The Wilson Blueprint
 

I thought that John Keim was spot on here:
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/11660/wilson-provides-blueprint-for-rg-iii]Seahawks QB Russell Wilson provides blueprint for Redskins RG III - ESPN[/url]

I believe that the team and RG3's camp have been going too far out of their way to make Griffin exclusively a pocket passer. Russell Wilson's performance last night, taking what the undisciplined edge rushers would give him on the ground, and extending passing plays with his legs, resulted in multiple chunk plays while absorbing very little contact. It was the elder Griffin that tried to convince the son that running QBs don't win in the NFL. Wilson reminded everyone that a talented running QB can be a devastating weapon, without jeopardizing his health, if he picks his spots, and slides or gets OB. I hope that Griffin, Gruden, and RG2 took notice last night.

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honestly i nthe JAX game thta seemed like what they were doing with RGIII. then he got hurt.

I believe SS was saying RGIII need a cupcake game to get back on track, I really think that was the game.

The problem is none of this means jack if you can't stay healthy and IMO that is Griffin's number one problem.

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Amazing to me that outside of Percy Harvin they got nothing at receiver or TE. Harvin is huge, but he isnt a move the chains, possession or red zone guy.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088468]Amazing to me that outside of Percy Harvin they got nothing at receiver or TE. Harvin is huge, but he isnt a move the chains, possession or red zone guy.[/quote]

It shows that the Seahawks have an offense that doesn't depend a lot on the passing game. And well that happens when you don't have to play from behind a lot. But with the Wilson's threat of the run and Lynch's ability, Wilson can capitalize on play action passes.

Just look at the Wilson's passing numbers compared to Kirk:

RW: 852 yds. 70.3% comp 8 TDs 1 INT
KC: 1217 yds 61.3% comp 8 TDs 5 INTs

Of course, Wilson does a great job at taking care of the football and his legs are a threat as well.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1088470]It shows that the Seahawks have an offense that doesn't depend a lot on the passing game. And well that happens when you don't have to play from behind a lot. But with the Wilson's threat of the run and Lynch's ability, Wilson can capitalize on play action passes.

Just look at the Wilson's passing numbers compared to Kirk:

RW: 852 yds. 70.3% comp 8 TDs 1 INT
KC: 1217 yds 61.3% comp 8 TDs 5 INTs

Of course, Wilson does a great job at taking care of the football and his legs are a threat as well.[/quote]

70.3 comp and 1 int...tells me he's decision making is probably top 3 in the league. He may not be throwing much, but when he does its he's executing at an extremely high level.

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^ I think that is a very under valued aspect of RW's game.

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Kinda tired of this whole RG3 drama. Wilson knows who he is as a QB. Most importantly he accepts who he is and doesn't try to be someone he's not. Maybe one day RG3, his dad and the Redskin coaches will realize this.

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Last night, Wilson just wore out Kerrigan and Orakpo.

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I wish we'd scrap this whole idea of trying to transform Robert and just build the system around what he does best. You can still work on his pocket game at the same time. Doesn't have to be an either/or situation.

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[quote=Mattyk;1088481]I wish we'd scrap this whole idea of trying to transform Robert and just build the system around what he does best. You can still work on his pocket game at the same time. Doesn't have to be an either/or situation.[/quote]

Winner winner chicken dinner.

Ride that horse until it breaks then figure out a new QB plan. Rather a few seasons of electrifying Griffin then several years of frustrating Griffin.

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What they didn't really mention in the Wilson Blueprint is a dominant defense that creates turnovers and a functional special teams.
I just find the whole RGIII discussion tiring, as if there's something wrong with how he plays. He has two seasons under his belt. In the first, he had a MVP caliber season. In the 2nd, he had pedestrian stats, forgivable since he had a knee he shouldn't have been playing on and one of the worst defenses in the history of the organization. My point is, had the Seahawks drafted Griffin and the Skins drafter Wilson, right now we'd be talking about the Griffin Blueprint and how Wilson should be more like that.

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Robert isn't durable enough to have him run, and his decision making when he does has been sketchy at best. Wilson has been fortunate, but it's only a matter of time before he gets hurts as well. The QB I think Wilson most resembles is McNabb. Great at keeping the play alive with his legs, but out of the league at 33 years old.

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Funny before the knee injury it was the RG3 blueprint.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1088487]Robert isn't durable enough to have him run, and his decision making when he does has been sketchy at best. Wilson has been fortunate, but it's only a matter of time before he gets hurts as well. The QB I think Wilson most resembles is McNabb. Great at keeping the play alive with his legs, but out of the league at 33 years old.[/quote]

I think decision making, clutch and good teamate already has Wilson pass McNabb. Wilson should become a better passer.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088489]I think decision making, clutch and good teamate already has Wilson pass McNabb. Wilson should become a better passer.[/quote]

No offense, but McNabb has never had the type of defense that Seattle is sporting. That accounts for a LOT. It's huge advantage. Wilson didn't need to take 1 snap in order to win the Super Bowl. Think about that. Didn't even need one offensive snap to win that game. Wilson is going to be good until the legs begin to go. (via age or injuries)



[quote=Mattyk;1088488]Funny before the knee injury it was the RG3 blueprint.[/quote]

This. In fact, Seattle took a bunch of stuff from the Redskins that they use with Wilson. It's still not going to be a good long term plan.

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Problem is Griffin is a pretty careless guy when he gets near contact. Some call it fearless, I call it careless. Wilson understands where the defense is at all times and slides at the end of all of his runs. Rarely takes a big shot. RG3 just doesn't.

So he either needs to learn that knack, or he needs to stay in the pocket. I'd prefer he learned the knack.

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[quote=Chico23231;1088473]70.3 comp and 1 int...tells me he's decision making is probably top 3 in the league. He may not be throwing much, but when he does its he's executing at an extremely high level.[/quote]

I agree that Wilson makes good decision, but is it fair to compare him with QBs like Luck, Rodgers, etc., etc. whose teams depend a lot on the passing game?

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[quote=Ruhskins;1088497]I agree that Wilson makes good decision, but is it fair to compare him with QBs like Luck, Rodgers, etc., etc. whose teams depend a lot on the passing game?[/quote]

RW is in the MVP conversation. I dont think you handicap him for executing and winning. Sh*t, ask Peyton Manning what he thinks of RW.

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/10/07/ryan-clark-we-got-beat-by-the-best-player-in-the-nfl-russell-wilson/]Ryan Clark: We got beat by the best player in the NFL, Russell Wilson | ProFootballTalk[/url]

Well...

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[quote=Schneed10;1088496]Problem is Griffin is a pretty careless guy when he gets near contact. Some call it fearless, I call it careless. Wilson understands where the defense is at all times and slides at the end of all of his runs. Rarely takes a big shot. RG3 just doesn't.

So he either needs to learn that knack, or he needs to stay in the pocket. I'd prefer he learned the knack.[/quote]

Wilson took a couple of shots last night, but you're right. Wilson does a much better job at taking care of himself.

I'm just wondering if this has a lot to do with the expectation of each QB. The Seahawks didn't pick up Wilson to be the franchise QB, he just fell into the job. Everyone knows that for the most part, Seattle's strength lies on their defense and running game. Whereas RG3 is expected to be the franchise QB and in 2012 he was THE playmaker on the team (with Morris' help).

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[quote=Chico23231;1088499]RW is in the MVP conversation. I dont think you handicap him for executing and winning. Sh*t, ask Peyton Manning what he thinks of RW.[/quote]

Peyton is probably more concerned with Seattle's defense than Russell Wilson.

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I saw Wilson take several big shots last night - but nobody really notices that when the Seahawks are winning. Just like when the 'skins were winning - we didn't care if RGIII took the big hit...as long as he got up and the 'skins kept winning.

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I'm sick of people bringing up seattle's defense when it comes to Wilson.He was just slightly behind RG3 as a rookie and now he's surpassed him by so far its not funny.
Seattles defense had nothing to do with Wilsons 122 yards rushing,and that last drive where we had Wilson dead to right and he just put the knife in our back,what does Seattle's defense have to do with that? Wilson is a stud,period.
If you want to bring up wins then yes Seattle wins more because of their defense,but that has nothing to do with how good Wilson is.

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There is a reason why when people talk about Elite QBs they talk about a handful of guys. You either have IT or you don't. If RG3 hasn't figured it out by now that mofo isn't going to now.

Both Wilson and Luck are entering that handful count and I am afraid the boat has sailed on RG3.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1088508]I'm sick of people bringing up seattle's defense when it comes to Wilson.He was just slightly behind RG3 as a rookie and now he's surpassed him by so far its not funny.
Seattles defense had nothing to do with Wilsons 122 yards rushing,and that last drive where we had Wilson dead to right and he just put the knife in our back,what does Seattle's defense have to do with that? [B]Wilson is a stud,period[/B].
If you want to bring up wins then yes Seattle wins more because of their defense,but that has nothing to do with how good Wilson is.[/quote]

No one is saying that Wilson isn't good, or even that he hasn't progressed more than RGIII. The problem is that a) people hold RGIII responsible for that, and b) don't believe that he has the potential to become a star (again). Wilson has enjoyed ideal development conditions, while Griffin has faced anything but: a torn knee, a head coaching fiasco, a team that is always playing from behind, etc.

Would any reasonable person not expect Wilson's development to outpace RGIII's at this point, considering all of the external factors? No, of course not. So there are two ways we can look at Griffin: a guy who has the potential to be a franchise QB, or we can just assume that he won't be and in his place insert whomever is roaming the sidelines as the back-up, with the reasonable expectation that that person will be the next Peyton Manning (because that plan has worked so well for the past two decades).

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[quote=saden1;1088516]There is a reason why when people talk about Elite QBs they talk about a handful of guys. You either have IT or you don't. If RG3 hasn't figured it out by now that mofo isn't going to now.

Both Wilson and Luck are entering that handful count and I am afraid the boat has sailed on RG3.[/quote]

There are plenty of elite QBs who didn't look elite after their first two years. Brees and Rogers come to mind, both of whom have won a Super Bowl in the past five years.

That being said, not being an "elite" QB is no reason to get rid of a guy. Stability and consistency are equally important. Eli Manning and Joe Flacco are not elite QBs by any means, yet they have won three of the past seven Super Bowls.

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[quote=saden1;1088516]There is a reason why when people talk about Elite QBs they talk about a handful of guys. You either have IT or you don't. [B]If RG3 hasn't figured it out by now that mofo isn't going to now. [/B]
[B]Both Wilson and Luck are entering that handful count and I am afraid the boat has sailed on RG3[/B].[/quote]

not burning Rg3 today?

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[quote=htownskinfan;1088508]I'm sick of people bringing up seattle's defense when it comes to Wilson.He was just slightly behind RG3 as a rookie and now he's surpassed him by so far its not funny.
Seattles defense had nothing to do with Wilsons 122 yards rushing,and that last drive where we had Wilson dead to right and he just put the knife in our back,what does Seattle's defense have to do with that? Wilson is a stud,period.
[B]If you want to bring up wins then yes Seattle wins more because of their defense,but that has nothing to do with how good Wilson is.[/B][/quote]

A lot of people, including those in the media, talk like Seattle wins just because of Wilson.

You put Wilson here in Washington, he probably has the same challenges and doesn't develop as well as he has in Seattle. You put RG3 in Seattle, he probably has more success than he's had here in Washington (though I'm not quite sure he'd win a SB).

Wilson is a very good QB, but I'm not quite ready to anoint him as the next Manning, Brady, Brees type of guy.

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Seattle wins because they are a very good all around team in all phases. They may have the best special teams coverage units in the league - I couldn't be more impressed with their punt team gunner. And on kickoffs, Haushka consistently banged the ball through the end zone - we need a guy who can do that. The Redskins average starting field position was the 15 yard line. I would guess Seattle's was close to the 40. Wilson played a tremendous game, but between stellar special teams and defense, he has a huge advantage that Cousins and RG3 have never enjoyed.

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Seattle has the best roster in the NFL period, they are well coached also. Wilson is a great player, but that team dynamic is way different. He plays with less pressure then a lot of QBs that know they have to run the whole engine.

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[quote=Coff;1088520]There are plenty of elite QBs who didn't look elite after their first two years. Brees and Rogers come to mind, both of whom have won a Super Bowl in the past five years.

That being said, not being an "elite" QB is no reason to get rid of a guy. Stability and consistency are equally important. Eli Manning and Joe Flacco are not elite QBs by any means, yet they have won three of the past seven Super Bowls.[/quote]

Steve Young.

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[quote=mredskins;1088466]honestly i nthe JAX game thta seemed like what they were doing with RGIII. then he got hurt.

I believe SS was saying RGIII need a cupcake game to get back on track, I really think that was the game.

The problem is none of this means jack if you can't stay healthy and IMO that is Griffin's number one problem.[/quote]

Bingo, and the funny thing is that Griffin was doing that in his rookie season. Do I think that Griffin can be for Washington what Wilson is for Luck? Yes, do I think he will be? I am not so sure anymore.

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"Show me a running QB, and I'll show you a loser." - RG2 and RG3.

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RG3 was able to elevate this team his rookie year. Optimism was in the air. Hr risked his body changing the momentum and inspiring his teammates. A lot of the big hits he took his rookie year came at times when the team needed inspiration. That's how I interpret his running. He always runs when the team stalls and are not able to do anything or seem to be in a funk.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1088491]No offense, but McNabb has never had the type of defense that Seattle is sporting. That accounts for a LOT. It's huge advantage. Wilson didn't need to take 1 snap in order to win the Super Bowl. Think about that. Didn't even need one offensive snap to win that game. Wilson is going to be good until the legs begin to go. (via age or injuries)





This. In fact, Seattle took a bunch of stuff from the Redskins that they use with Wilson. It's still not going to be a good long term plan.[/quote]

They already got one ring, and are clearly a dominant team.

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The blueprint is to protect your QB regardless if it's RG3 or Kirk neither can excel with the trenches the way they are. The skills players are there we have one of the best talented offenses with the worst o-line in the league period. J.Gruden and BA have to fix that ASAP.

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[quote=Gary84Clark;1088555]They already got one ring, and are clearly a dominant team.[/quote]

Not sure anybody is arguing against that. There biggest issues they face are with the salary cap in the next couple of years. They have to pay Russell and Okung big time money so it'll be interesting to see. If they draft well, they'll continue the dominance, if not, they'll taper off.

[url=http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/yearly/]Seattle Seahawks Salary Caps by Year[/url]

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So my take on all this is, yeah RG3 "could" do what he does best, use his legs, etc. except for the fact that he has no clue how to do it without putting himself at risk. I don't care what some people say, he injured himself on an awesome athletic play in which he used awkward body mechanics that combined with shit luck, ended in him landing wrong. There are so many plays where he sacrifices his body to try to make a big play, not just by taking unnecessary hits but also by diving/falling/running/throwing in awkward ways. These plays are often fun to watch because it's absolutely brilliant athleticism, but they put him at risk.

Watching Wilson, he uses his athleticism, but not to the point where he sacrifices his body or put himself at risk for injury. So, can Robert learn to do the same? That's the real question. I worry that he gets so caught up in his game that he forgets about protecting himself, and that may be part of what makes him electrifying ~ when he looses himself in the game.

Ultimately, I'm still in the camp of [I]being a pocket passer is a necessary skill in this league for a QB to have lasting success[/I]. He needs a line, though. This team really needed a line before selling the farm for our Franchise QB IMO, it may be too late, but I hope RG3 comes back and makes me look like a chump for doubting him.

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[quote=WillH;1088561]So my take on all this is, yeah RG3 "could" do what he does best, use his legs, etc. except for the fact that he has no clue how to do it without putting himself at risk. I don't care what some people say, he injured himself on an awesome athletic play in which he used awkward body mechanics that combined with shit luck, ended in him landing wrong. There are so many plays where he sacrifices his body to try to make a big play, not just by taking unnecessary hits but also by diving/falling/running/throwing in awkward ways. These plays are often fun to watch because it's absolutely brilliant athleticism, but they put him at risk.

Watching Wilson, he uses his athleticism, but not to the point where he sacrifices his body or put himself at risk for injury. So, can Robert learn to do the same? That's the real question. I worry that he gets so caught up in his game that he forgets about protecting himself, and that may be part of what makes him electrifying ~ when he looses himself in the game.

Ultimately, I'm still in the camp of [I]being a pocket passer is a necessary skill in this league for a QB to have lasting success[/I]. He needs a line, though. This team really needed a line before selling the farm for our Franchise QB IMO, it may be too late, but I hope RG3 comes back and makes me look like a chump for doubting him.[/quote]


When the team plays better RG3 wont have to sacrifice his body. The Redskins always start off dead until RG3 starts his athleticism.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1088547]"Show me a running QB, and I'll show you a loser." - RG2 and RG3.[/quote]

Well I guess Wilson is a loser then.. :yeahright: