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Everything. The end.

Other then this board I can't think of one positive reason to be a Redskins fan anymore.

This franchise just plain blows.

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Had to turn it off. Went to bed early....fell asleep with my Riggens jersey on.....sigh.

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OL , QB and coverage . This team needs a RT , RG and either a S / SS that is a threat in coverage . I think we will be ok at corner . We should have a top 5 pick , so we should have our choice of Top Tackles and DB's .

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The score

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The defense is atrocious, how does Haslett keep his job?

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Cousins pretty much doomed the young secondary and the defense. If your QB throws 4 INTs, your defense will not look good. Giving the opposing offenses good filed position and leaving your defense with no rest. We need to figure out how to stop the seam route. We need to get Moses coached up. We need to teach Cousins some intestinal fortitude (can you teach that?). RG3 would have taken the punishment and taken the responsibility on his self. RG3 does no throw passes up for grabs because he is under pressure. I noticed in the Eagles game when Cousins got hit or sacked. He looked terrified, he had the look of horror. RG3 took a lot of hits but that is better than throwing picks.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1086548]The defense is atrocious, how does Haslett keep his job?[/quote]


Cousins 4 INTS is why the defense looked so bad.


I forgot about the 2 fumbles.

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Coaching, offense, defense, fans(or lack there of), special teams, uniforms. Other than those minor issues I think this team is on the verge of something really horrible. TGIF

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Cousins
Riley
Meriweather
Amerson
Porter
D-line
Haslett (please replace with Baker)
Polumbus
Breeland
Paulsen

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My issue remains that there appears to be an overall inability by the FO, to draft accordingly and logically, in a manner which alolows the team to be competitive at the very least. The current crop of rookies being a perfect example.

Now, let me say first of all I’m not blaming them as players. The team picked them after all, through what I can only presume was diligent scouting over time. But it’s the decision making process applied to areas of weakness that has me genuinely concerned going forward more than anything.

Trent Murphy, was drafted because what can be perceived as the team pre-empting Orakpo’s contract situation, and viewing him as a potential replacement, yes? Is he an upgrade on Rak? I guess nobody really knows at this stage. Thing is though, why was the FO trying to be smart by (a) not only taking an OLB in a position where, at the time (and now) it isn’t a priority and (b) trading down in the process? In doing so, someone like Joel Bitonio, who I was pretty high on closer the draft (I hold my hands up that I also said David Yankey would have been a wise investment here lol) could have been had, and could have made a considerable difference on an offensive line which has had its problems for too long, and clearly the FO felt this way also by taking Spencer Long in the 3rd. But that in itself underlines further what I’m getting at. Guard was a something of a priority, and yet they draft an OLB?!

I mean, I know the draft is a lottery regardless of where a team is picking, but I guess what I’m saying is it’s so damn frustrating because I just feel that this team isn’t in a position to be cute when given the opportunity to rebuild in a manner which allows genuinely stable foundations to be laid. Instead, what we seemingly have then is a handful of talented individuals on both sides of the ball, but not enough that they’re capable of making any one particular unit on this team a strength.

My question then is, and without turning this into a draft/FA debate after only 4 games, but honestly, which of the many average-poor units on the team should be addressed first? And by addressing, do we go properly all in instead of a solitary plaster (*band-aid*) solution to a deep wound?

Lastly, and yes, it’s likely naive on my part, but do perennial underachievers like ourselves get better by, again focusing on one area, say the offensive line, and investing say a high draft pick in each of the first 2 rounds, whilst perhaps surviving in other areas, say the secondary for another season by being patient until the next opportunity to address it in a similar manner? Or is that maybe just soccer guy not understanding the logistics of the NFL lol (I’ll accept it if it is)?

Again, apologies for simplifying the problem and focusing on all things draft etc when things run much deeper than that. I just look at it as something this franchise either doesn’t seem to get, or simply doesn’t seem to hit on (can anyone be [I]that[/I] unlucky really though?).

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[QUOTE=Starry Plough;1086558]My issue remains that there appears to be an overall inability by the FO, to draft accordingly and logically, in a manner which alolows the team to be competitive at the very least. The current crop of rookies being a perfect example.



Now, let me say first of all I’m not blaming them as players. The team picked them after all, through what I can only presume was diligent scouting over time. But it’s the decision making process applied to areas of weakness that has me genuinely concerned going forward more than anything.



Trent Murphy, was drafted because what can be perceived as the team pre-empting Orakpo’s contract situation, and viewing him as a potential replacement, yes? Is he an upgrade on Rak? I guess nobody really knows at this stage. Thing is though, why was the FO trying to be smart by (a) not only taking an OLB in a position where, at the time (and now) it isn’t a priority and (b) trading down in the process? In doing so, someone like Joel Bitonio, who I was pretty high on closer the draft (I hold my hands up that I also said David Yankey would have been a wise investment here lol) could have been had, and could have made a considerable difference on an offensive line which has had its problems for too long, and clearly the FO felt this way also by taking Spencer Long in the 3rd. But that in itself underlines further what I’m getting at. Guard was a something of a priority, and yet they draft an OLB?!



I mean, I know the draft is a lottery regardless of where a team is picking, but I guess what I’m saying is it’s so damn frustrating because I just feel that this team isn’t in a position to be cute when given the opportunity to rebuild in a manner which allows genuinely stable foundations to be laid. Instead, what we seemingly have then is a handful of talented individuals on both sides of the ball, but not enough that they’re capable of making any one particular unit on this team a strength.



My question then is, and without turning this into a draft/FA debate after only 4 games, but honestly, which of the many average-poor units on the team should be addressed first? And by addressing, do we go properly all in instead of a solitary plaster (*band-aid*) solution to a deep wound?



Lastly, and yes, it’s likely naive on my part, but do perennial underachievers like ourselves get better by, again focusing on one area, say the offensive line, and investing say a high draft pick in each of the first 2 rounds, whilst perhaps surviving in other areas, say the secondary for another season by being patient until the next opportunity to address it in a similar manner? Or is that maybe just soccer guy not understanding the logistics of the NFL lol (I’ll accept it if it is)?



Again, apologies for simplifying the problem and focusing on all things draft etc when things run much deeper than that. I just look at it as something this franchise either doesn’t seem to get, or simply doesn’t seem to hit on (can anyone be [I]that[/I] unlucky really though?).[/QUOTE]


I agree 150%. We need to replace BA - nobody ever mentions the FO. Its like as long as there is no Vinnie there is no problem. Its just not that simple though.

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I cant believe I actually stayed up and watched this A$$ Whooping. We aught to go ahead and let some other team play in that stadium so we can pay the bills. Because the Skins just isnt getting it done. No defense, no offense, no team!

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Im gonna give Kirk another chance as far as what i think of him. All week the media was talking this guy up and its the first time hes really had to deal with the feedback. All the oh is he gonna take rgs job ect ect it might have been in his head. At least he was slinging the thing when we were down. His chance is next week. U gunsling that defense and we win hes legit again like magic n everyone assumes he just was off this past thursday.

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[quote=Skins4L;1086578]Im gonna give Kirk another chance as far as what i think of him. All week the media was talking this guy up and its the first time hes really had to deal with the feedback. All the oh is he gonna take rgs job ect ect it might have been in his head. At least he was slinging the thing when we were down. His chance is next week. U gunsling that defense and we win hes legit again like magic n everyone assumes he just was off this past thursday.[/quote]

You are definately better than me, after 4 interceptions last night and a fumble, Im just not sure who I like any more!

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The last qb to throw six picks in a game was Peyton Manning. Just sayin.. So ya never know. He just slung for 400 last week.

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Google "great qbs who have thrown 4 ints" i just did it made me feel better everyone try 2nd link lol

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What no positives and negatives thread?:smashfreak:

Positives:
There is no longer a qb controversy

Negatives:
There is no longer a qb controversy

This team just sucks,get ready for another last place finish.Every week another key starter gets injured,add to that the mistakes we make= bad team.
We shoot ourselves in the foot every chance we get,I hold my breath on every good play or td waiting for the flag to be thrown.
Orakpo,where the hell are you?
How can we have Desean Jackson,Garcon,Andre Roberts,Morris,etc and suck this bad?

I have been against the name change but now I dont care,we are cursed.Time to change the name and get this curse off us

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Yeah i want to add Orakpo to my list even though i mentioned "defense". This guy is the most overrated player in Redskins History. He NEVER EVER shows up when it counts and pretty much is invisible when it doesnt count too. He is hurt if he isnt invisible. He looks mean, and his name is mean. RAK! It might as well be JACK because thats what he brings to the organization.

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I am a fan of Bruce Allen, but geesh we have 0 depth it seems.

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[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;1086585]I am a fan of Bruce Allen, but geesh we have 0 depth it seems.[/QUOTE]


So why are you a fan? Lol

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Change the name. If you really want to honor native americans, don't associate them with a football team this bad.

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Oh and can everyone please shut the hell up about Cousins. There is a reason he was drafted in the 4th and even Kyle didn't want him.

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[quote=punch it in;1086586]So why are you a fan? Lol[/quote]

Lol! Good point, cause I liked his dad.

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That was a horrible team performance but there were some players who played well.

Tres Way had an outstanding game. He even made a nice tackle.

Alfred Moriis was his usual productive self.

Niles Paul had another good game.

And some others, as well.

I don't want to sound like a blind optimist. I know we have big problems. I'm just so sick about this game that I don't want to talk about the many problems right now. I just wanted to compliment some players who played well in the face of adversity.

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[QUOTE=CrustyRedskin;1086589]Lol! Good point, cause I liked his dad.[/QUOTE]


Good answer! Lol. Figured.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1086590]That was a horrible team performance but there were some players who played well.



Tres Way had an outstanding game. He even made a nice tackle.



Alfred Moriis was his usual productive self.



Niles Paul had another good game.



And some others, as well.



I don't want to sound like a blind optimist. I know we have big problems. I'm just so sick about this game that I don't want to talk about the many problems right now. I just wanted to compliment some players who played well in the face of adversity.[/QUOTE]


Oh no! Not in the negative post game thread you dont!

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[quote=punch it in;1086592]Oh no! Not in the negative post game thread you dont![/quote]

Sorry to spoil the mood.

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And now we got Seattle on MNF well son of a ..k!!!!!! Two nationally televised embarrassments. fuuuuuuudge.

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[IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BydRxCKIMAAL_NC.jpg[/IMG]




PFF stats from the game.


[url]https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/09/26/refo-giants-redskins-week-4/[/url]

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Jay Gruden: ‘We were abysmal offensively and defensively.’ Ohhhhhhhh Jay that's not the only areas

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KC. As well as he played the last two weeks, he just looked lost out there. Not going to give up on him, like we're not giving up on RG3, but that was just horrible. He had deer in the headlights after a couple of those picks.

Riley. Dude get off the field on 3rd down. You can't cover my mom.

Bruce Allen. The heat is now on you for bringing in some of these bums.

Rak. It's official. You're the most over paid player in the NFL.

Merriweather. Rambo actually might be better

O-line. All of you should not even pick up your checks.

Refs. I've had enough of you sorry ass zebras. Some of you should be fired.

Morris. I feel bad that you have to play on this god awful team. You deserve better.

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[quote=Skins4L;1086581]Google "great qbs who have thrown 4 ints" i just did it made me feel better everyone try 2nd link lol[/quote]

Every QB has had a game like this. Matt Ryan threw 3 against Cincy a few weeks ago. But he looked like a rookie last night on some of those throws.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1086597]KC. As well as he played the last two weeks, he just looked lost out there. Not going to give up on him, like we're not giving up on RG3, but that was just horrible. He had deer in the headlights after a couple of those picks.

Riley. Dude get off the field on 3rd down. You can't cover my mom.

Bruce Allen. The heat is now on you for bringing in some of these bums.

Rak. It's official. You're the most over paid player in the NFL.

Merriweather. Rambo actually might be better

O-line. All of you should not even pick up your checks.

Refs. I've had enough of you sorry ass zebras. Some of you should be fired.

[U][B]Morris. I feel bad that you have to play on this god awful team. You deserve better[/B][/U].[/quote]


Man aint that the truth!! Like a rose on a pile of dog crap.

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Meriweather sucks

Why does this team continue to put him on the field?

You have to be a true idiot at this point to think he should step on the field again.

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Lets not forget about Logan "weak hands" Paulsen. Imo that was thee turning point of the game.
Edit: you gotta do everything in your power to not let that happen. Squeeze The shite out of that ball. Twist and turn like Chubby friggin Checkers until u fall down! Wtf!?!

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I wonder how Josh Leribeus' back is doing this morning since he got slammed on it all night.

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I live in KY and paid $300 to buy Sunday Ticket to watch this crap every Sunday. I want a refund!

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I think the Eagles game took a ton out of us. We looked slow off the ball on both lines of scrimmage to me. And Cousins was staring down receivers.

We're also too thin at the moment due to injuries. I still think we have good games ahead of us but it will take more than a good game to beat our next opponent: Seattle.

The sky isn't falling but yeah, we're just not there yet.

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[quote=Skins4L;1086578]Im gonna give Kirk another chance as far as what i think of him. All week the media was talking this guy up and its the first time hes really had to deal with the feedback. All the oh is he gonna take rgs job ect ect it might have been in his head. At least he was slinging the thing when we were down. His chance is next week. U gunsling that defense and we win hes legit again like magic n everyone assumes he just was off this past thursday.[/quote]

Just like I wasn't going to anoint him as a future starter after last week I am not going to relegate him to career back up after this week. Sh!t happens and as atrocious as it was we take our lumps today with the media and as fans at work from the other teams fans.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1086556]Cousins
Riley
Meriweather
Amerson
Porter
D-line
Haslett (please replace with Baker)
Polumbus
Breeland
Paulsen[/quote]


add Orakpo, he is crazy if he thinks he is an elite OLB