Any news on Gardner?
 

Has anyone heard anything? I can't believe that we are going to get through the draft and still have Garnder on our roster. Cutting him later for nothing in return would be flat out stupid.

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I haven't heard anything definitive, but I'm almost positive they'll end up trading him on draft day. They'll settle for a 4th or 5th rounder if they have to.

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yeahy they'll take almost nothing rather than nothing.

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I could see Gardner to Miami for our 9th and 25th in exchange for Jason Taylor and their 2nd. But maybe that is just wishful thinking.

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[QUOTE=jbcjr14]I could see Gardner to Miami for our 9th and 25th in exchange for Jason Taylor and their 2nd. But maybe that is just wishful thinking.[/QUOTE]

Thats wishful alright.

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[QUOTE=jbcjr14]I could see Gardner to Miami for our 9th and 25th in exchange for Jason Taylor and their 2nd. But maybe that is just wishful thinking.[/QUOTE]

Definitely wishful thinking. Why would Saban give up a proven stud pass rusher? The draft is about trying to find good players, but you never know if your picks will pan out. Doesn't make sense to give up proven guys like that. Trading Taylor wouldn't make sense for the Dolphins' salary cap either. This one is just a crazy rumor.

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No.

I've only heard draft day trade! Gardner's contract demands are holding it up. The FO will try to obtain the best value.

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why trade him at all? he's been fairly productive for a #2 receiver, and could definitely contribute this season. if we can't get what we think he's worth, then keep him and play him. he's in a contract year, and if he leaves next offseason, but does well this year, then it won't be a total waste.

i have a feeling he'll be part of a package to move up if we do...

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I wouldn't go so far as to say fairly productive. Maybe productive half the time and terrible the other half.

Someone should come up with a nickname about those stats. :)

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I'm sure he'll get dealt tomorrow. Hopefully we can pick up a 3rd rounder for him.......hell I'd even take a 4th rounder now since all we do now is give our picks away to Denver.

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Amen to that. Getting a third rounder would mean we bamboozled somebody.

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If it came down to it, I would trade Gardiner for a 7th round pick, and if we can't even get that, then I would just cut him after the June cuts.

That is how little I think of 50/50.

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Like I said long ago... a 7th and a six pack. Or just 3 6-packs.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Like I said long ago... a 7th and a six pack. Or just 3 6-packs.[/QUOTE]

Would that be Red, White, and Blue beer or USA (U Save Alot) beer brand?:laughing2

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Hahahaha... maybe some Country Club, King Cobra or PBR?

Dude, I'm NOT talking about the expensive stuff. You think we could get some Guiness or Labatt for Gardner? Come on, we have to be real here. ;) LOL

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C'mon guys, give Rod a little credit...he's more like 60/40. lol Atleast he was a big enough target that even Brunell could find him in the endzone.

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Portis stated that Moss will be a no show if does not receive a long term contract. From his stats I don't think he is much of an upgrade from gardner. Can we trade Moss and gardner together and pick a WR in the first round or for WR from another team. I don't like Mosses attitude for a marginal WR. Just a thought.

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We Redskin fans tend to have a negative view towards Gardner, but actually he is a decent, but average NFL WR. Yes his drops have been frustrating as hell, but his stats are really no worse than the majority of #2 receivers in the league. That is why he has trade value, and why it is mid-round value, not top, and not bottom....i.e. average.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]Portis stated that Moss will be a no show if does not receive a long term contract. From his stats I don't think he is much of an upgrade from gardner. Can we trade Moss and gardner together and pick a WR in the first round or for WR from another team. I don't like Mosses attitude for a marginal WR. Just a thought.[/QUOTE]

That is an excellent thought. Do we have any salary cap obligation to Moss?

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Nope, not yet....but what team would want not one, but two new WR's that haven't reached their potential, but want new contracts that will pay them as if they have? That's the problem with that scenario...

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[QUOTE=SkinsRock]We Redskin fans tend to have a negative view towards Gardner, but actually he is a decent, but average NFL WR. Yes his drops have been frustrating as hell, but his stats are really no worse than the majority of #2 receivers in the league. That is why he has trade value, and why it is mid-round value, not top, and not bottom....i.e. average.[/QUOTE]

I agree with your evaluation SkinsRock, but as I recall, he wasn't drafted to be a #2 receiver, or at least not as I understood it. All the hoopla surrounding his selection on draft day, I thought he was going to be the second coming of Art Monk (who should be a HOFer) and he's panned out to be more like a second coming of Ricky Sanders

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I still think that Gardner has the ability to be a #1 WR or atleast a good #2. I feel he needs a good WR coach to work on his focus and rout running. I have seen him make some impossible grabs then turn around and drop three easy catches. It's all in his focus and if a coach could get him to rededicate himself he could be that receiver we all hoped he would be. I like Gardner as a team player its just a shame he did not give us what we expected. I think we will find out this year if a fresh start with a new team is what he need to emerge as that player.

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[QUOTE=LongTimeSkinsFan]I agree with your evaluation SkinsRock, but as I recall, he wasn't drafted to be a #2 receiver, or at least not as I understood it. All the hoopla surrounding his selection on draft day, I thought he was going to be the second coming of Art Monk (who should be a HOFer) and he's panned out to be more like a second coming of Ricky Sanders[/QUOTE]
Both Albert Connell and Michael Westbrook were also tabbed as the second coming of Art Monk...and look where they are now? Gardner has shown he can compete in this league, and trading him for something less than what the Redskins are looking for would be a huge loss.

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I think I read somewhere we could trade him to seattle for Koren Robinson. But don't quote me

As for his ability, Gardner is very good but like Ramsey has loss confidence because of being bumped down in the depth chart

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I know I post this website a lot, but the new blog has a good opinion of the whole draft thing.

[url]http://redskinsblog.blogspot.com/[/url]

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[QUOTE=diehardskin2982]I think I read somewhere we could trade him to seattle for Koren Robinson. But don't quote me

As for his ability, Gardner is very good but like Ramsey has loss confidence because of being bumped down in the depth chart[/QUOTE]That wasn't his problem last year. He just ran routs of 15 and 20 yards and Burnell couldn't throw it that far.

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[QUOTE=firstdown]That wasn't his problem last year. He just ran routs of 15 and 20 yards and Burnell couldn't throw it that far.[/QUOTE]

I'm was thinking in context to his overall performance since Coles joined the team
He did do well in the Cowboy game, when they went long, so u may be right

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Gardner say's he wants out and then holds up the trades with contract demands, I would just sit him on the bench for the year and let him think about his value after he misses the entire year sitting instead of playing, that should motivate him.

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no good to the skins being spitefull, it will all work out

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I actually heard rumors of J.Taylor as part of the trade for our 9th, 25th, & Gardner. We would get the 2nd pick & Taylor. The reason for this is the belief that Taylor will not fit the 3-4 Defensive system that Saban wants to run. Also dumping the salary helps to sign multiple draft picks. With that said it could still be a far fetched rumor with no basis in fact. Would be nice though.

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[QUOTE=Skinsfanatic]Has anyone heard anything? I can't believe that we are going to get through the draft and still have Garnder on our roster. Cutting him later for nothing in return would be flat out stupid.[/QUOTE]

There's plenty of stupid to go around over at Redskins Park these days. The Denver swap was foolish -- 9 and 25 doesn't get you two impact players in this draft, and you likely lose an impact player in next year's draft (a deeper draft in all likelihood) as a result. More to the point, if they shed both of those picks (and God knows what else) to move up, they'll pick a WR that won't likely be as good as Coles had they figured out a way to keep the guy happy. (I maintain that any guy who snaps his finger back in place and continues to play is a guy I want on my team.) And the Campbell rumors (if there's nothing to them, which I suspect is the case) aren't likely to help Ramsey's psyche. Moreover, how much was Campbell tested given the strength of his backfield? Good mechanics and a nice kid isn't enough. I fear we're about to make some very poor decisions. Is it my imagination or os Cerrato dumber than dirt?

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Say it WERE to happen, what you guys think of that?

Personally, I would like to have Taylor but that would be a HELL of a price considering it wasn't our defense that was close to the last of the league.

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[QUOTE=calia]There's plenty of stupid to go around over at Redskins Park these days. The Denver swap was foolish -- 9 and 25 doesn't get you two impact players in this draft, and you likely lose an impact player in next year's draft (a deeper draft in all likelihood) as a result. More to the point, if they shed both of those picks (and God knows what else) to move up, they'll pick a WR that won't likely be as good as Coles had they figured out a way to keep the guy happy. (I maintain that any guy who snaps his finger back in place and continues to play is a guy I want on my team.) And the Campbell rumors (if there's nothing to them, which I suspect is the case) aren't likely to help Ramsey's psyche. Moreover, how much was Campbell tested given the strength of his backfield? Good mechanics and a nice kid isn't enough. I fear we're about to make some very poor decisions. Is it my imagination or os Cerrato dumber than dirt?[/QUOTE]

I have been reading on all of this recently and it has been a much debated topic here on who "wears the pants" in the respective relationships in the Redskins organization. I've come to the conclusion that Gibbs has been the one who makes the final say in any transaction. Snyder and Cerrato give their opinion and it's Gibbs who gives the thumbs up or down. Before you put undue blame on people, just understand that Gibbs is the one who is figuratively signing on the dotted line.

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hmm getting taylor and the number 2 pick for gardner and the 9th pick and the 25th pick then trading down from #2 to get a first and a second sounds real nice equals taylor a 1st and a second for gardner the 9th and the 25th pick sounds pretty darn good to me. sounds like miami would like those two picks they could get what they want for those picks. but as far as giving up next years first round pick we not gonna be that bad this year that pick will not be an impact player who knows what we would get next year we need improvement now then worry about next year next year. if we hadve stayed like we were and lets say ramsey dont have good receivers and dont produce then we would need that first round pick next year for a QB anyway.

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[QUOTE=TheMalcolmConnection]Say it WERE to happen, what you guys think of that?

Personally, I would like to have Taylor but that would be a HELL of a price considering it wasn't our defense that was close to the last of the league.[/QUOTE]I agree!After a corner all our funds need to go to offense they Sucked last year with a capital S.

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Let me offer some assistance here if I may:

Any news on Gardner?

Yes there is. No other team in the NFL wants him bad enough to offer the Skins a 3rd round pick for him. In fact, I'd be surpriseed to learn that they had a concrete offer of a 4th rounder for Gardner.

Any news on Gardner?

Yes there is: Gardner has a contract that is not a cap-buster next year but this is the last year of his deal. So to trade him, the Skins need to find a team willing to give them something (a draft pick) in exchange for a WR who will be a free agent at the end of next year. That other team has to think that Gardner will have a really big year for them and that really big year will put the new team over the top. What evidence is there that Gardner will EVER have a big year?

Any news on Gardner?

Yes there is: The Redskins FO overplayed their hand once again in this little opera. Instead of giving Gardner's agent the hammer in trying to arrange a trade, the Skins should have tried to swing a deal for Gardner themselves - taking less a for him because of the uncertainty of his contract status or willingness to do an extension this year - and moved on. Problem now is that everyone in the league knows that the Skins really don't want Gardner in the same zip code with the rest of the team and so they aren't lining up to make a splashy offer to get him to another city.



BTW, someone suggested trading Moss. Let me tell you why that isn't going to happen unless Moss is caught molesting one of Joe Gibbs' household pets. Santana Moss is what the Redskins FO managed to get for the less than effective way they handled the LC fiasco. If they give him away too, then they have nothing to show for that brilliant piece of personnel strategy - - except of course for the $8M cap hit in terms of dead money this year.

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all ye of little faith i liked it better when i was younger and didnt know anything until preseason and was like who is that QB when one of are starters got hurt and watched that QB win games. I am rooting for the skins. who should we pick with our picks everyone knows we gonna get a corner. i am not sold on braylon edwards seems like westbrook to me. the LC deal he was a spurrier guy so is gardner is a shotty guy and Ramsey another spurrier guy. every coach gotta get their guys in...give coach come time Gardner didnt turned out we may get something for him then again we not...?

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I wouldn't do the taylor trade, if DE is the direction we are going I would stay pat at and take Merriman, he's a stronger younger version of Taylor and a better all around football player, Taylor may rush the passer better than Merriman but Merriman will be no slouch pressuring the QB and he's 9 years younger to boot and hit's much harder than Taylor.

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A few thoughts…

1. I don’t want Jason Taylor. Sooner or later he’s going to run out of gas just like Warren Sapp did. Besides, getting Taylor only gives the front office another one of their yearly excuses not to use a high draft pick on a defensive linemen.

2. We’ve heard it here a thousand times. Teams throughout the league already see Rod Gardner like a broken refrigerator sitting outside somebody’s house ready to be picked up by the Salvation Army. And if we’ve thought of it here at the Warpath, you’ve got to believe that other NFL general managers know this and aren’t going to fall for it -- unless of course, the shoe is on the other foot, and it’s Washington’s front office considering such a move.

3. I keep reading how everything Jason Campbell did at Auburn means nothing because he had two good running backs behind him. If that’s the case, what could we expect out of Campbell if Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts are his running backs here?

4. Regarding thought #3: Don’t get me wrong. It would be ridiculous to select Campbell with three quarterbacks already on the roster. The only way it would make any sense is if there’s a way to get rid of that waste of space Mark Brunell. And according to cap figures I’ve heard, it ain’t happening. Not only that, Gibbs doesn’t have time for a project at QB right now.

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[QUOTE=Beemnseven]A few thoughts…

1. I don’t want Jason Taylor. Sooner or later he’s going to run out of gas just like Warren Sapp did. Besides, getting Taylor only gives the front office another one of their yearly excuses not to use a high draft pick on a defensive linemen.

2. We’ve heard it here a thousand times. Teams throughout the league already see Rod Gardner like a broken refrigerator sitting outside somebody’s house ready to be picked up by the Salvation Army. And if we’ve thought of it here at the Warpath, you’ve got to believe that other NFL general managers know this and aren’t going to fall for it -- unless of course, the shoe is on the other foot, and it’s Washington’s front office considering such a move.

3. I keep reading how everything Jason Campbell did at Auburn means nothing because he had two good running backs behind him. If that’s the case, what could we expect out of Campbell if Clinton Portis and Ladell Betts are his running backs here?

4. Regarding thought #3: Don’t get me wrong. It would be ridiculous to select Campbell with three quarterbacks already on the roster. The only way it would make any sense is if there’s a way to get rid of that waste of space Mark Brunell. And according to cap figures I’ve heard, it ain’t happening. Not only that, Gibbs doesn’t have time for a project at QB right now.[/QUOTE]


picking campbell would be great move bc now ramsey has to perform. and campbell has mroe legs, bigger college, more finesse on the deep ball, and over 60% CP career (while throwing all those deep balls) and last...looks to be a QUIET GET THE JOB DONE GUY...now tell me why that would be a bad pick...dump hasslebeck...move brunell to third string and dump after june 1 in 06.. and last, who cares about gibbs having to breed a qb...the redskins still have a future no matter what happens...why couldnt coach williams take over after gibbs and hire a good OC?? campbell would be a good pick IMO