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What are the odds we get rid of both Gruden and RG3 as well as hire a GM like Bill Polan to remake the talent on this roster. It is just so clear that we need a strong football guy to come in and gut this team and rebuild from nothing.

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I think more than likely we hang onto Gruden and get rid of RG3.

I was of the group that thought RG3 should be benched and seeing what the backups could do. And over those weeks it's become clear to me that the Oline is extremely at fault for RG3's struggles. But RG3 has his own mental shit going on. He needs to be taken down several pegs, he needs to be completely off of social media and focusing 110% on fixing his QB game, which, if nothing else Gruden was right about, is very very raw.

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At this point I'd want us to consider Jim Harbaugh. He is a winner, even if it's for a short time. At least the franchise can move in the right directions. Danny could take Jim wanted the power.

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I'd be all for it. Let's have a true house cleaning. Hire a real GM, kick Allen back to team President, and let the new GM call all the shots as far as hiring a new HC and putting together a new staff.

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I'd give RG the nod over Gruden still but it's more a default position. Gruden hasn't earned anything, RG gave us 2012 and keeps his nose clean.

Doubt they both go.

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[quote=Mattyk;1098363]I'd be all for it. Let's have a true house cleaning. Hire a real GM, kick Allen back to team President, and let the new GM call all the shots as far as hiring a new HC and putting together a new staff.[/quote]

I'm with you Matty, we need to gut this thing, the entire coaching staff, RG3, hire the RIGHT GM, stock pile picks thorugh trading down, and Start over.

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That's funny here in SF we are having the same issue with Harbaugh and Kaepernick. Harbaugh was talking with Mark Davis (Raiders owner before the game) supposedly he never talks to the owner of a different team before a game and we know the raiders want him for next year. Harbaugh basically telling the 49ers management FU. Washington and SF offseason drama will be interesting, Shanahan's name has been brought up with SF as their next coach.

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The part that makes me worried is how long it took to finally get rid of Vinny Cerrato...

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There has to be a point where Danny wakes up and looks at this product (the team) and says it terrible. He has to wake up and see that the decisions HE is making is hurting this team. He needs a guy that is proven to know how to assess and acquire talent as his right hand.

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[quote=mmil12;1098372]There has to be a point where Danny wakes up and looks at this product (the team) and says it terrible. He has to wake up and see that the decisions HE is making is hurting this team. He needs a guy that is proven to know how to assess and acquire talent as his right hand.[/quote]

I hope he has now, 15 years and getting worse each year. When free tickets are available and no sellouts he will freak out.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1098368]That's funny here in SF we are having the same issue with Harbaugh and Kaepernick. Harbaugh was talking with Mark Davis (Raiders owner before the game) supposedly he never talks to the owner of a different team before a game and we know the raiders want him for next year. Harbaugh basically telling the 49ers management FU. Washington and SF offseason drama will be interesting, Shanahan's name has been brought up with SF as their next coach.[/quote]

Knowing The Skins luck Shanahan will have learned from his mistakes here and become a grwat coach again with The 49ers lol.

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;1098374]Knowing The Skins luck Shanahan will have learned from his mistakes here and become a grwat coach again with The 49ers lol.[/quote]

We could do a swap, Shanahan in SF and Harbaugh in DC.

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Jim Harbaugh isn't coming to Washington, y in the hell would anyone come to this shit hole. Honestly I think gruden is done and we Keep rg3 because Dan is too stubborn. And what gm do u guys want?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1098376]Jim Harbaugh isn't coming to Washington, y in the hell would anyone come to this shit hole. Honestly I think gruden is done and we Keep rg3 because Dan is too stubborn. And what gm do u guys want?[/quote]

Charley Casserly, Scot McCloughan (if he changes his mind), Trent Baalke would be my choices.

[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/23/seahawks-executive-scot-mccloughan-resigning-to-tend-to-personal-matters/]Seahawks executive Scot McCloughan resigning to tend to personal matters | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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I agree with SFred, but also would not mind a guy like Bill Polian. He puts winners together.

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Who is ready for this god for sakes season to end so we can get the rebuild underway?

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Polian is 71 and doing analyst work now, not sure he'd be interested in coming back to the grind.

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I could not see Polian and Snyder lasting more than a year together.

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I would say bill Parcells but he's old also which sucks. Idk balke is good so I'd like that choice.

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I think jg and RG are both here next year.

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[quote=mredskins;1098394]I think jg and RG are both here next year.[/quote]

I sincerely hope you are wrong.

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[quote=mredskins;1098394]I think jg and RG are both here next year.[/quote]

I don't see how they can be honestly.

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[quote=mredskins;1098394]I think jg and RG are both here next year.[/quote]

No way they are both here next year. I'm surprised those two are coexisting right now without trying to choke each other. RG3 is too big of an ego and Gruden is super critical of him. Either one of them or both of them walk.

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[quote=mmil12;1098382]Who is ready for this god for sakes season to end so we can get the rebuild underway?[/quote]

Been rebuilding since 91 we should have a Roman fn Empire by now. :Smoker:

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I believe Seattle is the blueprint to follow on how to build a franchise. They are loaded with talented most of their backups could be starters on other teams. How many players on our squad could be starters on other teams? Maybe 4-5 at the most that is terrible. Outside of Trent on the online no one else could be a starter anywhere else. That is unacceptable no way we can be contenders with this roster. No way we can develop talent with this roster. I honestly believe that we hinder talent more than develop it. Jason Campbell was a prime example of this IMO he had the arm, the professionalism, the work ethic, but not the roster or the patience from the owner for his potential to flourish. I see the same thing with RG3 he has been more hindered than developed.

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Gruden will be back. It would be a PR nightmare for Snyder if he fires Gruden after one year. It will look like he's siding with Griffin again. Personally the Redskins need to realize that Griffin isn't a 16 game starter and try and move him. Once they come to that conclusion then they can move on and figure out plan B.

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[quote=Mattyk;1098363]I'd be all for it. Let's have a true house cleaning. Hire a real GM, kick Allen back to team President, and let the new GM call all the shots as far as hiring a new HC and putting together a new staff.[/quote]

This. Dear god, all of this.

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[quote=mmil12;1098372]There has to be a point where Danny wakes up and looks at this product (the team) and says it terrible. He has to wake up and see that the decisions HE is making is hurting this team. He needs a guy that is proven to know how to assess and acquire talent as his right hand.[/quote]

Seeing how empty the stadium is, and hearing how cheap the tickets are selling, Snyder has to take notice now. The fastest way to promote change is stop the influx of revenue. Only then will Snyder REALLY step up and make the necessary changes.

Money>talent hasnt worked here, nor anywhere else. The sooner he realizes that the sooner the team improves and so does his own revenue.

You'd think one of the youngest millionaires to live would know this simple philosophy...

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[quote=Mattyk;1098400]I don't see how they can be honestly.[/quote]

This sounds like a great storyline for "Americas Game" 2015 Washington Redskins lol. I can hear it now

Robert: Coach man, Coach looked at me and he said I'm DONE get the footwork and reads down or don't play you have screwed this up!!!!!!!!!

Ok ok it's getting late I need to put down the gin

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Cleveland did fire Chud after one year and got a little backlash

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Why cut RG3? Let the new head coach decide what to do with him.

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I for some reason cannot see RGIII getting traded or released.

Fact is guy only played 5 or 6 games this season to say he gets coaches fired would be stretching it. One of those games he didn't even fully play. Instead of a coach that focuses on QB play or says they do how bout one thats gonna bring the beef on the offensive line? and a defensive coordinator that is as close to gregg williams as we can get without offering shit loads of money to make him our head coach like WE SHOULD OF after Joe Gibbs 2.0. We need someone on defense thats like that dude in Any Given Sunday you're afraid the guy is gonna suit up and go after you himself. If we don't revamp that line though Nobody not Robert, not Colt, Kirk, Tom Brady, Jameis Winston, whoever is gonna be successful.

Better yet why not give both of them one more year..this way you don't have to deal with all the contract BS.

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If Gruden is to survive, he needs a DC like Todd Bowles or Rod Marinelli. Both of this guys have proven to do more with less.

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Dallas' defense is still horrible, as I've been saying all season. Let's go get someone legit. Bowles, for instance...

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I have a few thoughts.

1) The reason RG III had to be taken out was not his poor play, but his throwing his teammates under the bus after a loss and (as before), not taking enough responsibility for the loss. A quarterback has to be able to say he screwed up sometimes (even if he didn't) to show he has his teammates' back.

2) All of our QBs have regressed behind this line. RG3 hasn't got his mechanics back since his injury and seems to be playing scared. Cousins started out well, but it was obvious his confidence eventually disintegrated. Colt McCoy also seems to be undergoing the same trend. I have to think this may be due to the offensive line, as I can't imagine we would have the bad luck to have 3 QBs with the same case of nerves with a semi-passable line. I'd say we've seen flashes of talent from at least 2 of the QBs. If we could hold onto them and focus on getting OL help, we may find that at least one of them works well behind a (reasonable) offensive line.

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[quote=SirLK26;1098442]Dallas' defense is still horrible, as I've been saying all season. Let's go get someone legit. Bowles, for instance...[/quote]

Didn't he sign an extension earlier this year?

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[quote=skinsfanthru&thru;1098449]Didn't he sign an extension earlier this year?[/quote]

<sigh> Yep, through 2017.

Okay, someone like Bowles then. I want a guy with a proven track record of good defenses. Not someone like Haslett who's never had a lot of success.

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Keep Gruden...he's only a rookie HC.....trade RG3 for whatever he's worth...if Allen stays as GM he needs to take a studious look at the roster and upgrade what needs to be upgraded....

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Dallas is winning because of romo Dez and Murray not because of their defense. It's still ranked like 23 or something. Skins need a complete rebuild. What's the worst that's gonna happen?? We already suck ass anyway so it doesn't matter.