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CRedskinsRule 12-26-2014 08:57 PM

What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
There are several threads dealing with possible changes that the Skins need to make once the offseason is officially under way. I know that some would want Snyder's leaving as the top change, but that isn't happening, so it's not a choice or part of any reasonable conversation.

My two major choices would be Haslett being let go, or hiring a fully competent GM.

I am still of the mind that Haslett's departure is the most critical. I know a better GM and more effective scouting department would be helpful, but our defense hasn't thrived ever under Haslett. They have had a few standout games, but they have had just as many or more stand down games. And what seems to be very real is the type of maddening Redskins defense that can hold a team down at points that the offense struggles, only to give up points once the offense seems to find a rhythm.

I also included the Fire the whole crew option, even I think it's as unrealistic as Snyder stepping down, but some may think that is what this dumpster fire squad needs.

Add your own thoughts, or weigh in on why you think one is the most important. This poll's results are public.

DynamiteRave 12-26-2014 09:08 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
We absolutely need to find a GM. Someone truly in charge of football personnel. Someone who could be called "a football guy" who gets what the Redskins need and can really get it done with guys who have talent.

Tired of trying to fit round peg guys into a square hole.

SFREDSKIN 12-26-2014 09:16 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
Agreed, Haslett gots to go and hiring a solid GM.

HailGreen28 12-26-2014 09:30 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
Hire a competent GM, who by definition fires Haslett on day 1. (Be nice, give him till end of the season, two weeks notice too, etc., but search for replacement should quietly start immediately.)

BaltimoreSkins 12-26-2014 09:53 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
Hire a GM, kind of like Green said. Plus Haslett has had a few good games which is more than I can say for Bruce.

VTSkins1961 12-26-2014 10:32 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
both but voted for haz to be fired

DynamiteRave 12-26-2014 10:33 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
I know it's late night and I'm sure many posters are out of town, with family, etc. But I'm surprised no one has voted firing Gruden.

Didn't he have a whole slew of vocal opposition here?

Bangee7 12-26-2014 11:01 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
I voted for a qualified GM. I think we still need to infuse more talent.

Honestly, I'm not informed enough to know if our Scouting Dept. is part of the problem or not, but a good GM would seriously investigate that.

FRPLG 12-26-2014 11:21 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
South of Snyder wising up and selling or backing completely away I am increasingly convinced there isn't anything that can be done to truly turn the org around.

DynamiteRave 12-27-2014 12:26 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
[quote=FRPLG;1101521]South of Snyder wising up and selling or backing completely away I am increasingly convinced there isn't anything that can be done to truly turn the org around.[/quote]

I can't see Snyder completely backing away... And being what? Just a figure head? Not likely.

REDSKINS4ever 12-27-2014 03:24 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
Hire a competent general manager....

That Guy 12-27-2014 05:37 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
you need to hit on 90% of big money free agents if you want to avoid hurting your team. so far we're one desean away from an O-fer this year. gotta be a GM.

i don't think haz is any good either though, but he did have 11 guys that went onto IR on his side of things, and his GM gave him a CB that never played a down and a slow 35year old as the answer to our DB problems. we weren't given the best chance to succeed.

also gruden insisted on making players fit his system, and not the other way around, and that's basically ALWAYS a mistake. he's a rookie though.

Paintrain 12-27-2014 07:08 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
I think all of the other options are symptoms of not having a competent GM in place.

NC_Skins 12-27-2014 11:06 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
If you hire a competent GM, it'll resolve the other issues listed. (DC/QB/etc...)

MTK 12-27-2014 11:12 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
#1 get a new GM. #2 evaluate the entire staff and make necessary changes.

Hold on to Gruden and Griffin.

skinsfaninok 12-27-2014 11:31 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
Fire Haslett Monday morning, hire a new GM and honestly I wouldn't mind hiring a new OC either.

Hog1 12-27-2014 11:47 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
I just need to know who will be on the team next year.....or two
Jersey....purchase has become a precarious undertaking

skinsfaninok 12-27-2014 11:53 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
I don't buy jerseys anymore I bought 2 RG3 jerseys his rookie yr thinking I was safe for 8 years at least but..... so now I just do shirts

Chico23231 12-27-2014 12:55 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;1101560]Fire Haslett Monday morning, hire a new GM and honestly I wouldn't mind hiring a new OC either.[/quote]

Yeah I agree with this. I think we really need to hire a qb coach, and I think it's criminal we didn't have one this year

skinsfaninok 12-27-2014 01:01 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
Makes no sense man, griffin needs a QB coach to succeed and Jay just didn't get the job done like he did with dalton. Hopefully it changes next yr

SmootSmack 12-27-2014 01:03 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
I don't know what "real GM" or "competent GM" necessarily means. I just know that the Team President and Team GM shouldn't be the same person. It's just too much for one person

So yeah they should resolve

As, if not more, important in my opinion is solving the QB issue. Trade RG3, trade Kirk, whatever. I just think they need to decide once and for all who they're going with moving forward

SirLK26 12-27-2014 02:18 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
Not having a "QB coach" isn't that big of a deal to me. Gruden was hired at least in part because of his success developing Dalton, so he's always going to be hands on, more so than a lot of head coaches with their QB. And then we have McVay, who basically serves as a QB coach along with his OC duties. How many different coaches do the QBs need?

Anyway, I think Gruden wants a big hand in developing his QBs. Not sure he would even want a QB coach.

Lotus 12-27-2014 02:24 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
[quote=SirLK26;1101590]Not having a "QB coach" isn't that big of a deal to me. Gruden was hired at least in part because of his success developing Dalton, so he's always going to be hands on, more so than a lot of head coaches with their QB. And then we have McVay, who basically serves as a QB coach along with his OC duties. How many different coaches do the QBs need?

Anyway, I think Gruden wants a big hand in developing his QBs. Not sure he would even want a QB coach.[/quote]

All year long we've suffered from poor QB play, no matter who was under center. Something needs to change there, like having a real, dedicated QB coach.

SirLK26 12-27-2014 02:30 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
[quote=Lotus;1101591]All year long we've suffered from poor QB play, no matter who was under center. Something needs to change there, like having a real, dedicated QB coach.[/quote]

But is that Gruden's fault? Maybe he just needs more time to develop these guys... if they're even worth developing. This is his first year here after all.

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea, just don't think it's necessary.

MTK 12-27-2014 02:35 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
[quote=SirLK26;1101592]But is that Gruden's fault? Maybe he just needs more time to develop these guys... if they're even worth developing. This is his first year here after all.

I wouldn't be opposed to the idea, just don't think it's necessary.[/quote]

Yeah I mean Gruden and McVay both work closely with the QBs, on Sundays you always see McVay right there with them on the bench. I don't think it's a huge thing to not have a dedicated "QB coach".

Lotus 12-27-2014 02:42 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
Well, you guys have it as you want. But given than every one of our QB's has underexcelled this year, to me the situation screams for a fix.

SmootSmack 12-27-2014 02:43 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
I think they need a QB coach. Just about every team has one except the Redskins.

Jay Gruden and Sean McVay are both "rookies" in their respective coaching positions. To add on the responsibilities and pressures they have as is with spending dedicated time with two young QBs seems like a bit too much for me.

diehardskin2982 12-27-2014 07:29 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
^ I agree, a QB coach that can focus on mechanics, go through read progression, etc. is important. Zorn made the same mistake about the QB coach thing. As the head coach you are like the CEO setting the overall strategy, you need the manage all parts. You don't have the time to focus on one position.

My dream scenario:
1. AJ Smith moves to head of scouting department VP. Fire Scott Campbell and steal Dan Morgan to be take Scott's old position. Bruce still in president role because he is a good buffer for Dan Snyder.

2. Fire Haz. spend a boat load of money to hire Kirby Smart, Ken Norton Jr., Mike Singletary, Wade Phillips, or Jim Mora Jr to be assistant HC-DC.

3. Hire a QB Coach.

4. Trade Kirk Cousins- We committed to RG3 the day we drafted him and paid a kings ransom. Gruden was hired to develop Robert. We need to commit to him and focus on making him grow as a NFL QB.

5. Build through the draft by focusing on players with a track record of success.

That Guy 12-27-2014 09:38 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
[quote=Mattyk;1101593]Yeah I mean Gruden and McVay both work closely with the QBs, on Sundays you always see McVay right there with them on the bench. I don't think it's a huge thing to not have a dedicated "QB coach".[/quote]

jay gruden disagrees with you and thinks that the redskins need a QB coach.

I think being a rookie and being the HC/OC/QB coach is just too much to juggle at once. otherwise he might have adjusted the offense to his players sooner and griffin could have had better fundamentals (notice: could, not necessarily would).


also, i don't think you can really trade kirk for much at this point, maybe a 7th or a conditional? I wish we moved him when we could have gotten a 3rd.

That Guy 12-27-2014 09:42 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
[quote=Hog1;1101562]I just need to know who will be on the team next year.....or two
Jersey....purchase has become a precarious undertaking[/quote]

that's why you only buy retired players. if you want something newer than green/monk, you can go with cooley/taylor/portis. safest bets on the team right now are kerrigan/williams, then morris.

Hog1 12-28-2014 12:06 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
good plan....

DYoungJelly 12-28-2014 03:28 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
[quote=Bangee7;1101520]I voted for a qualified GM. I think we still need to infuse more talent.

Honestly, I'm not informed enough to know if our Scouting Dept. is part of the problem or not, but a good GM would seriously investigate that.[/quote]

The most glaring comparison this season has been with us and the Cards. We were only down to our third string qb, they signed a dude waiting for a table at bww for the last few games.

We have been hit hard by injuries this year, like Arizona, but from top to bottom they have the depth to keep plugging along, while a lot of our middle rounders are inactive. Looking at you LeRibeus!

Need serious changes in our talent evaluation and front office.

DYoungJelly 12-28-2014 03:31 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
[quote=Hog1;1101562]I just need to know who will be on the team next year.....or two
Jersey....purchase has become a precarious undertaking[/quote]

Young 36 baller.

drew54 12-28-2014 11:43 AM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
Jeff Garcia.

Chico23231 12-28-2014 12:02 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000442679/article/nfl-general-manager-candidates-new-names-and-familiar-faces]NFL general manager candidates: new names and familiar faces - NFL.com[/url]

Seems like a solid list of possibilities, nice article with some gud insight

REDSKINS4ever 12-28-2014 12:38 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
They have to release the entire starting offensive line....Trent Williams is the only true quality on that line......Polumbus, Chester, and Lauvo should be replaced.....the safety positions need to be addressed too......and lastly hire a new defensive coordinator and return back to the 4-3....

WillH 12-28-2014 04:27 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
1. 4 new OL starters
2. Change the name
3. A safety

sdskinsfan2001 12-28-2014 05:10 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
Fire Allen, hire a football General Manager. Someone that knows personnel. That's what real teams do.

DynamiteRave 12-28-2014 05:22 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
[quote=Hog1;1101562]I just need to know who will be on the team next year.....or two
Jersey....purchase has become a precarious undertaking[/quote]

I'd say your 3 most safe choices are:

Williams
Kerrigan
DJax

calia 12-28-2014 05:54 PM

Re: What is the MOST important off-season change?
 
Kerrigan definitely. He isn't going anywhere and he's a class act. B


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