in it.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1077620]To me, this was an extreme case of police overreach and covering their own ass to the detriment of the community they work for. As I read you, it was merely a (possibly) overaggressive response to a community that was out of control.

I don't think I ever would be behind police assault tactics like we saw used on civilians and journalists in the way we saw them (and when I was an MP, I trained with riot gear frequently). I guess you are saying that there are cases where a police force should be able to use those tools on journalists and unarmed civilians.

I guess we can always agree to disagree.[/quote]First off, the police were correct to withhold the name of the officer. When you have out-of-area agitators (NBPP, Al Sharpton, the media fanning flames of racism without facts) and straight out thugs and looters looking to take advantage of the situation shouldn't the officer and his family be protected from the threat of vigilante justice? Don't you remember the NBPP issuing a bounty on George Zimmerman?

Now it turns out Mike Brown robbed a store just prior to the incident with the police officer. Brown isn't a small guy and if (as witnesses have stated along with the police) he resisted and struggled with the officer and went for his gun....well the officer has a right to go home to his family and not end up dead.

How many police officers have been murdered in the US by gunfire in 2014? Answer 27, should Darren Wilson have been number 28?

How many young black men have been murdered by other young black men in 2014? I don't know the exact stats, but it's over 3,000. Where's the outrage about these murders? What is the NBPP, Al Sharpton, et al doing to stop that violence? Those are young American lives tragically and senselessly lost

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for what it's worth:

"Ferguson Police Chief Thomas Jackson told reporters the alleged "robbery does not relate to the initial contact between the officer and Michael Brown.""

So - I fell into the trap of doing what I was so angry for others doing, jumping to conclusions. I thought that information came from the police chief, but I guess it (like all the other 'information') came from the media and its bogus sources.

So... i'm firmly back at 'wait for FBI report' mode. And feeling quite silly that I allowed myself to get carried away with false information :(

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And now the same police chief is saying the video definitely is Brown, and Brown's family even confirmed it's him.

And the officer spent multiple days in the hospital which seems to back his story of there being an altercation preceding the shooting.

What a mess. The local authorities should have not bent to the pressure of the media, the community, and political figures and kept their mouths shut until the investigation was complete and they were ready to reveal all the facts.

I was willing to give them a break (somewhat) in how they were handling things because it was a bad situation, but at this point they're making things worse.

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So they pulled back the heavy police presence and those still there have been ordered to not do anything.

How'd last night and this morning go?

Looks like it went real swell.

Hope all the people saying the police were over reacting are happy now. Though I can't help but notice it's not their businesses and their community being destroyed.

Also lol at the CNN crew getting attacked. Your whole station has helped craft the military-war-zone narrative and are part of the people condemning the police. Maybe now you get it?

Probably not.

No one learned anything from the King riots in '92. Not a god damned thing.

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Also can't help but notice CNN is referring to the robbery that Michael Brown was caught on video as 'the alleged robbery' and the shooting as the 'slaying of an innocent black teenager'

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If you listened to the reports you also may have heard that residents stepped in to confront and try to stop the looters. Was it as successful as tear gas maybe not but most residents aren't sitting and looting.
Again who knows if Brown was involved in an earlier robbery but his outright murder was what sparked this, especially if he was unarmed.

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Ok , just a question ? Did we ever find out why Brown and the other person were attacking the officer inside his patrol car ?

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[quote=tshile;1077666]Also can't help but notice CNN is referring to the robbery that Michael Brown was caught on video as 'the alleged robbery' and the shooting as the 'slaying of an innocent black teenager'[/quote]

Because cnn is the worst news channel in the history of news and they are intentionally fanning the racism flames and referring to brown as a choir boy which he clearing isn't.

I think for the future all police will be required to wear a body camera when responding to calls. That way accountability and transparency will be clear. Think there should be a push for a law demanding it. All this foolishness would end

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Great story of the community stepping up to defend storefronts against looters.

And while the alleged robbery may have had no effect on Wilson's behavior in this incident, it may have had an effect on Brown's behavior. Maybe Brown did rob the store, and panicked when confronted by the officer?

Agree with Chico. More dash cam and GoPro type cameras can't come soon enough. The two sides stories are so far apart, at least one side is lying through their ***.

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[quote=Giantone;1077675]Ok , just a question ? Did we ever find out why Brown and the other person were attacking the officer inside his patrol car ?[/quote]

I haven't seen anything other than eye witness' accounts that the media has played. I don't believe any of the investigating units have made any comment on that. Which is probably the most important question of the whole thing... what happened that led to the actual shooting.

The protests, riots, and police actions are what majority of the story is about at this point.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1077669]If you listened to the reports you also may have heard that residents stepped in to confront and try to stop the looters. Was it as successful as tear gas maybe not but most residents aren't sitting and looting.
Again who knows if Brown was involved in an earlier robbery but his outright murder was what sparked this, especially if he was unarmed.[/quote]

The story of people in the community taking a stand is the only good thing coming out of it so far in my opinion. Not going to lie - when I saw the video of them trying to help protect their community I got the warm and fuzzies for a minute. It briefly restored my faith in humanity just a bit.

Just for JR

Last night before the curfew.
[QUOTE=@RobertKlemko] The National Lawyers Guild is here to watch the police interactions. [url]http://t.co/4s6vg8SGZ5[/url] [/QUOTE]

Can't you just see a gaggle of personal injury lawyers watching the curfew line with cameras and business cards at the ready.

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Skins receiver Garcon tweets hands up don't shoot picture

[URL]http://instagram.com/p/rzjKnyONpl/[/URL]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1077713]Skins receiver Garcon tweets hands up don't shoot picture

[url=http://instagram.com/p/rzjKnyONpl/]Instagram[/url][/quote]

That's cool, but is a fact this even happened to brown? Did he have his hands up and said don't shoot and the police shot him? Or is this the narrative insistent by cnn and social media?

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It is the narrative definitely. I doubt we will ever know for sure. The feds have been asked to do an autopsy. But unless the cop's car had a recording device I doubt the last minutes will be known.

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Interesting to follow @robertklemko on twitter. He is on the ground with protesters in Ferguson. Just got teargassed and pulled put by a cop.