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Seems like it might be worthy of its own thread. I'd vote for Kerrigan, Hatcher, Breeland, Robinson, Amerson (although look for a quality starter), DHall if he comes back healthy, Murphy, Miller, Compton, Baker (to spell a better starting NT), Kearse, Way, Forbath, our long snapper whose name I cannot remember, Garçon, DJax, Grant, Reed, Morris, Helu, Redd, Williams, Lichtensteiger, Long, Moses, Cousins, and RGIII. Miller, Compton, Long, Moses, Amerson, and Cousins are development projects.

Current starters I would let go are all our our O-line, Perry Riley (sorry - zero coverage skills man), Jenkins, Cofield (good 2013 followed by an injury marred non performance in 2014), Clark, and Merriweather

Coaches to keep - Gruden, Baker, at Kotwica (teams showed enough improvement for me to think he could be ok, although it was a close call). Haskett and Morris - I've seen more than enough. Same to you Foerster and your terrible o line. No Idea about McVay but the offensive struggles make me wonder whether he became OC a few years too early.


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Haslett should go, we just need some new blood there. There hasn't been a lot of talent there but that doesn't mean he should keep his job.

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Keep the carpet, everything else at Redskins Park can go.

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[quote=Lotus;1101942]Keep the carpet, everything else at Redskins Park can go.[/quote]

The carpet can go too.

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Yep throw it in the dumpster and set it ablaze.

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Keep Robinson, Breeland, Kerrigan, Williams, and Morris. Everyone on the roster along with the coaches, staff, executives, and the owner are mediocre and unworthy of a job.

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[quote=saden1;1101946]Keep Robinson, Breeland, Kerrigan, Williams, and Morris. Everyone on the roster along with the coaches, staff, executives, and the owner are mediocre and unworthy of a job.[/quote]

DJax?

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Our punter has been awesome. We're gonna need him the next few years so I say build a team around him.

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[B][SIZE="4"] @JsteelznSkins · 51m 51 minutes ago

Say goodbye to Haz. Gruden won't fire him because of ties of past . Feels it would tough to do but bruce will fire Haz.Had 1 yr left on deal[/SIZE][/B]


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[quote=DynamiteRave;1101947]DJax?[/quote]

He is the best player on the team but without a qb you are better off trading him. If you can get a 1st and a 3rd round pick for him you do it.

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You won't get a 1st and 3rd for D-Jax and getting picks doesn't mean anything if you don't draft good players .

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[quote=skins89moss;1101961]You won't get a 1st and 3rd for D-Jax and getting picks doesn't mean anything if you don't draft good players .[/quote]

You most def could get that for him but you are right, the redskins are not competent talent evaluators.

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Coaches to keep - Kotwica (teams showed enough improvement for me to think he could be ok, although it was a close call).


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Really?
In the last 4 games the Redskins special teams has given up 2 KO recoveries, KO Fumble by Roberts, Punt Return TD and a Fake FG.
That shouldn't happen in 16 games let alone the last 4.
He needs to go too!

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[quote=saden1;1101953]He is the best player on the team but without a qb you are better off trading him. If you can get a 1st and a 3rd round pick for him you do it.[/quote]

Thats utterly ridiculous.....
WR is the only skill position we are set at.

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[quote=jamf;1101972]Really?
In the last 4 games the Redskins special teams has given up 2 KO recoveries, KO Fumble by Roberts, Punt Return TD and a Fake FG.
That shouldn't happen in 16 games let alone the last 4.
He needs to go too![/quote]

Come on, they can't let Kotwica go after 1 year. This ST is improved from last year's. We were setting all sorts of records in the bad kinda way last year and at least we're not doing that this year, which to me is an improvement.

I'd understand if we were like a 12-4 and working as a complete unit and our ST for some reason wasn't keeping up but the Redskins are like working with a stupid dog who won't follow commands and keeps pissing on your carpet; the day he decides to stop pissing on the carpet and starts pissing on the plants... well, at least its a micro improvement.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1101973]Thats utterly ridiculous.....
WR is the only skill position we are set at.[/quote]

Agree. He is a top 5 receiver in the league.

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Trading DJax is the worst idea I've heard.

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These are my keepers (I kept Helu, but would trade him and Jarvis Jenkins keep Chris Thompson) LeRibeus is on the bubble.

Amerson, Baker, Breeland, Cofield, Compton T., Compton, W., Cousins, Davis, Akeem, Forbath, Garçon, Grant,, Griffin III,Hankerson, [B]Helu[/B], Jackson, DeSean, [B]Jenkins[/B], Jarvis, Kearse, Frank, Kerrigan, Ryan, Lauvao, [B]LeRibeus[/B], Lichtensteiger, Long, Miller, Gabe, Morris, Alfred, Paul, Niles, Redd, Silas, Reed, Jordan, Robinson, Keenan, Sundberg, Nick, Thomas, Phillip, Thompson, Chris, Way, Tress, Williams, Trent, Young, Darrel, Hatcher, Jason, Hayward, Adam, Ihenacho, Duke, McCoy, Colt, Moses,Morgan, Murphy, Trent, Neild, Chris

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1101978]These are my keepers (I kept Helu, but would trade him and Jarvis Jenkins keep Chris Thompson) LeRibeus is on the bubble.

Amerson, Baker, Breeland, Cofield, Compton T., Compton, W., Cousins, Davis, Akeem, Forbath, Garçon, Grant,, Griffin III,Hankerson, [B]Helu[/B], Jackson, DeSean, [B]Jenkins[/B], Jarvis, Kearse, Frank, Kerrigan, Ryan, Lauvao, [B]LeRibeus[/B], Lichtensteiger, Long, Miller, Gabe, Morris, Alfred, Paul, Niles, Redd, Silas, Reed, Jordan, Robinson, Keenan, Sundberg, Nick, Thomas, Phillip, Thompson, Chris, Way, Tress, Williams, Trent, Young, Darrel, Hatcher, Jason, Hayward, Adam, Ihenacho, Duke, McCoy, Colt, Moses,Morgan, Murphy, Trent, Neild, Chris[/quote]

Some of those guys are no-brainers, but come on... Neild? I love Neild, love him, but he's torn his ACL in BOTH knees. If he could get the same push off the line as he had, even in 2013, after the first ACL tear, I'd be surprised.

And Hank? He'd be an upgrade over Roberts, but with Grant waiting in the wings (and who I think could be decent next season) we can't sign a good slot receiver? We're still hanging our hats fragile hips Hank?

*sigh*

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1101983]Some of those guys are no-brainers, but come on... Neild? I love Neild, love him, but he's torn his ACL in BOTH knees. If he could get the same push off the line as he had, even in 2013, after the first ACL tear, I'd be surprised.

And Hank? He'd be an upgrade over Roberts, but with Grant waiting in the wings (and who I think could be decent next season) we can't sign a good slot receiver? We're still hanging our hats fragile hips Hank?

*sigh*[/quote]

I think I have 37/38 players, you can't get rid of everybody, gotta have some bodies in there. Nield is for depth. Where are you going to get the other 15-20 players?

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We need about 10 starters to be a real threat. IF we do a good job in the OFF, we can get about half of that done this year......

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D jax,Garcon,Morris,Reed,Williams,Helu,Way,Kerrigan,Breeland,Robinson..all the rest of the players you could replace with any other teams so so players and we would not be any worse off..in truth the skins have about 12 top players on the team and no depth..until we get a real GM that knows how to draft and make smart free agency moves this team is going to be bad for many years..

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1101985]I think I have 37/38 players, you can't get rid of everybody, gotta have some bodies in there. Nield is for depth. Where are you going to get the other 15-20 players?[/quote]

Practice squad! lol they gotta be better then some of those lifeless husks they've got on the 53 man roster!

In all seriousness, I get it, Rome wasn't conquered in a day, and this is going to take at least a couple seasons of cuts, signings, drafting and development. I just hate to think that we'll end up with the some of the same worthless players next year as we have this year.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1101996]Practice squad! lol they gotta be better then some of those lifeless husks they've got on the 53 man roster!

In all seriousness, I get it, Rome wasn't conquered in a day, and this is going to take at least a couple seasons of cuts, signings, drafting and development. I just hate to think that we'll end up with the some of the same worthless players next year as we have this year.[/quote]

Unfortunately there's no easy way out. Some of our players (especially on D) could surprise under a competent DC.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1101973]Thats utterly ridiculous.....
WR is the only skill position we are set at.[/quote]

Classic cars are fun to look at but even more fun to drive. Unlike classic cars NFL receivers have a shelf-life and depreciate with time.

I hope enjoy watching Jackson try to do epic shit with basic people.

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Interesting QB Stats:

McCoy - 96.4 Rating - 91-of-128 (71.1%), 1,057yds, 4 TD, 3 INT, 17 Sacks
Griffin - 86.9 Rating - 147-of-214 (68.7%), 1,694yds, 4 TD, 6 INT, 33 Sacks
Cousins - 86.4 Rating - 126-of-204 (61.8%), 1,710yds, 10 TD, 9 INT, 8 Sacks

Sack Rates:
McCoy: 1 per 7.5 attempts (That's 67 over a full 500-attempt season)
Griffin: 1 per 6.5 attempts (77 - full season)
Cousins: 1 per 25.5 attempts (20 - full season)

TD Rates:
McCoy: 1 per 32 attempts (16 in a full season)
Griffin: 1 per 53.5 attempts (9... yes 9... in a full season)
Cousins: 1 per 20.4 attempts (25 in a full season)

Yards-per-Completion:
McCoy: 11.6yds/comp
Griffin: 11.5yds/comp
Cousins: 13.6yds/comp

INT Rates:
McCoy: 1 per 42.7 attempts (12 in full season)
Griffin: 1 per 35.7 attempts (14 in full season)
Cousins: 1 per 22.7 attempts (22 in full season)

These are crazy numbers.

Look at the sack-per-attempt numbers... They are insanely different amongst the group. What does that tell you about the QBs and their knowledge of the offense & getting the ball out?

I will say this over and over and over again... Cousins is our least stinkiest option of the 3 moving forward. Our LEAST mobile QB gets sacked at a decisively lower rate? I mean, by a WIDE margin.

Not only does he know the offense well enough to get the ball out quickly (to the WRs & TEs - Hell, he made N. Paul look All-Pro), but look at the TD numbers as well. Again, a HUGE difference in the three. To me, it was painfully clear that the Red Zone magnifies RGIII deficiencies, where there are smaller windows and decisions must be made quicker.

When you look at the chances of sack vs TD amongst the three you see that:
* McCoy was 4.3 times more likely to be sacked than throw a TD
* Griffin was 8.2 times more likely to be sacked than throw a TD
* Cousins was 1.25 times more likely to THROW A TD than be sacked!

Now look at the Yards-per-Completion ratio... Again, one of our QBs tried to consistently push the ball down field. Its WHY HE HAD THE HIGH INT Ratio! He was the only one of three given the ENTIRE playbook and route trees to throw at... meaning there were many "tougher" throws to complete for him and less "safe" bubble-screens, dump-offs, roll-outs with one to two options...

Yeah, yeah... the INTs... I do realize turnovers are huge. But, to me, moving the offense can't be handcuffed by constant "safe" throws (i.e. what our offense became to pacify Griffin's & McCoy's abilities)... Also... just a couple of years ago, for example, a QB by the name of Matthew Stafford went 2-8 as starter and finished the year, in his firs10 starts, with 10 TDs and 20 INTs (2 per game). Eli throws 15-20 per season STILL (5 in one game this year).... Peyton AVERAGED 20 INTs/season in his first 5 YEARS. I could go on and on... Remember, Cousins has least experience of all three. What sucks about this season is not only are we not sure what we have in Griffin, but we still don't know, for sure, if Cousins can mature and cut down on the picks. He proved better than the other 2 in every other way...

Anyway... It will interesting to see how the off-season goes and who will be starting at QB next year... looks like it's right back to RGIII and Cousins at backup... but when really looking at the numbers... between the three lemons we have, I know which can at least be sour AND sweet.

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Griffin 1 per 35
McCoy 1 per 42
Cousins 1 per 22


Interceptions

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[quote=saden1;1101953]He is the best player on the team but without a qb you are better off trading him. If you can get a 1st and a 3rd round pick for him you do it.[/quote]

In a GD heartbeat. Any team crazy enough to give us that is well...probably just the Raiders.

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Djax isn't going anywhere he's our best player well best skill player that is. Out best overall player is trent williams he dominated dallas yesterday like he does almost every week

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To add to the QB Numbers Breakdown:

In it's simplest form, the object of the offense is to score points. The most important thing your QB can do is help you score points. Interceptions do not automatically turn into points for the other team. I mean, we obviously know this because the Redskins haven't scored a TD after a turnover in 20 years (I exaggerate... slightly).

Anyway... here is the Points-per-QB Breakdown:

McCoy:
15.8 Points per 4 Quarters (3.94/Quarter)
16 quarters - 63 points
Double-Digit Quarters: 1
Shutout Quarters: 5

Griffin:
16.1 Points per 4 Quarters (4.04/Quarter)
28 Quarters - 113 Points
Double-Digit Quarters: 3
Shutout Quarters: 10

Cousins:
23.8 Points per 4 Quarters (5.95/Quarter)
21 Quarters - 125 Points
Double-Digit Quarters: 4
Shutout Quarters: 5

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Just came across this list of our FAs, and thought I'd post it:

Here’s a list of the Redskins' unrestricted and restricted free agents:

[U]Unrestricted[/U]:
Colt McCoy, QB
Leonard Hankerson, WR
Santana Moss, WR
Niles Paul, TE
Roy Helu, RB
Tyler Polumbus, OL
Jarvis Jenkins, DE
Chris Neild, NT
Brian Orakpo, LB
E.J. Biggers, CB
Ryan Clark, FS
Brandon Meriweather, SS

[U]Restricted[/U]:
Trenton Robinson, FS
Kai Forbath, PK
Justin Rogers, CB

For me, I'd keep Orakpo (but only with a very cap friendly deal based on playing time given his injury history), Helu, Paul, and Forbath, and I am on the fence about Hankerson (get on the field, son), Moss (love you as a Redskin -- any gas left in that tank?), and McCoy (played with heart this year). Neild is intriguing to me, but cannot stay healthy (the new Carriker), and the rest aren't core players.

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really none of those guys are super important. rak at a good deal would be nice, but it's too likely someone gets desperate and gives him money. paul and helu are worth having back if they're cheap, as is neild.

kai i think has really hurt us with his short KOs, but he IS better than a ham sandwich, so...

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I agree with all this. ^

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It's been like we let go of Hankerson already. Not a loss if we let him go.

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Why do we even keep Leonard Hankerson? I think he was active for 1 game after he came off the PUP list.

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I think we've kept Hankerson as he's our tallest receiver (and there's a desire for a possession receiver), and he's shown flashes. But he also seems to have been bitten buy the injury bug, didn't really come back 100% this season even after he was activiated from PUP, and otherwise hasn't shown consistency.

If the team continues to be high on Grant, it isn't clear we keep Hankerson (as DJax, Garcon, and Roberts aren't going anywhere). I think Hankerson may be the beneficiary of the fact that we have so many holes elsewhere that we're not likely to invest any further in WRs. If there's some rookie or cheap FA that comes available, he may get nudged. But short of that, I wouldn't be surprised to see him hang around, especially because we would likely be able to re-sign him on the cheap and he's probably #5 anyway.

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Let Scot decide.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1103766]Let Scot decide.[/quote]

New Redskins mantra: WWSD (what would Scot do?)

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Gotta love the feeling of optimism. Everyone needs to remember that this is going to take time. SM is going to need 3 solid drafts and hit on a few free agents.