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OK. The sites's back up. How many of you guys think Jason Campbell will be Ramsey's replacement? How many of you think Campbell is a better prospect than Ramsey was coming out? I don't believe Gibbs and Co.'s late visit to Auburn tuesday was a definite sign that we're are going to draft Campbell but, the 'sources' make it seem like that was the only reason we made the trip. With the ninth and twenty-fifth pick we could draft some sure fire talent. Maybe Antrel Rolle and Matt Jones, Carlos Rodgers and Erasmus James. or even Mike Williams and Adam Jones! Who knows? From Cerrato's lastest interviews it seems like we're still very much interested in trading down from number nine. Which means we could be looking forward to drafting first-round 'fallers' or solid second-round talent. I know Ramsey is heated right now and the rumor reporters are hunting Ramsey down to trrow brush onto the fire. :oink:

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I feel Ramsey is our starter and we won't draft Campbell, but I think coming out of college Campbell is the better prospect.

It just doesn't make sense. We have two needs. CB and WR (not necessarily in that order.)

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ARGH. This is why I wish we would stop talking about this. I know crazier things have happened, but come on...

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If we use ANOTHER first round pick on an unproven quarterback (when we've already got one in the stable) our front office is retarded. Replace Gibbs, Snyder, Cerrato, et al with some drunk, epileptic, crack-smoking, retarded, dying, and blind monkeys and maybe, just maybe, our team will be run a little better.

Gibbs, in all his player personnel wisdom, was loyal to Brunell for 10 weeks last year despite Brunell's god-awful play. Now this same guy is ready to warm up Patrick's replacement when Ramsey hasn't suited up for one game in 2005? WTF.

We need to give Ramsey the reigns for next season and demonstrate some confidence in his abilities. We need to use that first rounder we dumbly traded for on a cornerback, wideout, or defensive lineman. We need a new front office.

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I have spent the better part of my day going over just about every relavent piece of recent "info" from every site imagineable. Essentially no one agrees on anything the Skins are gonna do or anyone else for that matter. I have seen at least 4 mocks that are wildly different in the first 10 picks. As best I can determine it seems anything you have heard in the last week is 95% chance disinformation. So I will basically go back to what just about everyone here has said and believes...our two biggest needs are CB and WR (not necessarily in that order) and with our current two picks we'll probably go that route. Nothing else makes sense unless we swing a deal to move up in the first to 15ish by trading our 25 and Gardner and then trading the 9 and 15ish for Edwards and a second rounder. This is unlikely but the only way that it is even possible(I hope they think that way atleast).

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Rumor fellas, just a rumor... Let's move on.

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Exactly - Gibbs needs to be confident, even if he's not, feign it. Ramsey can play, but don't handcuff him to Portis. Let him throw some. I like a strong running game, don't get me wrong. Let him gun from time to time.

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.....will occur years from now.

It is pure speculation (by Lenny P at that!). Joe Gibbs would not praise a player like he did with Ramsey yesterday if his days were numbered....he wouldn't say bad things, but he would not praise him. Gibbs appears to be very big into respecting and appreciating the fans, and being as honest as he can with them (which is awesome!). After what he said about Ramsey yesterday, drafting a 1st round QB to replace him would go completely against this. I don't see it happening. What they will actually do? Who knows?!? But I don't see them taking a QB in day 1...maybe a "project" in the later rounds for down the road.

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[QUOTE=Ramseyfan]If we use ANOTHER first round pick on an unproven quarterback (when we've already got one in the stable) our front office is retarded. Replace Gibbs, Snyder, Cerrato, et al with some drunk, epileptic, crack-smoking, retarded, dying, and blind monkeys and maybe, just maybe, our team will be run a little better.

Gibbs, in all his player personnel wisdom, was loyal to Brunell for 10 weeks last year despite Brunell's god-awful play. Now this same guy is ready to warm up Patrick's replacement when Ramsey hasn't suited up for one game in 2005? WTF.

We need to give Ramsey the reigns for next season and demonstrate some confidence in his abilities. We need to use that first rounder we dumbly traded for on a cornerback, wideout, or defensive lineman. We need a new front office.[/QUOTE]
So how do you really feel? I mean the abiguity in your post is driving me crazy! ;)

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I don't think we're gonna draft Campbell.

Other teams that are interested in Campbell may now be looking to leap frog the skins' #25 pick. Maybe this is just a story to draw attention away from what they're really trying to accomplish.

I think the Skins accumulating 2 #1's shows a desire for them to package those picks (which may or may not include a disgruntled WR) and move higher up the board for someone that is going to make a difference this year, a la Edwards.

I'm thinking they're gonna make a push for the #1 or #2 selection.

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I hope not. Just as someone else said, Edwards is good, but not a special kind of player.

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I'd be happy with Jones or Rodgers at 9 and Matt Jones at 25. Anyone else? Jones really fits when you think about it. We have a core group or WRs capable of doing the job adequately(most likely) so taking a flyer on the most intriguing guy in the draft would be ok.

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I'd be OK with that. Taking a big chance, but it could pay big dividends.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Rumor fellas, just a rumor... Let's move on.[/QUOTE]
:vomit-smi

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Jones makes me nervous inside but I just know for a damn fact that if he ends up in Philly he'll end up being the next damn Jerry Freaking Rice and the Skins'll end up kick themselves for not taking him. Just based on how everything seems to go for the Skins compared to the bastard Feebles.

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It'll be like this. If we draft him he flops. If the Eagles draft him he's the next "most electrifying person" at his position. That seems to be how shit works out when its a player we lose cause of money/oversight/etc.

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I think Gibbs, for whatever reason, has no confidence in PR. I do think Campbell will be drafted. PR will be the starter this season and Campbell will watch & learn. When PR's contract expires (in a year or so) Campbell will be the starter.

Thats not the scenario I hope for but its what I think will happen.

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I feel Campbell will be suiting up in a Redskins uni this year. Here are my reasons. 1. We are very going to get Carlos Rodgers with number 9 which I like, he is a excellent corner. 2. Gibbs likes to listen to his vets and I really feel that Brunell may be saying Ramsey isn't grasping what he needs to. I don't know though just something to think about.

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I have one question. Is it even possible for us to select two first rounders and have the cap room to pay them? I think we would have to make cuts and besides Gardner who else would go? If we do not keep both first rounders what will it be traded for? A second and third rounder and a player? I think the second cenario is the most likley I just don't know who they have an eye on.

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[QUOTE=irish]I think Gibbs, for whatever reason, has no confidence in PR. I do think Campbell will be drafted. PR will be the starter this season and Campbell will watch & learn. When PR's contract expires (in a year or so) Campbell will be the starter.

Thats not the scenario I hope for but its what I think will happen.[/QUOTE]
It's not what I want either, but I could see it happening.....but if Ramsey were to turn it on and have success next year or two --ala Brees last year-- it could get very interesting. We all know that Gibbs is huge on sticking with his starting QB until he basically has no choice.
I still don't think they will draft Campbell though....

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The Skins FO better get ready for a tit-bashing. No matter what the scouting report says, I don't see Jason Campbell as being a top-tier QB.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]I have one question. Is it even possible for us to select two first rounders and have the cap room to pay them? I think we would have to make cuts and besides Gardner who else would go? If we do not keep both first rounders what will it be traded for? A second and third rounder and a player? I think the second cenario is the most likley I just don't know who they have an eye on.[/QUOTE]

EXCELLENT point. The salary cap has to come into play here. I don't think we're likely to trade up for a top 5 selection because the price tag for one of those top picks is just too hefty.

And, can we afford a CB or WR at 9 and then the QB at 25? Well, yeah we can, especially after we trade Gardner. But things fit a lot neater under the cap if we either fall back from 9 or fall back from 25.

The way the Skins are acting and the media reports surrounding them, I have NO IDEA what they're going to do. And you know what, that's probably just the way they want it. Considering the cap though, in my opinion, we can rule out a trade up into the top 5. All other options seem open at this point.

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Trading those three picks for this year's twenty fifth pick wasnn't neccesarily a bad move in my opinion. I've accepted the fact that I'm a fan of a team who hasn't been built by the draft. This is just another one of those moves that doesn't fit the norm of the NFL. The owner and head coach has other beliefs.

As far as Ramsey goes. Which of you guys was estatic when we drafted him? If I recall correctly it was a reach for us to draft him near the bottom of round one. What has to happen for the Redskins organization and the fans to say 'OK. That's enough. We've seen what you can do'. There's four types of QBs in this league; ones that win games, ones that won't lose games, and ones that lose games. Which is Ramsey? The fourth type. The inconsistent ones. This situation reminds me of the relationship I have with my girlfriend. She doesn't always do as I say, cook what I want to eat, or excite me like the hot chick across the street, but I at least I know what to expect day in and day out. Why ditch her and have to deal with the next psycho bitch? It's cheaper to keep her. :oink:

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i think that 25th pick will wind up being an early second round pick. once the draft starts and people get nervous about what they want we are gonna make some moves very interesting we gonna get a CB and the other player should be the best player available. But Jason campbell is gonna wind up being a better pro than Smith or Rodgers from Cal. I want Pac man and then the next best palyer available I dont know about them D-linemen. They look sexy but.........

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We will have plenty of cap space to sign our players. We wouldn't have gotten another 1st pick if we couldn't. I have no doubt that Snyder can get these guys signed. After June 1st cuts and Gardner being gone there will be plenty of space.

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HA!!!!!!!!!!! Dude, I hope your girlfriend doesn't real that.

Classic.

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Uhhhgg. I've said it before, I'll say it again. No Chance we draft Campbell.
1. If we really did want him, we wouldn't go leaking that to the whole world, especially with it being a potential 25th pick. Why tip our hand so badly to let anyone else who wants him leapfrog us?
2. Gibbs doesn't have time to groom Campbell into a starter.
3. Campbell wasn't even that stellar of a QB for 3 of his 4 years at Auburn. One good season does not a quarterback make.
4. Campbell has only ever really excelled in a west coast offense. That type of QB is absolutely useless to Gibbs's offense.
5. We have too many other needs, and this draft is just too deep at CB and WR (coincidentally two of our biggest needs) to make a reach for a 3rd QB.
6. Because the draft is so deep at CB and WR, the best thing the skins could do to help themselves if they plan on staying at #25 to make a pick is to convince the rest of the world that they are taking Campbell. This would potentially cool the feet of anyone behind them that is also looking for a CB or WR and is considering leapfrogging the skins to get one. If they think the skins are going with Campbell, they won't feel like they have to trade up past them to get the next best WR or CB available when #22, 23, 24 start going off the board.
7. I'm not a fan of Campbell and I've told Danny Boy and Joey G how I feel (ok, not really, but points 1-6 stand)

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I hope Gibbs called Ramsey and is like, "Dude, we're just trying to play some mind games. Don't take it personally."

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Hey PSU. I have a question on point 3. Does Tom Brady count. He only had one year at Michingan and has one 3 Super Bowls. The fact is that he has gotten better each year there.

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okay your not a fan of Campbell, cool but look at the man's resume. Look at the confernece he played in and look at his record i have watched Campbell play and I always wondered why he wasnt talked about much. but if we dont get him i care not as long as we get pac man the other pick dont matter to me. a redskins team has to ahve a shut down darell green type speed corner. return skills got me sold. not knocking ramsey but Campbell aint that bad a pick.

some info on Campbell.

Played quarterback in high school. Team won the state championship his junior year and lost in the semifinal senior year. Player of the year in Mississippi, as well as an all-state basketball player. Redshirted in 2000, started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002, 13 in 2003 with bowl game MVP honors, and started every game as a senior. In 2004 he set a record by winning 31 career games at Auburn under four different offensive coordinators in five years. The last one for his junior and senior years, Al Borges, has done a great job with Campbell. Good arm strength, accuracy has improved, can avoid the rush if needed, has a long release, and looked good at the Senior Bowl.

but like i say we got a QB but if we pick him cool. i like ramsey but its time for him to do his thing.

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I sincerely thought a QB would be the LAST thing we were discussing pre-draft.

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let me break it down real fast now

Bu ya ka sha here we go
we are not gonna get campbell at 25 now b/c of the spotlight on him.
I truelly feel he is the best QB in the draft, he did go a perfect season and he like many on Auburn played well. He WAS! the best kept secret along w/ teamate Rodgers. I know Rodgers (if he is around when we pic at 9) will also be in the draft at 16-20 so we WILL trade down even if it is only 2 spots. I mean merriman and Derrick Johnson can go in the pics right after us w/ detriot and dallas so we can possibly make a trade there so dallas can get who they want(i don't condone trading w/dallas but.....) otherwise we get a second with who ever we trade with and take their pick and get a Rodgers in the draft(by the way if all rolle rodgers and pacman are there we will get rodgers!) and w/ 25 we get miller and with our second we get jerome mathis or even possibly matt jones if he is around.

after that we have a
2 firsts ? and 25
a second at pick #?

to get a better second we trade our 7th rounder, our second and gardner to Cleveland at number 34 and possibly get matt jones also

THat gives us 3 of the top 34 and giving us RODGERS MILLER AND JONES!!!!! or MATHIS which gives us a great CB, WR, and TE!!!! that would be ideal..........for me

the media just likes to make it seem like ramsey is gone, ESPN "RAMSEY OUT?"
how can they do that?

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Here is an important thing to remember for this time of year:

Believe NOTHING that any NFL coach or GM says about the draft. And the corrollary to that is that anything you deduce they are about to do in the draft is merely a guess because they have been lying to you on purpose.

Having said that:

IF - note I said IF - the Redskins draft Campbell or any other QB at #25 (I like Charlie Frye from Akron more than Campbell that that's a detail), that will demonstrate clearly to me that Gibbs has not liked Ramsey from day one. Remember last year when he took over he said that one of the things he and his staff saw was that the "previous regime" was starting people who never should have been starting? Then his first act was to go out and sign Brunell to play QB. MAYBE Joe Gibbs has decided that Ramsey CANNOT play QB iat the NFL level for a winning team. There are lots of "pretend NFL QBs" who have careers moving around with teams aspiring to be .500. Do the names Gus Frerotte and Tony Banks and Jeff Blake ring any bells? I don't KNOW if Gibbs thinks Ramsey is a career loser, but he might...


Daseal:

Ths Skins have more than 2 needs. Yes they need a WR. I actually think they need 2 WRs but I'll back off and agree that one really good one will do. Yes, I agree they need a CB. But that's not all.

The Skins also need Cooley to upgrade his game significantly OR they need a TE.

The Skins need a player to provide depth at LB and at Safety. With Arrington gimpy, Barrow still "making great progress in his recovery" as he has for the last year and Pierce gone, there are a lot of question marks at LB.

The Skins' need depth on the OL. We saw what happened last year with one injury to Jansen.

The Skins need another DL because the assumption that the defense will be as good as last year depends on 5 defensive linemen playing as well as they did last year when all 5 played the absolute best they ever did. That's not highly likely to happen again.


Ramseyfan:

Your exchange of those disabled and afflicted mondeys for the Skins' FO personnel would be an improvement even if they don't draft another QB in the first round.


Schneed10:

The contract that would go to a pick at #25 would not be anything near what it would cost to sign a pick in the top 5. The cap room hit for a player there is not a really big deal. Now if they package those two picks with Gardner and trade up to #2 to take WHOMEVER, that will be a humongous signing bonus and fat contract for the team to swallow.


BTW, back in December we had some folks here speculating about what might happen if the Skins traded Gardner for a first round pick. Has that delusion passed yet? The Skins would probably take a low 3rd roound pick for Gardner now and give thanks to each and every football god for the good fortune if they could get it. I still think that the best they will get for him is late 4th round or he may be the "sweetener" in a deal to make a draft choice swap. Other than that, he'll be playing wide-out for this offense next September - - because as mediocre as he is, they don't have anything better...

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i like matt jones too. like i say i want pac man but carlos rodgers is cool too, we are not gonna draft campbell we have a QB. i get the brain washing. but i like our WR's that we have.

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[QUOTE=skin4Life28]Hey PSU. I have a question on point 3. Does Tom Brady count. He only had one year at Michingan and has one 3 Super Bowls. The fact is that he has gotten better each year there.[/QUOTE]

And there isn't a single GM, Coach or Owner in the NFL that won't tell you Brady was a complete fluke. Nobody expected his success. For every Tom Brady there are 100 other QBs that never even become starters in the NFL. Sorry, I still don't like those odds.

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[QUOTE=joethiesmanfan]okay your not a fan of Campbell, cool but look at the man's resume. Look at the confernece he played in and look at his record i have watched Campbell play and I always wondered why he wasnt talked about much. but if we dont get him i care not as long as we get pac man the other pick dont matter to me. a redskins team has to ahve a shut down darell green type speed corner. return skills got me sold. not knocking ramsey but Campbell aint that bad a pick.

some info on Campbell.

Played quarterback in high school. Team won the state championship his junior year and lost in the semifinal senior year. Player of the year in Mississippi, as well as an all-state basketball player. Redshirted in 2000, started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002, 13 in 2003 with bowl game MVP honors, and started every game as a senior. In 2004 he set a record by winning 31 career games at Auburn under four different offensive coordinators in five years. The last one for his junior and senior years, Al Borges, has done a great job with Campbell. Good arm strength, accuracy has improved, can avoid the rush if needed, has a long release, and looked good at the Senior Bowl.

but like i say we got a QB but if we pick him cool. i like ramsey but its time for him to do his thing.[/QUOTE]

And here is another scouting report I posted earlier. Note, this one includes the good and the bad.

[b]Overall:[/b] Campbell is a coaches son who also stared in basketball in high school. He became the first freshman to start the season opener at quarterback for Auburn since Stan White in 1990. Campbell started eight games in 2001, six games in 2002 and all 13 games in 2003. He had by far his best season as a senior in 2004 when he completed 69.6-percent of his passes for 2,700 yards and threw 19 touchdowns and just six interceptions, while leading the Tigers to a perfect 13-0 record. Campbell has always had excellent size, good athletic ability and above average arm strength, but his poor decision making skills, lack of poise in the pocket, indecisiveness and erratic arm haunted him early in his collegiate career. Throughout his first three seasons as a starter, Campbell consistently held onto the ball too long, threw too many passes up for grabs when he ran out of time, missed open receivers downfield and overthrew too many of the receivers that he did find open. However, No player improved his draft value more in 2004 than Campbell. After struggling through three extremely inconsistent and unfulfilling seasons, Campbell thrived as a senior in what was his fourth offensive scheme in four years. New offensive coordinator Al Borges found the right fit for Campbell, as his West Coast scheme simplified things and gave Campbell a lot more definitive reads to make. As his confidence improved, so too did his production. Most impressive was Campbell's improvement in regards to his decision-making skills, as he threw 13 more touchdowns (19) than interceptions (6) in 2004. Campbell has the physical tools of a first round pick but there are still questions about his downfield accuracy and ability to see the entire field. That's why we grade Campbell out as a solid second round prospect.

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alright alright no Campbell. let me shut up. But the mention of Gibbs visiting Campbell means Gibbs is still iffy on the most important posisiton we have and its his own fault with that Brunnell crap.

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SC, what does Cooley need to do to upgrade his game?

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Maybe he's just selling the act. That's all I can hope for...

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I wouldnt be suprised or upsed if we drafted a QB in the first round. We dont have backups right now (nothing against hasslebeck, but hes not a starter) and this year there will be no one really waiting in the wings to take over in case Ramsey gets hurt, or flops. I like PR, but it is possible that he isnt cut out to lead the team to the playoffs, and I am confident in the leadership of the team to deal with that accordingly if that is the case. I think that Gibbs is gonna give PR this coming season to prove himself and develop, and bring in a new candidate. They did bring in Bill Musgrave this year. He's gonna concentrate on QB development, wether it be Ramsey, or a younger guy.

I mean suppose Ramsey goes down in the 5th game, how are we gonna feel with Brunell coming into the game? Hasslebeck will be out of here either this year or next, so do we wait until the last minute to start developing a new quarterback, or do we shop among the Veteran QBs that hop from team to team hoping to re-live glory days and hit .500 for a team in transition? The Drew Brees Phillip Rivers situation is a problem most teams would love to have, and I wouldnt mind it here a bit.