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I was totally disgusted at the end of the TNF but I found myself asking these questions. If we didn't have so many injuries to the team would we have be more competitive? I'm pretty sure we would have but does that give us any hope for the future? I guess being a fan I'm programmed to try to find positives to build on. Our defense didn't have much time to rest with the amount of turnovers we had. Are we that bad? Or are the injuries to the core skill players to much to overcome? We were extremely competitive against the Eagles I believe they were a lot better than the Giants. How much did the short week play in preparations to the game plan? What are your thoughts from this angle?

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Injuries certainly have something to do with this awful performance, but Polombus is a starter and so is Merriweather, and Reilly, etc.

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Truthfully, I believe the Giants Suck. We were just outplayed by a crappy team. It doesnt matter if we have guys hurt or not. The one stepping in need to step up and play some football. It was stupid mistakes that were being made last night. Fumbles, interceptions, and penalties. Penalties are killing this team worse than anything. Yes, the Zebras are having bad calls, but there are also some that are just rediculous. Its like there is nothing happening to these guys if they get one. I'm suprised when we played the Eagles, that we did as good as we did. Because last night I wanted to climb in a hole and say I dont even know who the Redskins are!

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As I said in another thread, we're not good enough to overcome the injuries we have. Once again, I'm not justifying such a horrible performance, but it's not like we have one or two guys out. I believe we had 17 players on the injury list coming to this game, we probably will have more for the next game.

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I like our depth but the injuries are just out of control right now and have us stretched way too thin. Gotta hope some guys can heal up over the next 10 days.

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Injuries happen. I liked our depth for developmental purposes but guys who should've been developed couldn't cut it - Gettis, Rambo and others I just don't want to look up right now. We have one guy from our 2013 draft that is on the active roster - Amerson.

Rome wasn't built in a day but, holy bejeebuss, it shouldn't take 20 years to by some goddamn bricks.

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All I can say is J. Reed you better get your ass on the field. No way Paul plays and, leaving our TE receiving threats as Paulson and T. Bosler.

BTW - that was a vicious hit on Paul. I don't think it was intentional - another bang bang play - but it was the kind that made you go "ohhhhh!!" Hope he is okay. I have been a N. Paul fan from the beginning.

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The "no legs" factor is also going unnoticed. We expended so much energy in that Eagles game between the pace, the physical nature, and the big brawl. I don't think we had any legs.

But yeah, injuries are killing us and boneheaded play too. Polumbus is just physically overmatched, and the secondary looks like it's being coached poorly, especially Meriweather looks like he needs to relearn the pop warner basics.

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[quote=Schneed10;1086658]The "no legs" factor is also going unnoticed. We expended so much energy in that Eagles game between the pace, the physical nature, and the big brawl. I don't think we had any legs.

But yeah, injuries are killing us and boneheaded play too. Polumbus is just physically overmatched, and the secondary looks like it's being coached poorly, especially Meriweather looks like he needs to relearn the pop warner basics.[/quote]didnt the patriots outwork us in the joint practice this preseason?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1086659]didnt the patriots outwork us in the joint practice this preseason?[/quote]

This confuses me. All I am left to think is that you didn't understand my point.

Coming off the short week and how tough the Eagles game was, I think we had no legs going into the Giants game.

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[quote=Schneed10;1086660]This confuses me. All I am left to think is that you didn't understand my point.

Coming off the short week and how tough the Eagles game was, I think we had no legs going into the Giants game.[/quote]

Im not sure, but i think he was suggesting that they weren't conditioned properly during training camp for endurance, which compounds your point that they weren't fresh after the eagles game.

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[quote=WillH;1086662]Im not sure, but i think he was suggesting that they weren't conditioned properly during training camp for endurance, which compounds your point that they weren't fresh after the eagles game.[/quote]thank you will. That is exactly what i am referring to. The patriots worked late in the practice, while our guys goofed off. Big surprise we had no legs last night.

The giants had the same short week we did, ffs. Were they gassed?

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[quote=Schneed10;1086660]This confuses me. All I am left to think is that you didn't understand my point.

Coming off the short week and how tough the Eagles game was, I think we had no legs going into the Giants game.[/quote]

Short games benefit the home team. Every home team has won so far... except for last night.

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[quote=donofriose;1086670]Short games benefit the home team. Every home team has won so far... except for last night.[/quote]

Yeah but we're a below average team with 17 players listed in the injury report. Once again, the team's sorry ass performance is inexcusable, but it is hard to ignore the injuries.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1086671]Yeah but we're a below average team with 17 players listed in the injury report. Once again, the team's sorry ass performance is inexcusable, but it is hard to ignore the injuries.[/quote]cant poor conditioning lead to injuries?

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[quote=HailGreen28;1086672]cant poor conditioning lead to injuries?[/quote]

I've noticed more injuries all over the NFL. Kansas City has been decimated by injuries, so have the Rams. You can make that argument, but I feel that I've seen more injuries throughout the league this year than any other year.

I think people are trying to get something out of nothing by trying to blame injuries on someone. Maybe if the NFL would allowed for larger rosters, you could rotate players more at certain positions and reduce injuries.

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I get it, Giants were on a short week too, but a big brawl like that takes a ton out of you. You can't condition yourself for something like that in training camp.

Besides, by all accounts Gruden had the team doing a lot of hitting so that should not have been an issue.

Ultimately we didn't execute and it was turnovers that were the problem more than anything. But you could see we didn't have the get-off at the snap on either side of the ball.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1086675][B]I've noticed more injuries all over the NFL. Kansas City has been decimated by injuries, so have the Rams. You can make that argument, but I feel that I've seen more injuries throughout the league this year than any other year.[/B]

I think people are trying to get something out of nothing by trying to blame injuries on someone. Maybe if the NFL would allowed for larger rosters, you could rotate players more at certain positions and reduce injuries.[/quote]

I agree. More injuries and worse injuries this year.

So if the new conditioning regimes created by the new CBA are not responsible, what is?

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They don't bang in practice enough.

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Blaming the brawl is a stretch. These are professional athletes and they just pretty much pushed each other for a minute.
it's not like each guy went 5 rounds with Jon Jones.

With a perfectly healthy team, we still suck.
Morris and Haslett have got to go.

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[quote=jamf;1086694]Blaming the brawl is a stretch. These are professional athletes and they just pretty much pushed each other for a minute.
it's not like each guy went 5 rounds with Jon Jones.

With a perfectly healthy team, we still suck.
Morris and Haslett have got to go.[/quote]

Uncle. You're right.

I still believe in letting the season play out before passing any judgments. But yeah, the thing for the past few years was "Shanny didn't let Haslett run the defense his way."

Well then Haslett you better produce better results now that it's your show, or you're out. One good defensive effort against Jax isn't enough.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1086675]I've noticed more injuries all over the NFL. Kansas City has been decimated by injuries, so have the Rams. You can make that argument, but I feel that I've seen more injuries throughout the league this year than any other year.

I think people are trying to get something out of nothing by trying to blame injuries on someone. Maybe if the NFL would allowed for larger rosters, you could rotate players more at certain positions and reduce injuries.[/quote]a larger roster wouldnt have helped us. Our first string d line couldnt get a good pash rush against the eagles 2nd string ol. I agree with you on one point, ppl are using injuries as a scapegoat here.

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[quote=Schneed10;1086676]I get it, Giants were on a short week too, but a big brawl like that takes a ton out of you. You can't condition yourself for something like that in training camp.

Besides, by all accounts Gruden had the team doing a lot of hitting so that should not have been an issue.

Ultimately we didn't execute and it was turnovers that were the problem more than anything. But you could see we didn't have the get-off at the snap on either side of the ball.[/quote]every normal play in the nfl is a brawl. For us and the giants. Ok maybe the giants had it easier than us last night, :( but not last weekend. And we were the home team. Theres hitting, and theres endurance workouts.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1086722]a larger roster wouldnt have helped us. Our first string d line couldnt get a good pash rush against the eagles 2nd string ol. I agree with you on one point, ppl are using injuries as a scapegoat here.[/quote]

I didn't say that people are using injuries as a scapegoat, but that you can't blame injuries happening solely on the team. Injuries happen for a myriad of reasons, you can't say "oh it's the team's fault" bs.

I think larger rosters help the team rotate players in the trenches. Hell, with a larger active roster, we could have Moses sub in for Polumbus, so he can get real time game experience. The Giants rotated a lot of bodies on their D-line last night, meanwhile we were stuck with the same three interior guys it seems.

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Finally some good news on the injury front:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/142274/trent-williams-knee-is-fine]Washington edskins left tackle Trent Williams' knee is fine - ESPN[/url]

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Our secondary was playing a lot of coverage with their back to the qb.

What was going to happen against a 2 time super bowl winning qb without a pass rush. Not saying more zone would have worked. It's how we are built.

With the lack of pressure from a tired (short week), thin d line and back ups playing nickle, I don't know what else to expect. Porter hasn't had reps, bree looked like a rookie.

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[quote=Schneed10;1086721]Uncle. You're right.

[B]I still believe in letting the season play out before passing any judgments[/B]. But yeah, the thing for the past few years was "Shanny didn't let Haslett run the defense his way."

Well then Haslett you better produce better results now that it's your show, or you're out. One good defensive effort against Jax isn't enough.[/quote]

Almost as disturbing as last nights outcome is the realization that I agree with S10.
But WTF you gonna do.....let it play out and take a brutal accounting of players and coaches during that time. Work to improve and develop a competitive killer...never quit mentality. Guys that fall on the good side of the line (and coaches) stay. Those that do not...start working them out.
I do not mind losing (except I hate losing) and go down competitively fighting. But we got whipped like a bunch of dogs........shameful. We got man-handled and if they have any heart at all, our guys should literally be ashamed.
Move forward and make steady progress.....just...sigh.....tired of the "Groundhog Day" team....

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What's the deal with Reed? Can this dude get through one full game w/out getting hurt? Add TE to the list next year. Can not count on him at all.

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[quote=Schneed10;1086658]The "no legs" factor is also going unnoticed. We expended so much energy in that Eagles game between the pace, the physical nature, and the big brawl. I don't think we had any legs.

But yeah, injuries are killing us and boneheaded play too. Polumbus is just physically overmatched, and the secondary looks like it's being coached poorly, especially Meriweather looks like he needs to relearn the pop warner basics.[/quote]

I would agree with this. That game was draining both physically and emotionally.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1086671]Yeah but we're a below average team with 17 players listed in the injury report. Once again, the team's sorry ass performance is inexcusable, but it is hard to ignore the injuries.[/quote]

We must be leading the body count out of all teams in the NFL right now.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1086796]We must be leading the body count out of all teams in the NFL right now.[/quote]

According to this we are tied with Miami for the most injuries with 19
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/injuries]NFL Football Injuries - CBSSports.com[/url]

We also had a total of 6 out, or get knocked out, during the game last night (which is another one of the highest figures league wide, but no one else has played this week yet) . I'd also be willing to bet that if you looked at it more thoroughly than I did, you'd find that we had more "key" players injured, but that's subjective and open to interpretation. This is definitely a factor.

That said, our O-line has stayed relatively healthy, and that is one of our weakest areas. We haven't lost either of our "starting safeties" or ILBs, and they are getting beat in the middle every freaking time the opposing team is in the Redzone. Our WR's are pretty healthy, and we have a little depth, but when the ball is thrown to the other team I guess that does little good. Our D-line + Orakpo are pretty banged up, but aren't we supposedly really deep in this area?

Injuries have been bad this year, and we were seriously flawed in some areas to begin with. Gruden has been given a really shitty hand for his first year as Head Coach. Let's see how well he can keep this shit together through a rough year, let's see if anyone makes any progress this year, and let's see if we address our glaring needs in the offseason (and no I don't mean QB, although . . .).

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[quote=skinsfan69;1086787]What's the deal with Reed? Can this dude get through one full game w/out getting hurt? Add TE to the list next year. Can not count on him at all.[/quote]

Well, he has been injured both last year and this year, but it was Niles Paul that was injured last night not Reed. He had a bad hamstring pull week 1 and hasn't played since. We should see him out there again soon. Let's see if he can make it through the rest of the season before giving up on him.

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/jay-gruden-hopes-get-jordan-reed-back-next-week]Jay Gruden hopes to get Jordan Reed back next week | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

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How is Niles Paul?

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Well, he had a concussion. It's something you recover from in the short term relatively quickly if all goes well, I think, but of course there are serious long term repercussions. I'd be willing to bet he'll play against the Seahawks, but it all depends on how quickly he progress through the required steps. Gruden said today that he is being monitored accordion to protocol. I was curious so I looked it up:

"After a player-patient has been diagnosed with a concussion, he must be monitored on a daily basis, or more frequently if clinically indicated in the opinion of the Team Physician, through the Return- to-Participation Protocol (described below). Team medical staff should consider the player-patient’s current concussive injury, including an in-depth consideration of past exposures, medical history, family history, and future risk in managing the player-patient’s care."

Steps:
1. Rest and Recovery
2. Light Aerobic Exercise
3. Cont. Aerobic Exercise and Add Strength Training
4. Football specific Activities
5. Full Football Activity / Clearance

[url]http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2014/08/21/0ap3000000381608.pdf[/url]

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[quote=WillH;1086801]According to this we are tied with Miami for the most injuries with 19
[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/injuries]NFL Football Injuries - CBSSports.com[/url]
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Pretty sure the Giants either tied or set a record last year with 40 different starters though the season .

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Players lost to injury is not a good enough excuse to explain away the outrageous size and noxious odor of the turd the Redskins laid on the Fedex turf Thursday night.

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I hate to make excuses especially when as a redskins fan things seem so constant, but I harken back to Smoot's pregame tweet about people, myself included, thinking Halls absence (especially on a short week) was going to be a plug and play scenario. Between having a rookie corner and a fairly inexperienced MLB in Robinson AND the offense giving up the ball several times inside our 40. Well that's a recipe for 45-14

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[quote=Giantone;1086813]Pretty sure the Giants either tied or set a record last year with 40 different starters though the season .[/quote]well, theres injuries and there is sucking, in the giants case. But the last superbowl run the packers made, those guys were truly decimated by injuries during the season, including during the time we played them. They overcame it. This team apparently cant.

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Not sure any team can survive through the injuries we've had. QB out, best CB out. Top two TEs currently out. Plenty of others nicked up and clearly not 100%. Depth only goes so far on any roster.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1086854] But the last superbowl run the packers made, those guys were truly decimated by injuries during the season, including during the time we played them. They overcame it. This team apparently cant.[/quote]

..... what year was that ?