Blown Coverages - Who do we blame?!
 

I know we have some folks on this board that go through the film and watch what our team does. Every week we have at least one play where the other team hits a wide open WR for a big play. We're not talking open by NFL standards. We're talking wide open by pee wee football standards.

My question for those of you who understand the X's and O's better than I (so... everyone?) is who should I be angry at? The first few times I was angry at the DBs (normally Ryan Clark). As it happens more and more I feel like it's a coaching issue. If you call a play and your players don't execute, that's on them. If you keep calling the play and learn they can't execute... eventually, that falls on you. I don't see other teams have the consistent break downs in the secondary the skins seem to have regularly.

If anyone could do a break down to enlighten me, and other warpathers, it would be appreciated!

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Blame haslet, we allowed 13.37 yards per attempt. That is garbage. We don't have any talent at safety

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If somehow that Vic dude who coaches the sanfrancisco defense leaves, back up the truck for that guy

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[SIZE="5"]RAHEEM MORRIS![/SIZE]

It's one thing for a player to get beat but it is quite another when players don't even seem to know what to do. Either the players are incapable of learning or the coach has failed to teach them. It seems that a lot of secondary players screw up and they can't all be stupid, so [B]RAHEEM[/B] gets the blame, as far as I'm concerned.

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The secondary was thin as can be coming into today, going up against the #1 passing team in the league. What happened wasn't the least bit surprising.

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[quote=Mattyk;1097041]The secondary was thin as can be coming into today, going up against the #1 passing team in the league. What happened wasn't the least bit surprising.[/quote]

As I said above, there is a big difference between getting beat and [U]not knowing what to do[/U]. Raheem Morris has been flying under the "who is responsible for our horrible secondary" radar long enough.

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[quote=Mattyk;1097041]The secondary was thin as can be coming into today, going up against the #1 passing team in the league. What happened wasn't the least bit surprising.[/quote]

I wish I just saw an effort. Amerson didn't even show up and Minnifield did nothing but show that he every bit deserves to never be moved up further than the PS.

I could understand if dudes were getting beat off the ball, or if the WRs were making amazing grabs and running crisp routes... But there were at least 3x plays where Fleener and Monclief were running free and clear, like not even a dude in the vicinity.

I feel part of it is the defensive schemes, but another part of it is just having stupid ass players who don't know who they're supposed to be covering/lack of communication about plays (If the WR is going to cut in, the S knowing that the CB is going to drop off into zone or what have you and he is now responsible for covering the WR)

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I know everyone wants someone to single out and blame, but sometimes you're just not good enough across the board, top to bottom. We just suck. F this team.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1097043]I wish I just saw an effort. Amerson didn't even show up and [B]Minnifield did nothing but show that he every bit deserves to never be moved up further than the PS[/B].

I could understand if dudes were getting beat off the ball, or if the WRs were making amazing grabs and running crisp routes... But there were at least 3x plays where Fleener and Monclief were running free and clear, like not even a dude in the vicinity.

I feel part of it is the defensive schemes, but another [B]part of it is just having stupid ass players[/B] who don't know who they're supposed to be covering/lack of communication about plays (If the WR is going to cut in, the S knowing that the CB is going to drop off into zone or what have you and he is now responsible for covering the WR)[/quote]

If Minnifield should never be moved up from the PS, then he shouldn't be on the PS.

Or, we could have a stupid ass secondary coach. I am officially adding Raheem Morris to my shit list. He should be G-O-N-E next season.

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I really can't grip the fact that every other game our Defense looks like the Steel Curtain but our offense is hapless --- and the other games our Offense puts up some points and scores 27 and 390 yards without turnovers and our Defense craps out 49 points.. Sad to watch.

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Everytime the game starts and the guys line up for kickoff, this little voice in the back of my head says "we'll be prepared to be kicked square in the nuts for the next 3 hours"

I'm getting tired of this

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I blame the players. They obviously can't get what the coaches are teaching. If you get beat fine, that's physical. But to have mental breakdowns like that is just inexcusable at the NFL level. Amerson should be benched. He was clearly not ready to play today. And we all saw that Thomas isn't ready either. Do these guys study and watch film at all?

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Haslett

He blows monkey ass...he needs to go away.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097054]I blame the players. They obviously can't get what the coaches are teaching. If you get beat fine, that's physical. But to have mental breakdowns like that is just inexcusable at the NFL level. Amerson should be benched. He was clearly not ready to play today. And we all saw that Thomas isn't ready either. Do these guys study and watch film at all?[/quote]

Amerson showed up late to team meeting, so probably not.

At this point, I don't even think benching proves a point. I bet these dudes are like, "Yeah, right. Bench me and then what? We just lose worse." I wouldn't even be worried about job security if I played for the Redskins because no matter what, whoever is behind me on the depth chart is probably worlds worse than I am.

It's kinda like when D. Hall got injured and the secondary began collapsing. D. Hall is good... Above average, I'd say... But nowhere near elite, but because everyone else on the secondary absolutely blows, it makes losing him look like we lost Richard Sherman or Revis back there.

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According to Allen the Redskins have "no gaping holes." I wonder who he would blame.

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On defense of Minnifield, this was his first pro game where saw lots of action, he can at least tackle. How did Breeland do on his first couple of games? A lot of what you saw today was due to Andrew Luck being the next great QB and Amerson had a worst game than Minnifield.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1097054]I blame the players. They obviously can't get what the coaches are teaching. If you get beat fine, that's physical. But to have mental breakdowns like that is just inexcusable at the NFL level. Amerson should be benched. He was clearly not ready to play today. And we all saw that Thomas isn't ready either. Do these guys study and watch film at all?[/quote]

What about the people who acquired players who won't study or can't learn? Should we just continue with them? I wouldn't send anyone from our front office to the grocery store - he might come back with spoiled meat.

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Raheem Morris works with the secondary every day, so I would start with him.

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[quote=Mattyk;1097041]The secondary was thin as can be coming into today, going up against the #1 passing team in the league. What happened wasn't the least bit surprising.[/quote]

This thread isn't based on observations from just today's games. I've seen blown coverages all year long. Even when we were healthy in the secondary. I get the Colts are the #1 passing team in the league, and I'm not complaining about slight separation... every ball I expect the replay to show the skins player slipping and falling... but it doesn't.

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[quote=Daseal;1097104]This thread isn't based on observations from just today's games. I've seen blown coverages all year long. Even when we were healthy in the secondary. I get the Colts are the #1 passing team in the league, and I'm not complaining about slight separation... every ball I expect the replay to show the skins player slipping and falling... but it doesn't.[/quote]

Haslett
Haslett
Haslett

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Get rid of Haslet and Raheem, along with everyone other coach on defense and hire Rex Ryan to fix this mess. Honestly, if Harbaugh is available hire him and let him run the team the way he wants to. I hate everyone they hire. It is all about guys that fit Snyder's stupid personality, instead of the best football mind available. We have the entire crew from some stupid ass arena football team coaching crappy players, picked using a dart board.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;1097108]Get rid of Haslet and Raheem, along with everyone other coach on defense and hire Rex Ryan to fix this mess. Honestly, if Harbaugh is available hire him and let him run the team the way he wants to. I hate everyone they hire. It is all about guys that fit Snyder's stupid personality, instead of the best football mind available. We have the entire crew from some stupid ass arena football team coaching crappy players, picked using a dart board.[/quote]

Rex Ryan, 2015

Top 10 D.

You heard it here first.

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Besides Jarvis Jenkins, when is the last hand in the dirt down defensive lineman we have drafted higher than the 5th round? Rounds 1 through 4?

Does anyone know?

Not anybody on our current roster.

How far back do you have to go for our last high round defensive lineman?

Hatcher and Cofield are on the wrong side of 30.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1097118]Besides Jarvis Jenkins, when is the last hand in the dirt down defensive lineman we have drafted higher than the 5th round? Rounds 1 through 4?

Does anyone know?

Not anybody on our current roster.

How far back do you have to go for our last high round defensive lineman?

Hatcher and Cofield are on the wrong side of 30.[/quote]

Looked it up.

Kenard Lang back in 1997. First round.

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And I mean Lang as a hand in the dirt DE that stayed a DE. Not DE's we converted into LBs a la Kerrigan and Orakpo.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1097123]Looked it up.

Kenard Lang back in 1997. First round.[/quote]

I'm just going to assume that's bad.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;1097108]Get rid of Haslet and Raheem, along with everyone other coach on defense and hire Rex Ryan to fix this mess. Honestly, if Harbaugh is available hire him and let him run the team the way he wants to. I hate everyone they hire. It is all about guys that fit Snyder's stupid personality, instead of the best football mind available. We have the entire crew from some stupid ass arena football team coaching crappy players, picked using a dart board.[/quote]

BHahahaha that's a great post! Pretty sure I heard Ryan is taking a break from football, and Harbaugh wants to stay out west. But it's still true there's good HC candidates available every year and we're effing due for one.

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I had to listen to the entire game, so not only am I pissed at the results of the game, I'm pissed at having to listen to those guys stumble through a broadcast.

My questions is this, who is the "on the field" leader of the defense, or the defensive QB? I know half of our defensive starters lack talent/skills to play at this level, but is there anyone who gets what the coaching are planning? If not, the blame lays directly on the coaching staff. Someone should be able to, or at least care enough to remind the players who don't get the weekly snaps what to do. Total team failure today....except for a handful of players. Sounded like Jordan had a nice game, and Colt was throwing the ball well.

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[quote=hagams;1097133]I had to listen to the entire game, so not only am I pissed at the results of the game, I'm pissed at having to listen to those guys stumble through a broadcast.

My questions is this, who is the "on the field" leader of the defense, or the defensive QB? I know half of our defensive starters lack talent/skills to play at this level, but is there anyone who gets what the coaching are planning? If not, the blame lays directly on the coaching staff. Someone should be able to, or at least care enough to remind the players who don't get the weekly snaps what to do. Total team failure today....except for a handful of players. Sounded like Jordan had a nice game, and Colt was throwing the ball well.[/quote]

Team is missing DeAngelo Hall in a big way

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What's really frustrating is watching Amerson. Here's a high draft pick, he's suppose to be improving and he's regressing badly. Drafted player who sucking, plus missing meetings that got him benched. Wtf is wrong with these guys? Do some of them actually like football? Or do they play just for the check?

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1097123]Looked it up.

Kenard Lang back in 1997. First round.[/quote]Good teams spend high draft picks on big tough linemen on both sides of the ball. I would love a return to an identity of dominating the trenches. I remember Marty passing on future All-Pro guard Steve Hutchinson to select WR Rod Gardner in the first round, yet another bust. I'm convinced that Hutchinson, along with Samuels and Jansen entering their prime years, would have been the second coming of the Hogs.

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Soup if we had a dominating trenches offense the people on this board would complain it's not like Brady, it's not like Peyton..blah blah blah discount double check.

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1097118]Besides Jarvis Jenkins, when is the last hand in the dirt down defensive lineman we have drafted higher than the 5th round? Rounds 1 through 4?

Does anyone know?

Not anybody on our current roster.

How far back do you have to go for our last high round defensive lineman?

Hatcher and Cofield are on the wrong side of 30.[/quote]

Check out the Patriots, they drafted many first round lineman that have been great.
[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nwe/draft.htm]New England Patriots All-Time Draft History | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;1097046]I know everyone wants someone to single out and blame, but sometimes you're just not good enough across the board, top to bottom. We just suck. F this team.[/quote]

Once people just accept this, nothing else matters. Join me (and to an extent Matty) on the dark side. We are where we're meant to be. #Fate #Skinslightenment

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[quote=T.O.Killa;1097108]We have the entire crew from some stupid ass arena football team coaching crappy players, picked using a dart board.[/quote]

That could explain our situation.

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[quote=Mattyk;1097046]I know everyone wants someone to single out and blame, but sometimes you're just not good enough across the board, top to bottom. We just suck. F this team.[/quote]

We all know the true answer: It's Dan Snyder.

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I blame everyone. Bruce Allen, Jay Gruden, Jim Haslett, Raheem Morris, and every player in the secondary.

I would consider completely cleaning house.

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I don't buy the "we're just not good enough." I understand that as an answer if we're getting beat. We're not getting beat, we're completely dropping people in coverage.

In regards to the DL question, it's kinda loaded. We've taken a lot of DEs high and transitioned them, somewhat poorly, to LBs. When Orakpo was a rookie he got almost all his sacks from the 4 point stance. We have some great DEs on this team, they just got moved to LB.

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for blown coverage i blame, in equal parts:

1. haslett
2. allen (for not adding a FS and thinking adding porter for 4.5 mil was a solution)
3. our secondary players not named breeland or merriweather


our secondary and RT were huge holes going into the offseason.

our secondary and RT were huge holes coming out of the offseason.

our secondary and RT are huge holes going into the next offseason.

so of course we will add more pass rushers to solve the 2 holes.

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[QUOTE=over the mountain;1097192]for blown coverage i blame, in equal parts:



1. haslett

2. allen (for not adding a FS and thinking adding porter for 4.5 mil was a solution)

3. our secondary players not named breeland or merriweather





our secondary and RT were huge holes going into the offseason.



our secondary and RT were huge holes coming out of the offseason.



our secondary and RT are huge holes going into the next offseason.



so of course we will add more pass rushers to solve the 2 holes.[/QUOTE]


This is all so completely on point.


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